On July 31 2011 22:54 Aristodemus wrote: Great drive by Jens, that battle with Lewis was awesome when it started raining again. Shame for Hamilton though, two bad calls and a harsh penalty cost him dearly. Alonso should have beaten Vettel too but for a bad call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Very entertaining GP.
Alonso shouldn't have beaten anybody. The only reason he was in spitting distance of Vettel was a bad call for Vettel. The only reason he beat Hamilton and Webber were bad calls for them.
Alonso spent way too much time on off-circuit cartography.
I dont agree with that, he was much faster than Webber all day. Maybe you have a point about Vettel staying out a lap too late but it was much less of a mistake than not fitting primes.
Oh yeah, anyone wanna talk about Hamilton's penalty? I don't like it. He spun the car perfectly and left enough room to be passed, sure there was no way for the other driver to know that, but making another driver think he needs to leave the track is a harsh thing to penalise for. Maybe It was closer than I thought?
You can't perform a spin like that if the way isn't free. The German commentators instantly said that he could get punished for it.
I think it was harsh, but I can agree with why they did it.
On July 31 2011 23:47 Klive5ive wrote: The championship has been over for a LONG time; I wish they'd just stop talking about it.
I disagree with that completally. The championship was starting to come alive, yeah Vettel had a HUGE lead but RB was falling behind in pace and Vettel was starting to crack.
Last season even towards the end (korea) they had reliability problems... I'm of the opinion that if Vettel finished outside the top 5 today and Lewis had won with Alonso 2nd the championship was more than up for grabs.
But with Vettel getting a 2nd today I do now think that there is no chance of anyone beating him.
On July 31 2011 23:42 Lachrymose wrote: It's impossible to talk to you.
"Actually it was how I said. Simple as that."
"Alonso was faster, except for when he wasn't faster, but there was a reason he wasn't faster, so actually he was faster"
Maybe, in the phases he was faster than Webber there were reasons for that too? Maybe that magically doesn't count too? :O
But I guess that Webber was going to beat him but for the rain actually just proves how unlucky Alonso was not to beat Vettel as well like you say. Especially with all that going off the track and spinning.
He was faster, I cant see how you interpret it any other way. You really cant accept it I guess. Anyone watching from a neutral point of view can see that.
On July 31 2011 23:47 Klive5ive wrote: The championship has been over for a LONG time; I wish they'd just stop talking about it.
I disagree with that completally. The championship was starting to come alive, yeah Vettel had a HUGE lead but RB was falling behind in pace and Vettel was starting to crack.
Last season even towards the end (korea) they had reliability problems... I'm of the opinion that if Vettel finished outside the top 5 today and Lewis had won with Alonso 2nd the championship was more than up for grabs.
But with Vettel getting a 2nd today I do now think that there is no chance of anyone beating him.
It's not going to rain every race until the end of the season. Wishful thinking only goes so far!
On July 31 2011 23:47 Klive5ive wrote: The championship has been over for a LONG time; I wish they'd just stop talking about it.
I disagree with that completally. The championship was starting to come alive, yeah Vettel had a HUGE lead but RB was falling behind in pace and Vettel was starting to crack.
Last season even towards the end (korea) they had reliability problems... I'm of the opinion that if Vettel finished outside the top 5 today and Lewis had won with Alonso 2nd the championship was more than up for grabs.
But with Vettel getting a 2nd today I do now think that there is no chance of anyone beating him.
It's not going to rain every race until the end of the season. Wishful thinking only goes so far!
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In the last two races the McLarens have been faster or equal to the RBs in the dry. Lewis had P1 in quali but lost it due to a mistake, they have the pace and have caught RB, as have Ferrari.
It's just also happens to be that McLaren also have to two best wet drivers out there.
The McLarens perform well under "not so hot" conditions. Thats a reason why they were pretty good the last two races. They have caught up to RB but if todays weather had been like it was in Hungary in the past, RB would have had an advantage. At least thats my opinion
On August 01 2011 00:10 RmpL wrote: The McLarens perform well under "not so hot" conditions. Thats a reason why they were pretty good the last two races. They have caught up to RB but if todays weather had been like it was in Hungary in the past, RB would have had an advantage. At least thats my opinion
Fully agree, but I think they will be strong in Spa again as its a track that traditionally suits their cars.
Congratulations to Button for an amazing 200th race! Hamilton had some bad luck but he still proved how fast he can be, Vettel is just ridiculously consistent though, 4th is his worst result this season and that was the only time he wasn't on the podium. Alonso showed once more that he can be in the running but things didn't quite go his way again. Good work from Paul Di Resta getting his best result so far with P7.
Heidfeld's car catching fire and exploding was pretty nuts, partially blocking the end of the pit lane too lol.
Heys guys, seen as we are in the break I thought I would bring up some issues you can share opinions on.
1. The greatest track left on the calendar is at risk. Spa is being touted as an alternate race with a new French GP. How do you feel about this? http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7093338/-Belgium-and-France-to-alternate-races- My opinion is pretty clear, Spa, Monaco, Silverstone and Monza should ALWAYS have a place in the calendar. They are F1 to me. 2. Gilles Simon is leaving the FIA engine regulation to join a new manufacturer (Pure), basically he has intimate knowledge of every engine on the grid. Is this fair or even ethical? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93499 I think he should have a two year (atleast) cooldown if he wishes to work privately in F1. It is unfair to the teams who spend millions in development to have this technology "stolen". 3. Pirelli have confirmed they have offered to provide a qualifying tyre like in the 80's starting next year and are awaiting feedback from the teams and the FIA. Thoughts? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93716 I would love this! Will make qualifying more of a unique skill, and is the reason Senna was and is regarded as the GOAT. Personally I would keep it the same as now but give two sets of qualifying tyres to those who make it to the top ten. Then we would see a real pole shootout instead of drivers not wanting to ruin race tyres. 4. Pirelli also confirmed they will not use the hard tyre this season. Ferrari must be ecstatic with this news, McLaren not so much. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93680
Now its back on the same weekend as MLG UFC and premiership football, so much action this weekend im glad its a bank holiday over here in England so i can take it all in xD
Hamilton Button Vettell
is my prediction for the weekends race, Mclarens finally looking strong!
On August 26 2011 17:29 Noam wrote: Shameless bump
I am very excited for the race this weekend, I can't handle these long breaks anymore.
Aristodemus, thanks a lot for that post! Any other F1 news worth sharing?
Your welcome As for other news it is a little light due to the holiday. Bruno Senna has replaced Nick Heidfeld in the Renault for Spa and is suing the team over it in response. He believes he has a solid contract. I guess this means he will be out of the car forever now as they will not want him back. Its a shame I feel for him as he has outperformed Raikonnen, Webber and held his own against Kubica in his career but never recieved the credit he deserved. As for Kubica, he should be able to start to test an F1 car in a couple of months apparently. I think he wont be in a race seat until next year but we may see him on a friday this season. Fingers crossed on that.
Oh wow that was a long break; hopefully we haven't lost all this year's F1-newcomers from this thread because if there is one race that is worth watching then it's frikkin Spa. A traditional and historical track that is being driven in the short variant, but is still by far the longest track in the whole circuit with over 7km. It's corners are horrifyingly amazing, and it is fast. As in, really fast. 30seconds flat-out sections, that Pouhon double left is just scary, and the Eau Rouge is the ultimate demonstration of insanity: It doesn't look like it on the TV, but from some angles you can figure it out: It goes 18% (EIGHTEEN PERCENT) uphill. If you stand in front of it, it looks like a damn wall. Whereas other racing series go through with 150-180 km/h, here it's made clear why F1 is the pinnacle of racing technology: 300, flat. Once again, let the Brits and Germans battle it out on Belgian soil. Oh snap. Clarkson meme.