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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:39 Ace wrote: The fact that people are angry at Lebron, and not the guy who tattooed the championship trophy on his biceps and believes he's actually a plane makes this even funnier when reading the comments. Did Jason Terry really try to take off from a runway? | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7222 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:39 Ace wrote: The fact that people are angry at Lebron, and not the guy who tattooed the championship trophy on his biceps and believes he's actually a plane makes this even funnier when reading the comments. JET backed it up by outplaying Lebron and winning the championship, though. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27149 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:46 ghrur wrote: Did Jason Terry really try to take off from a runway? It is quite possible that DeShawn Stevenson tried to last night. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:55 Manifesto7 wrote: It is quite possible that DeShawn Stevenson tried to last night. Alcohol man, who can resist? Lol, what a shitty way to celebrate a championship indeed. 5 hours in a jail cell. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:39 Ace wrote: The fact that people are angry at Lebron, and not the guy who tattooed the championship trophy on his biceps and believes he's actually a plane makes this even funnier when reading the comments. Difference is that Terry talked shit and then commenced backing it up with results. That, I can respect. If he wants to be an airplane after that...well good on him. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:50 NovaTheFeared wrote: JET backed it up by outplaying Lebron and winning the championship, though. Sure he did. But when the story first came out no one made a big deal about it, which is why the people saying that they dislike Lebron because he's arrogant seem fake to me. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:06 Ace wrote: Sure he did. But when the story first came out no one made a big deal about it, which is why the people saying that they dislike Lebron because he's arrogant seem fake to me. Lebron has a massive ego, we all know what he thinks about himself, he doesn't need to say it every single time. Jason Terry is a bit of an emotional shit-talker who does weird stuff to motivate himself... big difference. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On June 15 2011 06:59 slyboogie wrote: C'mon. C'mmmmmon. Please don't start spilling your morality into my sports. Did you seriously compare Lebron to a murderer? Did you just equate his television program with conceptual "evil?" What the hell? Seriously, you can hate him for being a choker or arrogant or not as good as you wanted him to be or for leaving Cleveland. That's fine. But you don't have moral high ground and you definitely don't have philosophical high ground. In better words than mine, the third best sportswriter in America: Tommy Craggs on Lebron James (not being a cocksucker.) He's absolutely right. A huge portion of sports is story-line. Lebron is the villain, because he abandoned his team after promising that he will win them a championship to go with what he though was the easy route by playing with his good pals Wade and Bosh. Do people that root against Lebron because he left Cleveland not have a moral or philosophical high ground? I dunno, he pretty much backed out on his own word... At the very least it shows a lack of character, which is a philosophical low ground. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
It's people hating him for fake reasons. I don't believe a TV special and some trash talk could really make people hate any athlete to this degree. Maybe some people genuinely don't like him and I'd bet those are the people that didn't like him when everyone else was crowning him The King and calling him The Chosen One before July 2010. ETA: And what the hell is this easy route talk? There isn't an easy route to winning a championship. Stop recycling media buzz words and use your head. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
But if you ever play pickup with a bunch of really talented guys, you don't have to dominate every single game. I'm sure the Heat practice hard, but you don't feel you have to take it to the next level and torture yourself when they have each other. Though I don't think people should take for granted the borderline obsessive effort some of the players put in. No matter how gifted you are, it takes a lot out of you to keep yourself on that edge. Jordan had to internalize every loss and every insult and magnify it in his mind to push himself that hard. And Jordan retired twice after championships, during his 6th title run he realized he couldn't keep itup. People really shouldn't take being that competitive for granted. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:23 Ace wrote: k but before this year, when everyone was giving Lebron praise to unseen levels why wasn't this a big deal? It's the same people that have put him into this god-mode that are now calling for his head. It was OK before he made The Decision but now it's a character flaw? What was once confidence is now arrogance. What was once "just a little quip" is now believing he's better than others. It's people hating him for fake reasons. I don't believe a TV special and some trash talk could really make people hate any athlete to this degree. Maybe some people genuinely don't like him and I'd bet those are the people that didn't like him when everyone else was crowning him The King and calling him The Chosen One before July 2010. Um... no. Before the decision the attitude was that the self-alleged king got swept in the finals, which people ignored, and QUIT in his series against Boston last year. Literally quit, and he was scrutinized and criticized for it heavily, and this was all before "The Decision." After the decision he became a traitor. Then after that he had that party in Miami where he promised them not 1 not 2 not ... Championships, and said that it would be EASY to go out there and play basketball against other teams, because now he had Dwyane Wade to play against in practice... suggesting that he was expecting himself to become even better, when in reality he has become a worse player, or at least a much less of an impact player since he got to Miami. I was never sold on him, and the more I saw his attitude on and off the court the less I liked him. I remember how he treated that kid last year in the playoffs against the bulls. I also remember him dancing on the sidelines like he was in his living room. I remember him making plays that were absurd travels and denying it that they were while claiming that he has reviewed the game-tapes. I remember him talking about himself in third person during press conferences, while acting like a little bitch. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
You do sound like a puppet though. Lebron didn't quit in that Celtics series as much as he looked down right exhausted. Did you actually WATCH the game? It's amazing how one guy can call Lebron a quitter (Simmons), 3 major sports sites piggyback it (ESPN, Yahoo, CBS Sports) and people take it as gospel. What proof do you have that Lebron actually quit? Give me a breakdown of those games possession by possession. "After the decision he became a traitor" No he didn't. He exercised his right to be a Free Agent. He was a fool for going on TV and doing it the way he did, but he isn't a traitor. "Then after that party he had in Miami..." Stop right there. HE didn't have that. The Miami Heat organization threw a welcome party for their 3 stars for the fans of Miami. Why does that make you mad? It wasn't for you. Mind your business. They've said countless times it was a celebration for the Miami Heat fans and it was thrown in MIAMI. It's in their right to do it. Once again - get informed. He was a moron for claiming he'd win a couple of championships. He got caught up in the moment. But using that as some kind of justification to say "Look! He's a dick! I told you!" is pretty blase. There's a fine line between arrogance and confidence and the problem is with Lebron we don't know which side he's on and it seems he doesn't either. Where did Lebron say it would be easy to go out there and beat other teams? Or did he say it would be easier than his days in Cleveland? Do you have evidence of Lebron saying this? And how is it a bad thing to claim playing against Wade in practice would make his life easier? That isn't false. You do know in the 2008 Olympics and the 2010 Worlds that every player on those teams that came back the next year had INSANE seasons right? He wasn't lying about that. It's pretty common knowledge and, really just common sense. Being on a Starcraft forum this shouldn't be infuriating. He expected himself to become better, and he did. He played like shit in the Finals but that doesn't erase what he did for the other 10 months of the season. No idea that something like "Lebron doing something to some kid in the playoffs against the Bulls" could get you so upset. But keep on posting. It is interesting to see people that sound like they've read article by Woj and Simmons for the last 3 years get upset. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:23 Ace wrote: k but before this year, when everyone was giving Lebron praise to unseen levels why wasn't this a big deal? It's the same people that have put him into this god-mode that are now calling for his head. It was OK before he made The Decision but now it's a character flaw? What was once confidence is now arrogance. What was once "just a little quip" is now believing he's better than others. It's people hating him for fake reasons. I don't believe a TV special and some trash talk could really make people hate any athlete to this degree. Maybe some people genuinely don't like him and I'd bet those are the people that didn't like him when everyone else was crowning him The King and calling him The Chosen One before July 2010. ETA: And what the hell is this easy route talk? There isn't an easy route to winning a championship. Stop recycling media buzz words and use your head. What does "fake reasons" even mean? Sports fans judge athletes based on what they see on the court, interviews, off-court behavior, and other extraneous information they gather about them. Based on this, Lebron comes off to many people as an egomaniac child who is yet to prove himself. This is not a "fake" reason to dislike him. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:49 OneOther wrote: What does "fake reasons" even mean? Sports fans judge athletes based on what they see on the court, interviews, off-court behavior, and other extraneous information they gather about them. Based on this, Lebron comes off to many people as an egomaniac child who is yet to prove himself. This is not a "fake" reason to dislike him. It's fake because before July 2010 when Lebron was shielded by the very media that put him on this pedestal nothing bad about him could be said. People didn't believe any bad thing said about Lebron. Now all of a sudden within one year where all he's done is be arrogant it causes this much vitriol? I don't buy it. Fans are just hating just for the sake of hating someone because it's "the thing" to do right now and are convincing themselves that "hey, yea this guy really is a dick!" for the most mundane of reasons. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:23 Kiarip wrote: He's absolutely right. A huge portion of sports is story-line. Lebron is the villain, because he abandoned his team after promising that he will win them a championship to go with what he though was the easy route by playing with his good pals Wade and Bosh. Do people that root against Lebron because he left Cleveland not have a moral or philosophical high ground? I dunno, he pretty much backed out on his own word... At the very least it shows a lack of character, which is a philosophical low ground. I don't think you read Craggs correctly there, unless you are referring gostunv. Lebron is labor - he exercised labor's hard earned right of free agency. This means that once his contract expired, his original team did not claim any rights to his services beyond that contract. Lebron took his agency and made a decision(haha.) Clearly it was unpopular, but what did Lebron owe the City of Cleveland or even the Cavaliers? He never promised to return devotion. He never asked explicitly for affection. No, he was King James before the decision and the crowds roared for him. He was the Chosen One before getting drafted by the Cavaliers in 2003 and the media marveled at him. That is what Craggs (and also Ace) is saying - he shattered our illusion, he broke our false narrative of the unselfish, Magic/Jordan Hybrid, second coming, basketball messiah - and we hate him for it. We've been fooling ourselves all along. All Lebron James did was go along with it. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:53 Ace wrote: It's fake because before July 2010 when Lebron was shielded by the very media that put him on this pedestal nothing bad about him could be said. People didn't believe any bad thing said about Lebron. Now all of a sudden within one year where all he's done is be arrogant it causes this much vitriol? I don't buy it. Fans are just hating just for the sake of hating someone because it's "the thing" to do right now and are convincing themselves that "hey, yea this guy really is a dick!" for the most mundane of reasons. I agree with you to a minimal extent. I think your case applies to two types of people: people who had neutral opinion on LeBron and casual fans who don't know much about basketball. The media is indeed painting LeBron as a villain, which might have caused these people to "hate" LeBron. I am not sure if this changes anything about his problems though. He really needs to change and take a hard look at himself before fans start supporting him again. I respect him as an athlete, but not one bit as a person. It's hard to separate the two ESPECIALLY when he's not walking the talk. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:59 Southlight wrote: Ever since he was on the cover of ESPN and having his games broadcast and commentated on ESPN (while in High School) he's been a raging center of controversy. I have no idea where you think he was on an untouchable pedestal, ever. Not really. What kind of controversy has Lebron been in before? Pre 2010, especially before the play offs the media gave Lebron the benefit of the doubt with everything. They were the ones that hyped fans up to believe Lebron was unstoppable, even with the never ending Kobe Bryant comparisons. And now it's these same jerkoffs leading hate wagon because it's the popular thing to do right now. It's just sad that people KNOW this is how the media works and they still fall for it. On June 16 2011 08:59 OneOther wrote: I agree with you to a minimal extent. I think your case applies to two types of people: people who had neutral opinion on LeBron and casual fans who don't know much about basketball. The media is indeed painting LeBron as a villain, which might have caused these people to "hate" LeBron. I am not sure if this changes anything about his problems though. He really needs to change and take a hard look at himself before fans start supporting him again. I respect him as an athlete, but not one bit as a person. It's hard to separate the two ESPECIALLY when he's not walking the talk. I agree he does need to change. Even if he claims (which I dont believe) that he doesn't care what people think about him, acting like he does would be one way to stem the tide of negativity against him. Then again he could try and be like Kobe and just say whatever (because I think Kobe really doesn't care). The casual fan is the one that seems to have a very high hatred of Lebron. Just speaking from my experience, my mother who used to watch basketball and stopped after MJ retired has a huge hatred for Lebron. I asked her why and it was "because he left Cleveland". She couldn't even tell me anything else that happened within the last 5 years that went into him leaving. The casual fan, just like the casual voter is a dangerous person  On June 16 2011 08:59 slyboogie wrote: I don't think you read Craggs correctly there, unless you are referring gostunv. Lebron is labor - he exercised labor's hard earned right of free agency. This means that once his contract expired, his original team did not claim any rights to his services beyond that contract. Lebron took his agency and made a decision(haha.) Clearly it was unpopular, but what did Lebron owe the City of Cleveland or even the Cavaliers? He never promised to return devotion. He never asked explicitly for affection. No, he was King James before the decision and the crowds roared for him. He was the Chosen One before getting drafted by the Cavaliers in 2003 and the media marveled at him. That is what Craggs (and also Ace) is saying - he shattered our illusion, he broke our false narrative of the unselfish, Magic/Jordan Hybrid, second coming, basketball messiah - and we hate him for it. We've been fooling ourselves all along. All Lebron James did was go along with it. Bingo. Right on the money. The signs were there all along and people are actually upset that the story didn't end the way they wanted it to even when Lebron himself said they were reading the wrong book. | ||
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:12 Kiarip wrote: Lebron has a massive ego, we all know what he thinks about himself, he doesn't need to say it every single time. Jason Terry is a bit of an emotional shit-talker who does weird stuff to motivate himself... big difference. Lebron is spoiled by media and fans because of his talent that lead to his super massive egoistic personality. You know what he said when text a college player try to recruit him to his sports agency? + Show Spoiler + YO THIS IS KING JAMES | ||
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