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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On August 27 2011 21:53 Asshat wrote: Disgraceful by Maldonado? Hamilton was the one who ran into him, and he better get a harsh punishment for it. please stop trolling. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On August 27 2011 21:53 Asshat wrote: Disgraceful by Maldonado? Hamilton was the one who ran into him, and he better get a harsh punishment for it. You muppet. | ||
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Insight.9
United Kingdom79 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Down the hill it kinda looked like they were both idiots, but I couldn't really see it because of the poor camera angle, so I won't judge until I find a youtube link with a better camera  The fact alone that Lewis slowed down because he wanted to scare off Maldonado tells a lot about him tho. | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On August 27 2011 22:18 zere wrote: Well, last corner before finish line was clearly Maldonado's fault; head to head while turning in, Lewis on the inside and it was a P1 lap (at that time) for him, after all. Down the hill it kinda looked like they were both idiots, but I couldn't really see it because of the poor camera angle, so I won't judge until I find a youtube link with a better camera The fact alone that Lewis slowed down because he wanted to scare off Maldonado tells a lot about him tho.All you need to look for is the angle of Maldonado's car when contact was made. I agree the camera angles were bad but the head on angle shows quite clearly that Maldonado is not even thinking about taking Eau Rouge, he's pointing his car at the wall. Edit: Should add that the incident happened when the session was ended, neither of them were on a fast lap so there was no reason to be racing. Edit edit: Talking to some people in the know who are saying that Maldonado had a history of similar incidents/being very hot headed in junior formulae too. He should consider NASCAR. | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
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soulpoetry
United Kingdom177 Posts
gonna be interesting to see how Senna does in a better car for the rest of the season. | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On August 27 2011 22:56 NikonTC wrote: http://twitpic.com/6c00gn Well, that is misleading, because it doesn't show how Hamilton zig-zagged around. €: Yeah, saw it on that other angle now. Lewis' zig-zag was idiotic, but had nothing to do with the collision. Right before the collision, Lewis steers towards the middle of the track, like 1 foot or so, and that's why I initially thought it was something to do with that, but it's just for keeping on course into the right direction. Maldonado cuts it. Or, in this case, he doesn't quite. For F1. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On August 28 2011 01:05 Aristodemus wrote: Reprimand for Hamilton too, what a joke. He started it ... He waited for Maldonado and moved right once they were next to each other. Nikki Lauda said that both should be penalized on the German television and I agree with him. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On August 28 2011 01:23 vdale wrote: He started it ... He waited for Maldonado and moved right once they were next to each other. Nikki Lauda said that both should be penalized on the German television and I agree with him. No he moved (very slightly) to the right before he pulled alongside and almost instantly moved back when he saw him pulling alongside. While we are name dropping Brundle said Maldonado should be thrown out of the race weekend and I agree with him. Edit: This is from BBC coverage (although without Brundles opinion) | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On August 28 2011 02:23 Aristodemus wrote: No he moved (very slightly) to the right before he pulled alongside and almost instantly moved back when he saw him pulling alongside. While we are name dropping Brundle said Maldonado should be thrown out of the race weekend and I agree with him. I just mentioned Lauda, because BBC seems to be biased when British drivers are involved. Hamilton wanted to make a statement on the track and that's not the right way to do it. He provoked Maldonado, who overreacted afterwards. I think a 5 place grid drop for Maldonado and a reprimand for Hamilton is fine. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On August 28 2011 02:23 Aristodemus wrote: No he moved (very slightly) to the right before he pulled alongside and almost instantly moved back when he saw him pulling alongside. The Stewards probably saw it like I did earlier: They probably interpreted his zik-zaking (I'll just call it that way, because it was a bit more than very slightly) as trying to tell Maldonado to gtfo, since Maldonado bumped into him unnecessarily in the last corner. Still, I agree that the collision is in no way Lewis' fault. Pulling right-left had nothing to do with Maldonado driving like a drunk. On August 28 2011 03:28 vdale wrote:I just mentioned Lauda, because BBC seems to be biased when British drivers are involved. Actually, the British commentators and stewards get a lot of flak for being too harsh on Hamilton (which they mostly are, actually). Aristodemus will disagree with me on several of Lewis' maneuvers, hehe, but even I do recognize that | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On August 28 2011 05:21 zere wrote: The Stewards probably saw it like I did earlier: They probably interpreted his zik-zaking (I'll just call it that way, because it was a bit more than very slightly) as trying to tell Maldonado to gtfo, since Maldonado bumped into him unnecessarily in the last corner. Still, I agree that the collision is in no way Lewis' fault. Pulling right-left had nothing to do with Maldonado driving like a drunk. Actually, the British commentators and stewards get a lot of flak for being too harsh on Hamilton (which they mostly are, actually). Aristodemus will disagree with me on several of Lewis' maneuvers, hehe, but even I do recognize that No, I agree with most of that  If you want to hand out reprimands for something so minor then we will have very busy stewards from now on. I dont agree it was provoking him, I think he was surprised to see him pulling alongside him (turning to the right hand side for eau rouge is normal) and he moved back very quickly. Lewis does get alot of shit from the BBC, mainly from Coulthard and Lee. Every single incident involving Lewis gets the "Well I think he will get a drive-through for that Martin" while he blames other drivers who DiResta drives into. Today Hamilton, Vettel and Massa set green (purple in Hamiltons case) sectors when Schumacher went off but he was calling for a sanction for Lewis only.As for Maldonado the only real similar example I cant think of is Schumacher-Villeneuve from 97 which he was excluded from the championship (albeit an incident in a race not a closed session). I dont think he deserved that but a 5 place penalty is extremely soft in my view. As MB alluded to, it sets a very bad example to kids in junior formula. Exclusion from the race weekend in my view would have been just. | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
Quite honestly Lauda, these days you're just a homophobic quack that believes in the healing powers of magnets and crystals. And you seem completely out of touch with modern forumla 1, so forgive me for not taking anything you say seriously. | ||
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