EPTFormula 1 - 2011 - Page 36
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Sazchu
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RowdierBob
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
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Aristodemus
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RowdierBob
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:54 Aristodemus wrote: Great drive by Jens, that battle with Lewis was awesome when it started raining again. Shame for Hamilton though, two bad calls and a harsh penalty cost him dearly. Alonso should have beaten Vettel too but for a bad call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Very entertaining GP. Personally I think the only "bad" call was the second set of softer tyres when the other front runners (button, vettel etc) went onto the hard tyres. The intermediate call was literally the only possible chance to salvage a race win by taking a risk at that point, cos button was right behind him on tyres that would make it to the end of the race whereas Hamilton's wouldn't | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:54 Aristodemus wrote: Great drive by Jens, that battle with Lewis was awesome when it started raining again. Shame for Hamilton though, two bad calls and a harsh penalty cost him dearly. Alonso should have beaten Vettel too but for a bad call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Very entertaining GP. Alonso shouldn't have beaten anybody. The only reason he was in spitting distance of Vettel was a bad call for Vettel. The only reason he beat Hamilton and Webber were bad calls for them. Alonso spent way too much time on off-circuit cartography. | ||
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
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RiZaeL
Spain43 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:45 NikonTC wrote: I'm a McLaren fan first and foremost, so I'm happy for Button to win the race if Hamilton can't, but I wish people, Button included, wouldn't rate these "tyre choice decisions" so highly. When the reality is the only reason Button makes these seemingly crazy calls that come good is because he has no chance of winning the race if he doesn't take a risk, he has essentially nothing to lose by taking the risk because there are literally no conditions, or stages within a race where he can be said to be faster than Lewis.. Button did not make any crazy calls, Hamilton did though. Putting intermediate tyres when the forecasts announce rain for only 10 minutes IS pretty risky. It's a shame, because Hamilton did an amazing job (again). | ||
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GadZ
Germany7 Posts
On July 31 2011 21:53 Sazchu wrote: Seems like the fire started in the pit when they put him down after putting on the tires, unlucky track guy getting hit there when something exploded on the car (tire?) Heidfeld said on german TV that the pit stop took a long time and that led to the car heating up (wtf?). He hoped it would cool down once he started driving again, apparently that happens sometimes. Obviously it didnt this time ... | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:02 RiZaeL wrote: Button did not make any crazy calls, Hamilton did though. Putting intermediate tyres when the forecasts announce rain for only 10 minutes IS pretty risky. It's a shame, because Hamilton did an amazing job (again). Like I said in my post above though, the intermediate call was pretty much the only way to try and win the race. The damage was done when it turned out due to track conditions that the 3 stop was faster than the 4 stop. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:05 GadZ wrote: Heidfeld said on german TV that the pit stop took a long time and that led to the car heating up (wtf?). He hoped it would cool down once he started driving again, apparently that happens sometimes. Obviously it didnt this time ... F1 cars don't have any fans or anything. They rely on air passing through the car for cooling; they heat up quickly while stationary. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:00 Lachrymose wrote: Alonso shouldn't have beaten anybody. The only reason he was in spitting distance of Vettel was a bad call for Vettel. The only reason he beat Hamilton and Webber were bad calls for them. Alonso spent way too much time on off-circuit cartography. I dont agree with that, he was much faster than Webber all day. Maybe you have a point about Vettel staying out a lap too late but it was much less of a mistake than not fitting primes. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:12 Aristodemus wrote: I dont agree with that, he was much faster than Webber all day. Maybe you have a point about Vettel staying out a lap too late but it was much less of a mistake than not fitting primes. By all day you're perhaps refering to when Webber passed him? Or when Alonso passed Webber on pit-stop strategy? Or When Alonso was on options and Webber was on primes? Yeah, Alonso was faster in some phases of the GP, but he would not have passed Webber without going on the options. There was no chance for him to get back on the primes and retain his position. Oh yeah, anyone wanna talk about Hamilton's penalty? I don't like it. He spun the car perfectly and left enough room to be passed, sure there was no way for the other driver to know that, but making another driver think he needs to leave the track is a harsh thing to penalise for. Maybe It was closer than I thought? I guess the one thing is you can't really encourage such a thing because if a driver attempts that and does screw it up and the other driver drives assuming he wont there will be a serious accident. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
It's a shame, maybe next year. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:22 Lachrymose wrote: By all day you're perhaps refering to when Webber passed him? Or when Alonso passed Webber on pit-stop strategy? Or When Alonso was on options and Webber was on primes? Yeah, Alonso was faster in some phases of the GP, but he would not have passed Webber without going on the options. There was no chance for him to get back on the primes and retain his position. Oh yeah, anyone wanna talk about Hamilton's penalty? I don't like it. He spun the car perfectly and left enough room to be passed, sure there was no way for the other driver to know that, but making another driver think he needs to leave the track is a harsh thing to penalise for. Maybe It was closer than I thought? I guess the one thing is you can't really encourage such a thing because if a driver attempts that and does screw it up and the other driver drives assuming he wont there will be a serious accident. It was probally fair... you can't force cars off the track, and he'd already lost the race. And Lewis is the stuards fav driver so I wasn't surprised. Drivers like Lewis never have stuards opinions go in there favor. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:22 Lachrymose wrote: By all day you're perhaps refering to when Webber passed him? Or when Alonso passed Webber on pit-stop strategy? Or When Alonso was on options and Webber was on primes? Yeah, Alonso was faster in some phases of the GP, but he would not have passed Webber without going on the options. There was no chance for him to get back on the primes and retain his position. Oh yeah, anyone wanna talk about Hamilton's penalty? I don't like it. He spun the car perfectly and left enough room to be passed, sure there was no way for the other driver to know that, but making another driver think he needs to leave the track is a harsh thing to penalise for. Maybe It was closer than I thought? I guess the one thing is you can't really encourage such a thing because if a driver attempts that and does screw it up and the other driver drives assuming he wont there will be a serious accident. He was passed because of Ferrari's tyre warming issues. He was just faster today, simple as that. As for the penalty, well I have said before I dont like this culture of penalties for almost everything that happens on track. The incident itself he was going to force all three cars off the track if he remained stationary.I dont think it should have been punished, but I wonder why Vettel wasnt punished for going purple (by more than 1sec in s2) while he went off track. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
"Actually it was how I said. Simple as that." "Alonso was faster, except for when he wasn't faster, but there was a reason he wasn't faster, so actually he was faster" Maybe, in the phases he was faster than Webber there were reasons for that too? Maybe that magically doesn't count too? :O But I guess that Webber was going to beat him but for the rain actually just proves how unlucky Alonso was not to beat Vettel as well like you say. Especially with all that going off the track and spinning. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:22 Lachrymose wrote: Oh yeah, anyone wanna talk about Hamilton's penalty? I don't like it. He spun the car perfectly and left enough room to be passed, sure there was no way for the other driver to know that, but making another driver think he needs to leave the track is a harsh thing to penalise for. Maybe It was closer than I thought? You can't perform a spin like that if the way isn't free. The German commentators instantly said that he could get punished for it. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Today was about a really interesting race and a really good drive by Jensen. Somehow he found some really good pace today and found the best strategy too; he also made a really nice pass on Vettel during the rainy phase to secure the win. Alonso struggled today, the comment by Jensen as they were setting up for the podium was classic "what happened to you?".... Alonso replies "Traffic!" Little bit of trolling by Jensen I reckon. As for Hamilton; his race was over when they decided to put the Super Softs on. The BBC commentators got it dead wrong when they kept going on about the choice to go onto Inters... it was irrelevant by that point. The SS wasn't working in the conditions, he had no gap and he had to pit again. Maybe could've fought for 3rd but even that's debatable. | ||
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