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Malinor
Germany4755 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:36 Retric wrote: hopefully germany appreciates now what dirk achieved over the last years, he never was sportsman of the year in germany, always some soccer players or shitty skiers. It will be him or Vettel (if he wins the WC) this year, everything else would be a travesty. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
ok admittedly the Phoenix team was really good, but the Lakers were on their way out, and Portland wasn't great at any rate. | ||
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shmay
United States1091 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:12 Judicator wrote: It matters...very little. Not on the big stage, and especially after a championship or 2. The difference here is that when Kobe goes after a championship, people take it as getting there through with hard work and perseverance; he stayed in LA despite the bitterness, lost in the Finals to Boston as a Laker, then came back with some focus and determination reminiscent of Jordan to take 2 championships. Lebron on the other hand...bows out of the playoffs twice with one of the more notorious ways in recent memory during his last season with the Cavs. Then comes out prancing and dancing in Miami promising a dynasty and a championship. He talked too much and his team paid for it early in the season with every little thing being psycho-analyzed. Then he talked again in these Finals saying how it was the biggest games of his life and promptly...did not deliver...on his home court. You get to the point where you wonder if he has the mental mindset to get through to a championship. Kobe ousted Shaq and drove Phil to retirement, then asked to be traded a few years later, which would have gone through had anyone really wanted him. Lebron actually played fairly decently this last finals game, certainly than Kobe did in his. Dirk is a better counter example to Lebron. Clearly a classy guy and has stuck with his team through thick and thin. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:43 Kiarip wrote: ok admittedly the Phoenix team was really good, but the Lakers were on their way out, and Portland wasn't great at any rate. The Lakers weren't "on their way out" until Jordan showed them the door. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:43 Kiarip wrote: ok admittedly the Phoenix team was really good, but the Lakers were on their way out, and Portland wasn't great at any rate. Portland was really good, they were just the worst crunch-time team in the history of the league (multiply these Heat by 10). | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:00 Judicator wrote: Kobe won. Lebron loses. Kobe doesn't have Bosh and Wade; Artest stepped up for Kobe last year; Kobe hit an important shot at the end of the game 7; Lebron turned the ball over. Lastly, Kobe has rings, Lebron does not. Of course, Lebron can erase all of this if he wins next year, but it stinks that much more given how he exited the playoffs the previous two years. As bad as Kobe played in the Finals last year I always said I gave him credit for putting it all out there no matter what. With Lebron I never get that feeling. He never gave me the impression that he HAD to win. Kobe did. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:44 shmay wrote: Kobe ousted Shaq and drove Phil to retirement, then asked to be traded a few years later, which would have gone through had anyone really wanted him. Lebron actually played fairly decently this last finals game, certainly than Kobe did in his. Dirk is a better counter example to Lebron. Clearly a classy guy and has stuck with his team through thick and thin. Kobe pulled in 18 rebounds in game 6 last year when his shot wasn't falling. James pulled in 4 tonight, even though he's normally a better rebounder than Kobe. Miami also outscored Dallas by 14 points in the 8 minutes his ass was on the bench. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On June 13 2011 12:46 cLutZ wrote: The Lakers weren't "on their way out" until Jordan showed them the door. Father time showed them the door | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
And the Heat just looked brilliant when Chalmers/Wade/Bosh were on the floor. LeBron needs to learn to mesh with those guys some more - it's not the Cleveland Show anymore. | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On June 13 2011 13:00 Ace wrote: Yea I'm not a big fan of +/- but the numbers are startling. I think Wade, Bosh and Chalmers hade huge + numbers and Lebron's was devastating. Indeed...I'm a fan of players before teams (hehe probably just me), and supported the heat mostly because Wade/James were on it lol... (i.e. I'm fan of Khan only because of stork ><) Poor kid...the world must be weighing down on him now...he left Cavs because he wanted a title, formed a semi-dream team on the Heat, everyone thought the Heat would take a while to settle in, the Heat instead got all the way to the Finals, yet they ended up losing to the Mavs, and James was a big part of the reason they lost...whatever legacy he had before must have been hit pretty hard...media is going to roast him alive T.T | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 13 2011 13:00 Ace wrote: Yea I'm not a big fan of +/- but the numbers are startling. I think Wade, Bosh and Chalmers hade huge + numbers and Lebron's was devastating. I actually thought Bosh played really well throughout the playoffs, probably the Heat's most consistent player. His stock was really low during the regular season, but in the playoffs we saw why big men who can score are so valuable. This season Bosh worked on his game to fit in on the Heat. Wade and James did not, they still have the same games as when they were rookies, just a bit improved: Out your head down and leverage your superior athleticism then throw up a shot and hope for a call. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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mavsfan0041
United States306 Posts
GO MAVERICKS!!!!!!!!!! Sorry had to get that out of my system. Good night everyone. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 13 2011 13:08 Kazius wrote: Congratulations to the Mavs, well deserved. Kidd winning a championship fixed one of the greatest travesties of the NBA for the last decade. Dirk as well. Those guys played a team game, with a lot of heart, a ton of brains, and astounding resilience. And the Heat just looked brilliant when Chalmers/Wade/Bosh were on the floor. LeBron needs to learn to mesh with those guys some more - it's not the Cleveland Show anymore. I'm SO glad Jason Kidd got a ring. The amount of times he was left out of "top players" conversations was astounding. This guy made Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson All-Stars and went up against the juggernaut Western Powers in the Finals. Just goes to show that scoring isn't the only thing that makes you a great player. As for Lebron I'm a bit torn on him. Every single game this series he played passive. Like I could understand 1 or 2 games of laid back ball, but he really just didn't show the killer instinct like Wade did. I don't put as much into the "will to win" as others since it's a very rare thing for superstars but he worries me. Even Mario Chalmers seemed to want it more than he did. On June 13 2011 13:11 Z3kk wrote: Indeed...I'm a fan of players before teams (hehe probably just me), and supported the heat mostly because Wade/James were on it lol... (i.e. I'm fan of Khan only because of stork ><) Poor kid...the world must be weighing down on him now...he left Cavs because he wanted a title, formed a semi-dream team on the Heat, everyone thought the Heat would take a while to settle in, the Heat instead got all the way to the Finals, yet they ended up losing to the Mavs, and James was a big part of the reason they lost...whatever legacy he had before must have been hit pretty hard...media is going to roast him alive T.T Well they will roast him. But if he wins? Almost all will be forgotten. Look at Kobe before 08 and Dirk after 07. They were brutalized in the media. Win and people leave you alone. Even though Lebron caught a lot of flack I don't think it's on the level of hate MJ got before he won his first title. On June 13 2011 13:12 cLutZ wrote: I actually thought Bosh played really well throughout the playoffs, probably the Heat's most consistent player. His stock was really low during the regular season, but in the playoffs we saw why big men who can score are so valuable. This season Bosh worked on his game to fit in on the Heat. Wade and James did not, they still have the same games as when they were rookies, just a bit improved: Out your head down and leverage your superior athleticism then throw up a shot and hope for a call. Bosh was off and on, with Wade being their most consistent player in every series except vs Chicago. Bosh's defense was under rated, but some of his decisions on offense were mind boggling. With Brian Cardinal or Ian Mahini on you, you just have to go to the rack. I still think you're misreading Wade and James games. Neither of them even look like their rookie selves, especially Lebron who shoots a lot more jumpers. Wade also plays lots of back door and sneaking in the paint where as in his rookie and sophmore years he was just a slasher. His 3rd year he got a mid range game and that was the end of that. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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