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RxN
Profile Joined May 2010
United States255 Posts
July 24 2011 18:54 GMT
#661
Great race by Hamilton today.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
July 24 2011 18:54 GMT
#662
Red Bull has a really fast car, qualification proves it. It's also pretty clear that their race pace is very good (but not quite as good as quali pace). The issue with Red Bull is that they don't have the top speed of the other teams. Looking at the speed trap data from the qualifications, only HRT and Lotus had a slower speed!
Red Bull just doesn't have a good car to make a comeback. They are fast, but at the wrong moment. They can always catch up the drivers that are in front of them but they have a hard time passing them, since they always lose grounds in the straights.
As for Vettel, it would have been stupid for him to risk a DNF just for 2 points. It was smart of him to be patient, just like Rocky said. I'm curious to see if he will bounce back from a "poor" performance next week.
thebigdonkey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States354 Posts
July 25 2011 03:31 GMT
#663
On July 25 2011 01:51 baldgye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 01:14 vdale wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:12 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:10 vdale wrote:
On July 24 2011 23:48 EliteReplay wrote:
im the only one wait for vettel to do an overtaking? and when he does is in the pitlane? lol
Vettel just know how to drive from pole nothing else.

Hamilton is the real driver here, Hello hamilton haters :D


Maybe Vettel thinks that the only possibility to lose the title is to take risks and crash into someone. I think the end of the race proved him right.

Additional to that McLaren (and Ferrari) are faster in a straight line and that's the safer place to overtake someone.


I think he'll probally do a Button to win the Championship

Every smart driver would do a Button to win a Championship, if it's possible.


every smart driver would have an amazing start thanks to having the fastest car and then fade around the mid point of the season due to pressure ?

I think every smart driver would like to do a Schuy and just win it asap


When Button won his championship, Brawn didn't have the budget to develop throughout the season like the other teams. That's why he faded. Not because of any "pressure".
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
July 25 2011 03:44 GMT
#664
On July 25 2011 12:31 thebigdonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 01:51 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:14 vdale wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:12 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:10 vdale wrote:
On July 24 2011 23:48 EliteReplay wrote:
im the only one wait for vettel to do an overtaking? and when he does is in the pitlane? lol
Vettel just know how to drive from pole nothing else.

Hamilton is the real driver here, Hello hamilton haters :D


Maybe Vettel thinks that the only possibility to lose the title is to take risks and crash into someone. I think the end of the race proved him right.

Additional to that McLaren (and Ferrari) are faster in a straight line and that's the safer place to overtake someone.


I think he'll probally do a Button to win the Championship

Every smart driver would do a Button to win a Championship, if it's possible.


every smart driver would have an amazing start thanks to having the fastest car and then fade around the mid point of the season due to pressure ?

I think every smart driver would like to do a Schuy and just win it asap


When Button won his championship, Brawn didn't have the budget to develop throughout the season like the other teams. That's why he faded. Not because of any "pressure".

While it is true that the Brawn faded, he was thoroughly out-performed by Barrichello in the second half of the season. He felt the pressure, it is only natural, Button himself admitted as much.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Fishraper
Profile Joined August 2010
United States69 Posts
July 25 2011 05:15 GMT
#665
That was Alonso's race, the pit crew handed it to him, but he failed to put the car in position. I'm not an Alonso fan by any means, but that was his race, imo.
If you're not first, you're last.
thebigdonkey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States354 Posts
July 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#666
On July 25 2011 14:15 Fishraper wrote:
That was Alonso's race, the pit crew handed it to him, but he failed to put the car in position. I'm not an Alonso fan by any means, but that was his race, imo.


It seemed like Ferrari was struggling a little bit in the cooler temperatures. What surprised me the most was Hamilton's pace on the hard tire. I expected when he went onto them that it would be a struggle, but he was just flying.
Otak
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom110 Posts
July 27 2011 21:28 GMT
#667
On July 27 2011 07:56 thebigdonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 14:15 Fishraper wrote:
That was Alonso's race, the pit crew handed it to him, but he failed to put the car in position. I'm not an Alonso fan by any means, but that was his race, imo.


It seemed like Ferrari was struggling a little bit in the cooler temperatures. What surprised me the most was Hamilton's pace on the hard tire. I expected when he went onto them that it would be a struggle, but he was just flying.



Yeah I agree I was very apprehensive as Lewis came into the pits to go onto the hard tyres. Thought it might have been another of those situations where Mclaren threw it away on strategy again... Luckily that wasn't the case!
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
July 27 2011 21:43 GMT
#668
On July 28 2011 06:28 Otak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 07:56 thebigdonkey wrote:
On July 25 2011 14:15 Fishraper wrote:
That was Alonso's race, the pit crew handed it to him, but he failed to put the car in position. I'm not an Alonso fan by any means, but that was his race, imo.


It seemed like Ferrari was struggling a little bit in the cooler temperatures. What surprised me the most was Hamilton's pace on the hard tire. I expected when he went onto them that it would be a struggle, but he was just flying.



Yeah I agree I was very apprehensive as Lewis came into the pits to go onto the hard tyres. Thought it might have been another of those situations where Mclaren threw it away on strategy again... Luckily that wasn't the case!

Once Petrov was going green there were no worries. It wasnt a risk. Red Bull and Ferrari called it wrong trying to save the tyres.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
July 27 2011 21:55 GMT
#669
On July 25 2011 12:44 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 12:31 thebigdonkey wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:51 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:14 vdale wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:12 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:10 vdale wrote:
On July 24 2011 23:48 EliteReplay wrote:
im the only one wait for vettel to do an overtaking? and when he does is in the pitlane? lol
Vettel just know how to drive from pole nothing else.

Hamilton is the real driver here, Hello hamilton haters :D


Maybe Vettel thinks that the only possibility to lose the title is to take risks and crash into someone. I think the end of the race proved him right.

Additional to that McLaren (and Ferrari) are faster in a straight line and that's the safer place to overtake someone.


I think he'll probally do a Button to win the Championship

Every smart driver would do a Button to win a Championship, if it's possible.


every smart driver would have an amazing start thanks to having the fastest car and then fade around the mid point of the season due to pressure ?

I think every smart driver would like to do a Schuy and just win it asap


When Button won his championship, Brawn didn't have the budget to develop throughout the season like the other teams. That's why he faded. Not because of any "pressure".


While it is true that the Brawn faded, he was thoroughly out-performed by Barrichello in the second half of the season. He felt the pressure, it is only natural, Button himself admitted as much.


While i wont disagree with you saying button felt pressure. However saying he was thoroughly out-performed by barichello is incorrect.

If we take Germany as being the half way point in the season the finishes between jenson button and rubens barichello were

Button 5th 7th 7th retirement 2nd 5th 8th 5th 3rd
Barrichello 6th 10th 1st 7th 1st 6th 7th 8th 4th

in the 2nd half of 2009

Jenson finished ahead of Rubens 5 times
Rubens finished ahead of Jenson 4 times (including the retirement)
I'm in the bubblewrap league ... i just keep getting popped
RiZaeL
Profile Joined June 2007
Spain43 Posts
July 28 2011 07:32 GMT
#670
Taking unnecessary risk when you've got a pretty secure championship? Hi Lewis 2007.

Vettel MUST not take any risks, just qualify in a good position, end the race in the best position he can (again, without taking risks) and he'll be fine.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 11:18:07
July 28 2011 11:16 GMT
#671
On July 28 2011 06:55 Archybaldie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 12:44 Aristodemus wrote:
On July 25 2011 12:31 thebigdonkey wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:51 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:14 vdale wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:12 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:10 vdale wrote:
On July 24 2011 23:48 EliteReplay wrote:
im the only one wait for vettel to do an overtaking? and when he does is in the pitlane? lol
Vettel just know how to drive from pole nothing else.

Hamilton is the real driver here, Hello hamilton haters :D


Maybe Vettel thinks that the only possibility to lose the title is to take risks and crash into someone. I think the end of the race proved him right.

Additional to that McLaren (and Ferrari) are faster in a straight line and that's the safer place to overtake someone.


I think he'll probally do a Button to win the Championship

Every smart driver would do a Button to win a Championship, if it's possible.


every smart driver would have an amazing start thanks to having the fastest car and then fade around the mid point of the season due to pressure ?

I think every smart driver would like to do a Schuy and just win it asap


When Button won his championship, Brawn didn't have the budget to develop throughout the season like the other teams. That's why he faded. Not because of any "pressure".


While it is true that the Brawn faded, he was thoroughly out-performed by Barrichello in the second half of the season. He felt the pressure, it is only natural, Button himself admitted as much.


While i wont disagree with you saying button felt pressure. However saying he was thoroughly out-performed by barichello is incorrect.

If we take Germany as being the half way point in the season the finishes between jenson button and rubens barichello were

Button 5th 7th 7th retirement 2nd 5th 8th 5th 3rd
Barrichello 6th 10th 1st 7th 1st 6th 7th 8th 4th

in the 2nd half of 2009

Jenson finished ahead of Rubens 5 times
Rubens finished ahead of Jenson 4 times (including the retirement)

Well there was a bit of fortune behind that, Barrichello had none but was consistently the faster Brawn. In Germany he had a pit stop problem, Spa he fell to the back at the start, Singapore he took a penalty, as he did at Suzuka and in Brazil he got a puncture at the end. He also was ahead 36 points to 34 despite all this. Button on the other hand had perfect reliability and his only misfortune was when Grosjean took him out in Belgium. I am not bashing Button here just saying it as I see it. All in all he deserved his title and his race in Brazil was superb.

Edit: To the guy above, that was McLarens call in China not Lewis' but I agree it was foolish.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
RiZaeL
Profile Joined June 2007
Spain43 Posts
July 28 2011 13:21 GMT
#672
On July 28 2011 20:16 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 06:55 Archybaldie wrote:
On July 25 2011 12:44 Aristodemus wrote:
On July 25 2011 12:31 thebigdonkey wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:51 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:14 vdale wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:12 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:10 vdale wrote:
On July 24 2011 23:48 EliteReplay wrote:
im the only one wait for vettel to do an overtaking? and when he does is in the pitlane? lol
Vettel just know how to drive from pole nothing else.

Hamilton is the real driver here, Hello hamilton haters :D


Maybe Vettel thinks that the only possibility to lose the title is to take risks and crash into someone. I think the end of the race proved him right.

Additional to that McLaren (and Ferrari) are faster in a straight line and that's the safer place to overtake someone.


I think he'll probally do a Button to win the Championship

Every smart driver would do a Button to win a Championship, if it's possible.


every smart driver would have an amazing start thanks to having the fastest car and then fade around the mid point of the season due to pressure ?

I think every smart driver would like to do a Schuy and just win it asap


When Button won his championship, Brawn didn't have the budget to develop throughout the season like the other teams. That's why he faded. Not because of any "pressure".


While it is true that the Brawn faded, he was thoroughly out-performed by Barrichello in the second half of the season. He felt the pressure, it is only natural, Button himself admitted as much.


While i wont disagree with you saying button felt pressure. However saying he was thoroughly out-performed by barichello is incorrect.

If we take Germany as being the half way point in the season the finishes between jenson button and rubens barichello were

Button 5th 7th 7th retirement 2nd 5th 8th 5th 3rd
Barrichello 6th 10th 1st 7th 1st 6th 7th 8th 4th

in the 2nd half of 2009

Jenson finished ahead of Rubens 5 times
Rubens finished ahead of Jenson 4 times (including the retirement)

Well there was a bit of fortune behind that, Barrichello had none but was consistently the faster Brawn. In Germany he had a pit stop problem, Spa he fell to the back at the start, Singapore he took a penalty, as he did at Suzuka and in Brazil he got a puncture at the end. He also was ahead 36 points to 34 despite all this. Button on the other hand had perfect reliability and his only misfortune was when Grosjean took him out in Belgium. I am not bashing Button here just saying it as I see it. All in all he deserved his title and his race in Brazil was superb.

Edit: To the guy above, that was McLarens call in China not Lewis' but I agree it was foolish.


I meant Lewis' aggressiveness in Brazil, but yeah, it was not his fault entirely (McLaren did not handle that situation intelligently).
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
July 28 2011 14:01 GMT
#673
On July 28 2011 22:21 RiZaeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 20:16 Aristodemus wrote:
On July 28 2011 06:55 Archybaldie wrote:
On July 25 2011 12:44 Aristodemus wrote:
On July 25 2011 12:31 thebigdonkey wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:51 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:14 vdale wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:12 baldgye wrote:
On July 25 2011 01:10 vdale wrote:
On July 24 2011 23:48 EliteReplay wrote:
im the only one wait for vettel to do an overtaking? and when he does is in the pitlane? lol
Vettel just know how to drive from pole nothing else.

Hamilton is the real driver here, Hello hamilton haters :D


Maybe Vettel thinks that the only possibility to lose the title is to take risks and crash into someone. I think the end of the race proved him right.

Additional to that McLaren (and Ferrari) are faster in a straight line and that's the safer place to overtake someone.


I think he'll probally do a Button to win the Championship

Every smart driver would do a Button to win a Championship, if it's possible.


every smart driver would have an amazing start thanks to having the fastest car and then fade around the mid point of the season due to pressure ?

I think every smart driver would like to do a Schuy and just win it asap


When Button won his championship, Brawn didn't have the budget to develop throughout the season like the other teams. That's why he faded. Not because of any "pressure".


While it is true that the Brawn faded, he was thoroughly out-performed by Barrichello in the second half of the season. He felt the pressure, it is only natural, Button himself admitted as much.


While i wont disagree with you saying button felt pressure. However saying he was thoroughly out-performed by barichello is incorrect.

If we take Germany as being the half way point in the season the finishes between jenson button and rubens barichello were

Button 5th 7th 7th retirement 2nd 5th 8th 5th 3rd
Barrichello 6th 10th 1st 7th 1st 6th 7th 8th 4th

in the 2nd half of 2009

Jenson finished ahead of Rubens 5 times
Rubens finished ahead of Jenson 4 times (including the retirement)

Well there was a bit of fortune behind that, Barrichello had none but was consistently the faster Brawn. In Germany he had a pit stop problem, Spa he fell to the back at the start, Singapore he took a penalty, as he did at Suzuka and in Brazil he got a puncture at the end. He also was ahead 36 points to 34 despite all this. Button on the other hand had perfect reliability and his only misfortune was when Grosjean took him out in Belgium. I am not bashing Button here just saying it as I see it. All in all he deserved his title and his race in Brazil was superb.

Edit: To the guy above, that was McLarens call in China not Lewis' but I agree it was foolish.


I meant Lewis' aggressiveness in Brazil, but yeah, it was not his fault entirely (McLaren did not handle that situation intelligently).

His gearbox malfunctioned in Brazil, that is what cost him the title.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Kojaimea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom277 Posts
July 29 2011 08:20 GMT
#674
Hideous news for UK viewers...

Only half of the F1 races will be free to view on the BBC from 2014, as they and Sky have signed a joint deal. This is a real shame, as the BBC coverage has been fantastic. Gutted.
The riverbed, dried-up, half full of leaves. Us, listening to a river in the trees.
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
July 29 2011 08:51 GMT
#675
This is probably the worst F1 news in years. The BBC coverage has always been top-notch and is being watched all around the world. Such a shame...
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crappyleft
Profile Joined April 2010
99 Posts
July 29 2011 08:54 GMT
#676
I hope they like piracy.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 11:11:23
July 29 2011 10:39 GMT
#677
Extremely disappointed with this news. Hopefully the beeb allow sky to use Martin, Jake and Ted for their coverage and dont run adverts during the race. I doubt it, but a man can hope.
I didnt expect it either, for one I thought the teams wouldnt accept it (less viewer = less money from sponsors) and the viewing figures have been extremely high (only MOTD has better for a sport). Cost for cost it pisses on Wimbledon for example.

Edit: Brundle- BBC/Sky/F1 2012+. Found out last night, no idea how it will work yet I'm out of contract, will calmly work through options Not impressed.

<3 MB he always says what he thinks.

Edit 2: Just looking into it more it seems Bernie didnt tell the teams, oh my god there is a shitstorm about to go down I promise you. Back to the talk of a breakaway series?
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1103 Posts
July 29 2011 10:58 GMT
#678
On July 29 2011 17:20 Kojaimea wrote:
Hideous news for UK viewers...

Only half of the F1 races will be free to view on the BBC from 2014, as they and Sky have signed a joint deal. This is a real shame, as the BBC coverage has been fantastic. Gutted.


Even though I have the full SkyHD package this is a fucking joke. F1 Corp are a joke, this will massivley harm F1's viewing figures, which thanks to the BBC has been on the rise... why now do they want to fuck those numbers into the ground for an extra few million is pathatic. I hope all the teams protest about this on just a morral level.
Bairemuth
Profile Joined June 2010
United States404 Posts
July 29 2011 11:25 GMT
#679
On July 29 2011 17:20 Kojaimea wrote:
Hideous news for UK viewers...

Only half of the F1 races will be free to view on the BBC from 2014, as they and Sky have signed a joint deal. This is a real shame, as the BBC coverage has been fantastic. Gutted.


So this doesn't affect US viewers does it? Still sounds terrible either way.
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
July 29 2011 11:32 GMT
#680
Bullshit, really disspointed. Everyone is so greedy in sport today.
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