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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
The biggest problems with the Heats is that they have no team chemistry, and the coach is still learning how to work with their "big three". I thought it was funny beginning in the second half when LeBron just turned on "Cleveland mode" and started soloing. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On October 28 2010 00:56 Cambium wrote: People need to stop tearing up/dismissing Miami so quickly, despite their abysmal first quarter/half performance, the team has a tremendous amount of potential and will do well until at least the final stages of the playoffs. The biggest problems with the Heats is that they have no team chemistry, and the coach is still learning how to work with their "big three". I thought it was funny beginning in the second half when LeBron just turned on "Cleveland mode" and started soloing. Not to mention that it was a 3 point game with 1 minute to go with the absolutely horrible start Miami had with basically Wade and Bosh nonexistant. It really came down the Allen hitting those three's. I can't even imagine this team when it starts running on all cylinders. Exciting season ahead! | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
Bosh isn't much of a rebounder or defender (his rebounding numbers are so high because he played with Bargnani, who has an allergy to rebounds). Haslem has lost a step or two, and Joel Anthony lacks experience, Big Z never was a great rebounder, and his health is a huge question mark. They lack size and strength underneath, and will have to rely on LeBron and Wade to help out rebounding, which may cut into their transition game a bit. Offensively they'll need to get lots of penetration from LeBron and Wade. Bosh is a good face-up big, but he won't get many opportunities to initiate the offense like he did in Toronto. Bosh will need to run the floor and hit the offensive glass to come close to approaching his numbers in Toronto, and will need to improve dramatically on defense if he even wants to be mentioned in the same breath and Wade and LeBron. This team is going to struggle when LeBron isn't playing well, or they aren't making those open three's. Miami's big three is not as well constructed as Boston's big three, who are complimentary to one another. Will be fun to watch. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 28 2010 00:56 Cambium wrote: People need to stop tearing up/dismissing Miami so quickly, despite their abysmal first quarter/half performance, the team has a tremendous amount of potential and will do well until at least the final stages of the playoffs. The biggest problems with the Heats is that they have no team chemistry, and the coach is still learning how to work with their "big three". I thought it was funny beginning in the second half when LeBron just turned on "Cleveland mode" and started soloing. I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't the only time he has to do that. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:32 Ferrose wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't the only time he has to do that. Nah, I expect Wade to perform (not sure about Bosh). Even if no one does, LeBron can just pull another Cleveland with Miami, meh. On October 28 2010 01:13 Hrrrrm wrote: Not to mention that it was a 3 point game with 1 minute to go with the absolutely horrible start Miami had with basically Wade and Bosh nonexistant. It really came down the Allen hitting those three's. I can't even imagine this team when it starts running on all cylinders. Exciting season ahead! Yea, I expect the Heats to do well, but I wouldn't count on them winning. I actually think Boston has a really good chance this year, but then again, I really dislike the Lakers (good performance from both the Lakers and the Rockets btw). | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:43 Cambium wrote: Nah, I expect Wade to perform (not sure about Bosh). Even if no one does, LeBron can just pull another Cleveland with Miami, meh. Oh, Wade will definitely perform. And it's gonna be awesome. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:44 Ferrose wrote: Oh, Wade will definitely perform. And it's gonna be awesome. I think the scariest part about the Heats is that they can supposedly switch up their Big Three, and they will have very different offensive fronts; this may cause headaches to teams who aren't great at the defensive game. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Lebron and Wade are also good rebounders. Even if they both stepped up to crash the glass their transition game is going to be lethal. Both are fast, both can pass superbly and Bosh can run. It's not like you don't see point guards like Kidd, CP3 and Rondo crash the glass, grab the rebound and just run through the opposing transition defense and crush them. Wade is going to perform for sure. Also the game was "close" more so in the fact that once Pierce went out of the game, Lebron had free reign for a while. Even with that actually watching the game I don't think anyone ever felt like Miami was close to winning. That game was a massacre far more than the box score shows. | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
I'm sorry I had a fling with FIBA during the summer. NEVER LEAVE ME. | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
Bosh is NOT a good rebounder, he just got them in Toronto because no one else did. I guess being a Toronto fan adds to my Bosh hate, but it is well founded and you'll all see in time. I think Boston and Orlando will be tough to beat. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Bosh was ranked 10th in the league overall last year in rebounds, and #6 among PFs. I don't know where this myth about having a shitty rebounding center means you'll have a PF gobbling up all the rebounds. True, he'll surely get more. But you don't just pick up 10.8 rebounds per game as if the ball is falling off the rim and the other team is watching you. If that's the case then why is no one on Detroit getting more than 6 rebounds per game? Surely if the Center is that bad and always out of position their Power Forwards should have insane rebounding stats right? You just don't know how rebounding works because how good you're Center is entails only part of the story. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:26 Ace wrote: If that's the case then why is no one on Detroit getting more than 6 rebounds per game? Surely if the Center is that bad and always out of position their Power Forwards should have insane rebounding stats right? You just don't know how rebounding works because how good you're Center is entails only part of the story. NO other Raptors rebounded, not just the center. There are only so many rebounds out there, and if your teammates aren't getting any, then you're going to get more by default. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:51 Zorkmid wrote: NO other Raptors rebounded, not just the center. There are only so many rebounds out there, and if your teammates aren't getting any, then you're going to get more by default. Bosh plays PF. He went for the ball because he's good at it. He had over 200 offensive rebounds for the past two years. Just stop, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Just blind hate. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:26 Ace wrote: Well maybe you should stop letting your hate cloud reality. Bosh was ranked 10th in the league overall last year in rebounds, and #6 among PFs. I don't know where this myth about having a shitty rebounding center means you'll have a PF gobbling up all the rebounds. True, he'll surely get more. But you don't just pick up 10.8 rebounds per game as if the ball is falling off the rim and the other team is watching you. If that's the case then why is no one on Detroit getting more than 6 rebounds per game? Surely if the Center is that bad and always out of position their Power Forwards should have insane rebounding stats right? You just don't know how rebounding works because how good you're Center is entails only part of the story. Jerebko ruined the boards in Detroit last year, Charlie V didnt show up at all, and they have Ben Wallace, how can you compare Ben Wallace, an actual defensive center, to Bargnani, someone who sits out at the three/foul line, all game, for being 7 foot he definitely doesnt rebound as well as he should, or box out for that matter, so like i said, Bosh being a looter in a riot for so long is tainting his statistics, being the only talented player means, like i said, he sticks out like a sore thumb. Look at the current Toronto team and tell me who will rebound? they start Bargnani at the 4, and have Reggie Evans at the 5 (he is shorter) just because they know Bargnani cant really bang as a center, (hence why Bosh was matched up against centers last year). I'm happy someone agreed with me that Bosh isnt nearly as good as he is hyped up to be, this must come from actually watching Raptors games over the past 3 years, im not sure how many you have seen, but it doesnt seem like many, you seem to just look at the stat sheet. Well, Toronto sucks at every aspect, their starting SG and SF were Derozan, under sized, not great on boards, and Turkoglu who shouldnt even be mentioned. Other than that they have Amir Johnson, foul trouble, and Bargnani, soft. Bosh is going to gobble up tons of boards there, also he put on 15? pounds last year, that helped his rebounding numbers. This is his only strength on defense, like i said his man to man is average, and his help defense is non existent. Its not Bosh hate, as much as it is Bosh reality. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
That being said I never even compared Bargnani and Ben Wallace. In fact I never even mentioned their names. I was illustrating that it's downright ridiculous to say that if you have a Center poor at rebounding then your Power Forwards will gobble them all up. Ben Wallace is a good rebounder and he played less than 30 mpg. So how come all the other Piston PFs weren't hoarding boards? There is no looter in a riot mentality there and the example is bullshit. If you're a bad rebounder on a team with a bad rebounding Center you're rebounding stats are not going to skyrocket. Bosh has played 1 game as a member of the Heat, played terribly at that and still managed to grab 8 rebounds. So when will either of you drop your hate for the man and just stop crying because he left Toronto? Neither of you know what you're talking about. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:16 HonestTea wrote: I god I missed you so much, NBA. I'm sorry I had a fling with FIBA during the summer. NEVER LEAVE ME. THIS!!! wish nba was all year round, i was waiting so long for this season to start fckkk =) | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
Nash must be crying his eyes out to see Turkoglu there instead. On October 28 2010 03:05 Ace wrote: Bosh is a good rebounder. Even without Bargnani there. No idea where this Bosh hate is coming from. Lebron and Wade are also good rebounders. Even if they both stepped up to crash the glass their transition game is going to be lethal. Both are fast, both can pass superbly and Bosh can run. It's not like you don't see point guards like Kidd, CP3 and Rondo crash the glass, grab the rebound and just run through the opposing transition defense and crush them. Wade is going to perform for sure. Also the game was "close" more so in the fact that once Pierce went out of the game, Lebron had free reign for a while. Even with that actually watching the game I don't think anyone ever felt like Miami was close to winning. That game was a massacre far more than the box score shows. That's cold, you've been ignoring my posts T__T Bosh is limited by softness. He is a good player but is not dominant, not a number 1 option, not a person who, paired with the likes of Joel Anthony, can have a championship caliber frontcourt. Miami will obviously have a great open court game and Bosh will contribute. But, a good defensive team which can clog the paint is a serious problem. If Wade and Lebron are forced to take jumpers and Bosh is matched up against front courts like those in LA, ORL, BOS, than Miami is in for trouble. | ||
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