NBA Playoffs (2010-2011) - Page 139

On May 27 2011 15:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Why would I be mad that you called them floppers? I think they're smart for doing it, and I'd say the same for any NBA player. Anyone who pretends to be some honorable player is making excuses for why he's not making the big defensive plays and why he is clearly inferior in the #1 goal: to win. Flopping is when you notice there is enough contact in the player you're the primary defender on to sell a charge, even if you're strong enough in position to stay on your feet. Some flops are more obvious than others but almost everytime you see a guy slide back on the floor after taking a charge, this is clearly a flop. Derek Rose has done this, although not as much because there aren't as many players that he covers at the PG that charge..

On May 27 2011 16:15 Ace wrote:
I don't like it all. But it's not cheating and not disrespectful when the league encourages it. I don't agree with you that Wade and James do it a lot because Manu and Derrick Fisher are so potent at it they just don't compare.

It's ridiculous but when guys are trying to win and the refs reward it well how can you fault them?

On May 28 2011 00:07 Seeker wrote:


The current Lakers? Lol, no. They need some sort of huge reformatting on their team, or they won't even make it into the playoffs next season.

Because the Heat are going very strong right now, I doubt we'll see Lakers vs Heat NBA Finals anytime soon, unless something major happens for the Lakers next year

On May 28 2011 00:25 Seeker wrote:


Eh, okay. Stating that the Lakers will not even make it into the playoffs may be exaggerating. But, I doubt they'll go anywhere near the finals unless they get a reformat.

On May 28 2011 00:19 CTStalker wrote:

that's not flopping bro, that's just selling a charge. still slimy, but not as bad as outright flopping.

flopping is like what lebron did last night: d-rose swings for the ball, gets air, lebron reels back like anderson silva just front kicked him to the face.

the nba already rescinds technical fouls and flagrants after the game if they catch a flop. they really should start dishing out fines too, though


this is the same logic that the guy in the states used when he won the lottery, yet still collected food stamps because the law had a silly loophole.

everyone knows flopping is disgraceful, and "doing what it takes to win" is a bullshit cop-out. both the players and the league are at fault. only thing that will fix it is to start handing out 50K fines for flops.

On May 27 2011 20:53 RowdierBob wrote:
So if you're Chicago's GM, do you make any moves to put the team over the line next year (assuming no lock out)?

On May 28 2011 03:15 slyboogie wrote:


If we assume the CBA doesn't radically reshape the economics of the NBA in the 2011-2012 season, we can say that the salary cap will be something slightly higher than 2010-2011's $58.044 million. Unfortunately for Chicago, they will be at $60.7 next year - and they'll have to give Derrick Rose his, much deserved, extension - so cap relief probably won't be coming anytime soon. Deng, Boozer, Noah and Rose will all be making around $15 million, give or take, for the next couple of years.

Bull's Salaries

The real move here? Try to move Luol Deng. He's only signed to 2014 at about $12 million a season, his stock has been much higher since the playoffs and the Bulls may be able to pull a guard that can play off of Derrick Rose and also be a playmaker when Rose isn't on the court.

They can try Deng for Stephen Jackson and Shaun Livingston? Or...Deng for Beasley and Webster probably not a great idea)? Something like that. I dunno, it's a team philosophy thing. If I was the Bulls, I'd just try it again with this team, without any major changes.

On May 28 2011 03:28 travis wrote:
TBH taking a charge when you know it's coming is pretty badass and I think it's definitely worth celebrating.

On May 28 2011 03:35 MassHysteria wrote:


All the bulls need is one more guy that can hit a goddammed shot. Otherwise they're a near perfect team as they are constructed and if they can keep this core will be a force for the next 5 years or so.
I think Stephen Jackson would be a good addition for the Bulls team but I hadn't thought of trading Deng, but I could see it working under the right circumstance. I do think they need an upgrade at shooting guard definitely, whether they trade some players to get that or however. I think they are probably counting on Boozer also to be able to gain a little bounce on his step back.

On May 28 2011 07:04 matko5 wrote:
Why do people keep saying that Dwyane Wade's 4 point play in the fourth is not a foul? Rose got into his landing zone, isn't that a foul?

On May 28 2011 07:04 matko5 wrote:
Why do people keep saying that Dwyane Wade's 4 point play in the fourth is not a foul? Rose got into his landing zone, isn't that a foul?

On May 28 2011 10:12 scaban84 wrote:
I enjoyed that article. Thats what I've been arguing the past few months but I never thought of the Karl Malone comparison.
Rose's regular season production combined with his work ethic and intensity got him the mvp. He missed 1 game and willed his team to so many victories. While Lebron is obviously the greater player. He sat out quite a few regular season games for no apparent reason; he is a playoff-minded player and you can't blame him for that...But. Can you really crown an MVP who cares more about his brand than actually playing basketball?

As for the flopping discussion. The Heat without a doubt have done some serious flopping this series. It made me realize that so much of Wade's game is in fact, drawing the foul. People enjoy Rose's game more because he actually wants to put the ball in the basket on a play and not just draw the foul. This is also a big part of the reason why his FG% is terrible. Remember fouls don't count against your FG% like they used to.

This makes for much better highlights incidentally...

Every Wade Highlight is some uncontested layup or dunk. Rose is 6 '2 and regularly dunks on defenders including the 6'11 Joel Anthony. It reminds me of the 90's mentality where guys attacked the basket and happened to get fouled, as opposed to the current mentality where players think first about drawing the foul.

I apologize to all you Wade fans. But many of us in Chicago don't respect Wade's game. A guy who thought that he was so cute that he would wear a different colored bandage every day on his cheek strikes me as someone who is way too image/brand obsessed to be in the same hall as legendary basketball players.