EPTthen played 4 consecutive UW mirrors, which I don't mind except when I only have 2 cards for the mirror and my opponent brings in like 5 cards =[
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
then played 4 consecutive UW mirrors, which I don't mind except when I only have 2 cards for the mirror and my opponent brings in like 5 cards =[ | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 10 2011 19:43 MCMcEmcee wrote: entered Standard FNM at a store I've never played at before but people I know play there, I was told that a lot of the regulars play aggro (monored aggro or monogreen infect) so I skewed my sideboard accordingly... then played 4 consecutive UW mirrors, which I don't mind except when I only have 2 cards for the mirror and my opponent brings in like 5 cards =[ Try a couple of maindeck Azure Mages, and run 2 Sword of War and Peace. Both cards are good in the mirror and goblins matchups, and I guess they block Glistener Elves? Didn't know infect was a real deck. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
The deck itself isn't bad there are just better aggro cards. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
On September 11 2011 09:42 Cel.erity wrote: Try a couple of maindeck Azure Mages, and run 2 Sword of War and Peace. Both cards are good in the mirror and goblins matchups, and I guess they block Glistener Elves? Didn't know infect was a real deck. Well against some versions of UW I bring in 2x Azure Mage from the board along with my normal package (1x Revoke 1x O-ring), usually against the more control-y versions as opposed to the aggro-Hero/Splicer/Crusader versions. Worked out ok, my losses were a major punt on my part (not doing combat math properly zzz) and losing the counter war over my opponent's 2nd Sun Titan of the game =[ Played a casual match with one of the better players to learn the mirror better and pretty much got owned by Jace living for 5 turns then losing fight over his Sphinx, multiple times. I'm not patient enough in the mirror, I always want to tap out for something =[ The infect deck is pretty much just a wannabe combo deck, like a terrible version of the Modern turn-2 infect deck. Instead of having actual ways to protect your combo you just hope they don't have it and dump every free pump spell in the format onto your Glistener Elf and BELIEVE. I am not terribly scared of it, playing a squawk or holding up pierce/leak is usually enough to end them zzz | ||
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Risen
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote: Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts. http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On September 14 2011 00:15 Kralic wrote: You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts. http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't... | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On September 14 2011 01:41 DCLXVI wrote: They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't... I think LSV's videos are the best to stick to(He doesn't mind changing up his style of deck). Conley and Tom's are okay since they have different tastes on what they want in a deck. Also the SOM all stars #2 I think with John Finkle is cool. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On September 14 2011 02:09 Kralic wrote: I think LSV's videos are the best to stick to(He doesn't mind changing up his style of deck). Conley and Tom's are okay since they have different tastes on what they want in a deck. Also the SOM all stars #2 I think with John Finkle is cool. Yeah, each drafter has his quirks. LSV - too greedy sometimes, Conely - occasionally messes around, TomM - awful IMO, Ochoa - for some reason stops thinking when recording videos, but near perfect written ones, PV - hard to understand sometimes and not always up to date on the format (maybe takes a while to upload the vids), Owen - solid drafter, cant remember any bad points now. | ||
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last.resistance
Canada543 Posts
On September 14 2011 02:42 DCLXVI wrote: Yeah, each drafter has his quirks. LSV - too greedy sometimes, Conely - occasionally messes around, TomM - awful IMO, Ochoa - for some reason stops thinking when recording videos, but near perfect written ones, PV - hard to understand sometimes and not always up to date on the format (maybe takes a while to upload the vids), Owen - solid drafter, cant remember any bad points now. I watched a lot of their drafts this weekend, and one things I noticed about all of them is no one wants to play green. Every draft had the drafter saying that Green is open. Is it really that bad? The best game I saw was SORIN'S VENGEANCE owning the guy recording the vod to win the game. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 14 2011 08:27 slyboogie wrote: Green's okay. I definitely think it's in the bottom two colors in terms of raw power - between Black and Green, imo. That being said, you're always happy with Cudgel Troll and the Spiders. Overrun makes you feel like a brute but it always works! Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though. Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels. But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs.  | ||
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last.resistance
Canada543 Posts
On September 14 2011 08:45 Cel.erity wrote: Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels. But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs. Where can I watch your VODs? Are they commentated? I haven't really played since... Invasion block? The life of a poor university student caused me to move out of playing, but now that it's behind me I am looking to get back in. I've always been more interested in Limited than Constructed. Sideboard thought: Innistrad looks like a fun set. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 14 2011 09:43 last.resistance wrote: Where can I watch your VODs? Are they commentated? I haven't really played since... Invasion block? The life of a poor university student caused me to move out of playing, but now that it's behind me I am looking to get back in. I've always been more interested in Limited than Constructed. Sideboard thought: Innstrad looks like a fun set. Hmm, thought link was in the OP, but I guess that's the other thread. http://justin.tv/celeritygaming Commentated of course, yes. Wouldn't recommend watching the last couple, I just lost a finals to a guy who couldn't speak english and was playing Lifelink and Fog in his deck. High quality Magic. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2011 02:42 DCLXVI wrote: Yeah, each drafter has his quirks. LSV - too greedy sometimes, Conely - occasionally messes around, TomM - awful IMO, Ochoa - for some reason stops thinking when recording videos, but near perfect written ones, PV - hard to understand sometimes and not always up to date on the format (maybe takes a while to upload the vids), Owen - solid drafter, cant remember any bad points now. Glad it isn't just me. I finished watching some of TomM's recent drafts and was like... wtf is this guy doing, cmon. On September 14 2011 08:45 Cel.erity wrote: Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels. But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs. Riding troll to victory doesn't feel skill rewarding? Nawww  Have to agree with green being boring, but I also feel like a lot of the non-boring play from red/black comes from bloodlust. To me that's kind of artificial fun, idk... But more options are always nice and at least playing nonbl vs bl is a decision. The decisions for green are, will he counter this, and do I leave mana open for regen here. Edit: How could I forget the hexproof bomb! Silly me.... Edit 2: I'm really excited for Innistrad. Edit 3: Makes me happy to see such clear power creep too. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123068&d=1314495820 | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:07 Risen wrote: Edit 3: Makes me happy to see such clear power creep too. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123068&d=1314495820 meh, unless vamps/werewolves/zombies are really important, I'd rather just have knight of meadowgrain. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2011 14:13 DEN1ED wrote: meh, unless vamps/werewolves/zombies are really important, I'd rather just have knight of meadowgrain. I value vigilance over lifelink. Then add on three protections against almost every type in innistrad? Gg Edit: type that isn't mirror Edit 2: even if you value lifelink over vigilance, I think the three protections clearly tip the scales in this format. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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