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United States22883 Posts
On June 14 2011 16:24 Z3kk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:54 tiffany wrote:On June 14 2011 13:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:![[image loading]](http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/27/2766f19acee732ec0ca77130a499d7b7/.jpg) how to buy Macy's clearly doesn't understand that almost everyone is a mavs fan over the heat ;D Though perhaps they had both versions readied? They put in the ads ahead of time, the newspaper just fucked up.
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On June 14 2011 14:09 Brees wrote: I just enjoy how lebron trolls the media repeatedly and they never seem to catch on.
.. it's because when you troll the media they make a fortune playing your comments en infinitum, and a billion more having other people vomit all over your comments on camera. If you care about your image at all it's really not a good idea.
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On June 14 2011 21:17 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 16:24 Z3kk wrote:On June 14 2011 14:54 tiffany wrote:On June 14 2011 13:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:![[image loading]](http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/27/2766f19acee732ec0ca77130a499d7b7/.jpg) how to buy Macy's clearly doesn't understand that almost everyone is a mavs fan over the heat ;D Though perhaps they had both versions readied? They put in the ads ahead of time, the newspaper just fucked up.
The fuck up is that Miami couldn't have even won the series on Sunday night.
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On June 14 2011 16:47 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 12:43 gostunv wrote:On June 14 2011 06:13 igotmyown wrote:
So for most people who hate Lebron for his image of arrogance, they deserve Lebron's words. Your words are void of any true meaning or feeling, so go back to your lives while Lebron gets another chance next year. But for Williams who felt betrayed and abandoned and marginalized, that's the real humanity that makes me love the fake world of sports. good job on trying to be a white knight. how is our words of "hate" void of any true meaning? are you our shrink? you think we just said that to be cool? lol why dont you take a moment to actually think why people hate arrogant-doucie celebrities and people in general. With the internet and a lot of fans being as polarized as they are, they tend to assume that someone who is neutral/doesn't care is against them (because you're not with us?). That doesn't make me "good" in any way. Why would you care that much that a complete stranger that you've never met seems like a prideful person? Why is it so important to so many people to act as the police force for arrogance? Lebron is not your friend, he's not your coworker, he's not a neighbor. Why do you care at all what Lebron says or does, and just as his arrogance is his problem, isn't the fact that you want to hate him your problem? I mean, most of us probably care as fans of basketball. We want to see the best players at their best against each other. If Lebron's arrogance pissed off his teammates and made them play worse, that's something fans of basketball would and should care about. But apparently they love the guy. If he has some mental flaw in his preparation, that's something I would agonize over if I were his fan. And if I were a fan of the other team, I would be, well, grateful for his flaw. I haven't thought this completely, through, but as a fan of basketball, I might chuckle at weird off the court stuff (like Artest), but overall I don't care unless it affects the game or criminally bad. How he reacts to a defense that takes away what he's best at is interesting. How he'll respond to that in the future is interesting. The rest isn't important to me.
allright here ill spell it out for you.
if we hear about a complete stranger getting murdered most people will hope that the murderer will be brought to justice. why? because they think that is the correct flow of events that should occur when something "bad" happens.
now obviously Lebron being an arrogant-douche is far FAR below a murderer. However the parallels are the same. people need to hold onto the belief that when something "bad" happens, in this case Lebron being a douche and doing Cleveland wrong, in the end "good" will prevail. Thats why people care about things that dont really matter on a personal level at all. Justice must be universal or their faith in it will be tested.
Usually being a douche is quite trivial but when you are a celebrity shit gets magnified by x9000.
Of course Im pretty sure most people who do hate on Lebron have never thought out their hate like that but yeah.
There is also the other camp of haters who hate on Lebron because he is pissing his god-like natural talent away by going Houdini in the Finals. But thats another analysis for another time.
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On June 15 2011 04:20 gostunv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 16:47 igotmyown wrote:On June 14 2011 12:43 gostunv wrote:On June 14 2011 06:13 igotmyown wrote:
So for most people who hate Lebron for his image of arrogance, they deserve Lebron's words. Your words are void of any true meaning or feeling, so go back to your lives while Lebron gets another chance next year. But for Williams who felt betrayed and abandoned and marginalized, that's the real humanity that makes me love the fake world of sports. good job on trying to be a white knight. how is our words of "hate" void of any true meaning? are you our shrink? you think we just said that to be cool? lol why dont you take a moment to actually think why people hate arrogant-doucie celebrities and people in general. With the internet and a lot of fans being as polarized as they are, they tend to assume that someone who is neutral/doesn't care is against them (because you're not with us?). That doesn't make me "good" in any way. Why would you care that much that a complete stranger that you've never met seems like a prideful person? Why is it so important to so many people to act as the police force for arrogance? Lebron is not your friend, he's not your coworker, he's not a neighbor. Why do you care at all what Lebron says or does, and just as his arrogance is his problem, isn't the fact that you want to hate him your problem? I mean, most of us probably care as fans of basketball. We want to see the best players at their best against each other. If Lebron's arrogance pissed off his teammates and made them play worse, that's something fans of basketball would and should care about. But apparently they love the guy. If he has some mental flaw in his preparation, that's something I would agonize over if I were his fan. And if I were a fan of the other team, I would be, well, grateful for his flaw. I haven't thought this completely, through, but as a fan of basketball, I might chuckle at weird off the court stuff (like Artest), but overall I don't care unless it affects the game or criminally bad. How he reacts to a defense that takes away what he's best at is interesting. How he'll respond to that in the future is interesting. The rest isn't important to me. allright here ill spell it out for you. if we hear about a complete stranger getting murdered most people will hope that the murderer will be brought to justice. why? because they think that is the correct flow of events that should occur when something "bad" happens. now obviously Lebron being an arrogant-douche is far FAR below a murderer. However the parallels are the same. people need to hold onto the belief that when something "bad" happens, in this case Lebron being a douche and doing Cleveland wrong, in the end "good" will prevail. Thats why people care about things that dont really matter on a personal level at all. Justice must be universal or their faith in it will be tested. Usually being a douche is quite trivial but when you are a celebrity shit gets magnified by x9000. Of course Im pretty sure most people who do hate on Lebron have never thought out their hate like that but yeah. There is also the other camp of haters who hate on Lebron because he is pissing his god-like natural talent away by going Houdini in the Finals. But thats another analysis for another time.
C'mon. C'mmmmmon. Please don't start spilling your morality into my sports. Did you seriously compare Lebron to a murderer? Did you just equate his television program with conceptual "evil?" What the hell? Seriously, you can hate him for being a choker or arrogant or not as good as you wanted him to be or for leaving Cleveland. That's fine. But you don't have moral high ground and you definitely don't have philosophical high ground.
In better words than mine, the third best sportswriter in America: Tommy Craggs on Lebron James (not being a cocksucker.)
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On June 14 2011 16:47 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 12:43 gostunv wrote:On June 14 2011 06:13 igotmyown wrote:
So for most people who hate Lebron for his image of arrogance, they deserve Lebron's words. Your words are void of any true meaning or feeling, so go back to your lives while Lebron gets another chance next year. But for Williams who felt betrayed and abandoned and marginalized, that's the real humanity that makes me love the fake world of sports. good job on trying to be a white knight. how is our words of "hate" void of any true meaning? are you our shrink? you think we just said that to be cool? lol why dont you take a moment to actually think why people hate arrogant-doucie celebrities and people in general. With the internet and a lot of fans being as polarized as they are, they tend to assume that someone who is neutral/doesn't care is against them (because you're not with us?). That doesn't make me "good" in any way. Why would you care that much that a complete stranger that you've never met seems like a prideful person? Why is it so important to so many people to act as the police force for arrogance? Lebron is not your friend, he's not your coworker, he's not a neighbor. Why do you care at all what Lebron says or does, and just as his arrogance is his problem, isn't the fact that you want to hate him your problem? I mean, most of us probably care as fans of basketball. We want to see the best players at their best against each other. If Lebron's arrogance pissed off his teammates and made them play worse, that's something fans of basketball would and should care about. But apparently they love the guy. If he has some mental flaw in his preparation, that's something I would agonize over if I were his fan. And if I were a fan of the other team, I would be, well, grateful for his flaw. I haven't thought this completely, through, but as a fan of basketball, I might chuckle at weird off the court stuff (like Artest), but overall I don't care unless it affects the game or criminally bad. How he reacts to a defense that takes away what he's best at is interesting. How he'll respond to that in the future is interesting. The rest isn't important to me.
Why did the French get angry when Marie Antoinette allegedly say "let them eat cake"? You can try to act all high and mighty but you're railing against basic human behavior. People don't like arrogant douchebags and it's part of our evolutionary makeup.
Why do people cheer against Lebron James? For the same reason we laughed when that chick on her cell phone fell flat into a mall's water fountain. For the same reason we cheered when a serial texter got kicked out of a movie theater then had her phone rant used as a PSA about not using cell phones while inside. For the same reason we nodded in approval when a guy who honked at and cut off cars at an intersection got rammed by the incoming fire truck that all the other cars stopped for.
Humans are social beings. It's how we evolved. It's how we survived. We learned to be empathetic to the people these arrogant nitwits have bothered. At the same time, we learned to despise those who act like they are too good for other people and act like they don't care about other people. Our DNA is hardwired to find joy whenever some oblivious, arrogant twit who thinks they are so much better than the rest of us gets their comeuppance. We find joy when people who break social mores don't get away with it. It's the reason people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett who have 100x Lebron's net worth don't act like he does.
It's not that Lebron's so-called haters have problems. It's more that his white knights are missing something that is one of the core things that makes us humans.
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Pretty sure the French didnt get angry when Marie Antoinette allegedly said "let them eat cake" since, well she didnt, and is an common urban myth of todays times. In fact, there wasnt even a famine while she was holding courtship, there was a few bread shortages, but the peasants definitely had enough to eat during her reign as queen.
Btw, its not DNA thats hardwiring, but our culture, our culture supposedly looks down on those things (well socialist culture does), our genes have nothing to do with empathy, thats purely an emotional byproduct of our society.
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This whole LeBrons james hate business has gotten to a very awkward level...
"Evil" athletes should be fun to hate... this kinda hate is just some odd meat-head venting session over a dude who left the shit hole that is cleveland.
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Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are much more arrogant than Lebron. In fact Lebron isn't even arrogant at all imo. He is just being defensive because all year long he's been getting flak for every little thing. People are talking about his FAMILY on a daily basis.
Lebron is and always will be a much more down to earth athlete than most. That is the great thing and the flaw about Lebron - he speaks his mind and acts normal. The media loves and hates athletes that dont give them canned responses and hide behind their PR guys.
So saying he's a douche or whatever just shows you yourself don't have the capacity to understand what's going on in terms of the bigger picture. So while you may think he's being a dick in the end he's still much more aware than you are. So who's the idiot now?
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I could care less about this LeBron business and who is the most arrogant player.
But I know that I will not root for a person that has a tattoo on his back that says "CHOSEN 1". To say that someone like that is a more down to earth athlete than other guys with big egos... sorry, but I don't buy it.
edit: And with this post I am a mutalisk, liked my lurker though -.-
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Haha well there's little denying that MJ is without a doubt the most arrogant douche to ever play in the NBA. Luckily for him he was the best player ever, so it kinda slides.
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@Danny J and thats the problem. The fact that winning a basketball game allows you to bypass doucheism is head scratching media trait.
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On June 15 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are much more arrogant than Lebron. In fact Lebron isn't even arrogant at all imo. He is just being defensive because all year long he's been getting flak for every little thing. People are talking about his FAMILY on a daily basis.
Lebron is and always will be a much more down to earth athlete than most. That is the great thing and the flaw about Lebron - he speaks his mind and acts normal. The media loves and hates athletes that dont give them canned responses and hide behind their PR guys.
So saying he's a douche or whatever just shows you yourself don't have the capacity to understand what's going on in terms of the bigger picture. So while you may think he's being a dick in the end he's still much more aware than you are. So who's the idiot now?
Would a down to earth athlete have had "The Decision" take place during their free agency? No. One of the reasons I don't like Lebron. I liked him when he was in Cleveland but ever since he went to Miami, I lost a lot of my respect for him ESPECIALLY after the Decision. Unnecessary and arrogant.
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it didn't even go to game 7, made me sad.
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On June 15 2011 07:49 Ace wrote: @Danny J and thats the problem. The fact that winning a basketball game allows you to bypass doucheism is head scratching media trait.
Well, LeBron also sticks his foot in his mouth far too much, which is a primary source of media attention.
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MJ was and is a complete douche but he has 6 rings.. Lebron has no excuse to be a douchebag although I do agree that the scrutiny Lebron faces is a bit much.. I still hate him though
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On June 15 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are much more arrogant than Lebron. In fact Lebron isn't even arrogant at all imo. He is just being defensive because all year long he's been getting flak for every little thing. People are talking about his FAMILY on a daily basis.
Lebron is and always will be a much more down to earth athlete than most. That is the great thing and the flaw about Lebron - he speaks his mind and acts normal. The media loves and hates athletes that dont give them canned responses and hide behind their PR guys.
So saying he's a douche or whatever just shows you yourself don't have the capacity to understand what's going on in terms of the bigger picture. So while you may think he's being a dick in the end he's still much more aware than you are. So who's the idiot now?
There's some truth to what you're saying here, LeBron is not so much a jackass as he is a victim of being a child star, of having been told for 12 years he's the greatest of all time and that time alone will prove it out, that everyone loves him (which was pretty much true up until The Decision). The reason he's so widely loathed now is much the same as the reason Vick was/is, LeBron's just fortunate the people who have had their hooks in him since high school haven't been engaged in any grotesque felonious enterprises (that we're aware of).
Herein lies the real danger, though. How much "Don't worry LeBron, glory will find you out" is he going to hear over the next 3 months? He has 8 full NBA seasons under his belt now and the meter is definitely running on good ol' down to earth "King James".
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Claiming "Lebron is not arrogant at all" is fucking ridiculous. Are you kidding yourself? What Kobe and MJ are like changes nothing about Lebron. The Decision? The Chosen One? @KingJames? Dynasty of seven championships? What the fuck. People like to hate on him more because his ego makes him act all nonchalant about losing or what the public says (stop acting like you don't care about your image, Lebron, we clearly know you do and you have admitted so before, too) and there's a huge disconnect between how he acts and what fans want to see/hear. Now, I agree with above sentiments that he's not a complete dick. He's actually a nice guy. He's not the type to be this "villain of the NBA." But he acts like an arrogant, yet insecure child who just can't get over himself. Show some humility. Maybe start by not talking about other people's crappy lives and problems. Look, I want him to succeed and reach his full potential because I personally think he's the greatest athlete we have ever seen in basketball. But I am never going to be his fan unless he grows up and acts like a matured champion he wants to be, regardless of how much he wins in basketball. At least prove yourself you act like a God-sent darling of basketball.
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Lebron held a summer camp at UCSD in San Diego California in my Sophomore year of university. The complete and general resolution that all the camp staff and even the ~10year old students came to was that lebron is a huge fucking jackass. In the dining halls he reserved the entire upper floor of the hall to himself and put his security guards at the stairs so that no one could go up. he reserved an entire 2 full basketball courts for himself at RIMAC when he was only using one basket. He blocked off the entire inner circle of the weight room so that no one else could use 1/2 the weight room but him. He repeatedly told 8-10 year old kids to GTFO ('go away kid', 'get lost', 'cant you see i'm busy?').
No title. No heart. No respect. Lebron James is a egomaniac and a jackass. Anyone who would try to argue against that should really try actually getting to see his actions first hand before they attempt to.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
I laugh everytime some one brings up the idea that the decision was even remotely Lebron's idea.
"yo guys I want to have a one hour special on TV about this and this is how its gonna go down"
lol delusional.
big names used this stunt as a source of money to be gained from lots of viewers watching this shit, when they give you the money to do it, its kinda hard to just be like nah i dont want free money.
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