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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
September 10 2011 10:43 GMT
#1041
entered Standard FNM at a store I've never played at before but people I know play there, I was told that a lot of the regulars play aggro (monored aggro or monogreen infect) so I skewed my sideboard accordingly...
then played 4 consecutive UW mirrors, which I don't mind except when I only have 2 cards for the mirror and my opponent brings in like 5 cards =[
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 11 2011 00:42 GMT
#1042
On September 10 2011 19:43 MCMcEmcee wrote:
entered Standard FNM at a store I've never played at before but people I know play there, I was told that a lot of the regulars play aggro (monored aggro or monogreen infect) so I skewed my sideboard accordingly...
then played 4 consecutive UW mirrors, which I don't mind except when I only have 2 cards for the mirror and my opponent brings in like 5 cards =[


Try a couple of maindeck Azure Mages, and run 2 Sword of War and Peace. Both cards are good in the mirror and goblins matchups, and I guess they block Glistener Elves? Didn't know infect was a real deck.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 11 2011 04:43 GMT
#1043
It's funny when people do the live wire lash combo vs cawblade and they just go... Awwwwwww.

The deck itself isn't bad there are just better aggro cards.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-11 09:25:30
September 11 2011 08:54 GMT
#1044
On September 11 2011 09:42 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2011 19:43 MCMcEmcee wrote:
entered Standard FNM at a store I've never played at before but people I know play there, I was told that a lot of the regulars play aggro (monored aggro or monogreen infect) so I skewed my sideboard accordingly...
then played 4 consecutive UW mirrors, which I don't mind except when I only have 2 cards for the mirror and my opponent brings in like 5 cards =[


Try a couple of maindeck Azure Mages, and run 2 Sword of War and Peace. Both cards are good in the mirror and goblins matchups, and I guess they block Glistener Elves? Didn't know infect was a real deck.


Well against some versions of UW I bring in 2x Azure Mage from the board along with my normal package (1x Revoke 1x O-ring), usually against the more control-y versions as opposed to the aggro-Hero/Splicer/Crusader versions. Worked out ok, my losses were a major punt on my part (not doing combat math properly zzz) and losing the counter war over my opponent's 2nd Sun Titan of the game =[
Played a casual match with one of the better players to learn the mirror better and pretty much got owned by Jace living for 5 turns then losing fight over his Sphinx, multiple times. I'm not patient enough in the mirror, I always want to tap out for something =[

The infect deck is pretty much just a wannabe combo deck, like a terrible version of the Modern turn-2 infect deck. Instead of having actual ways to protect your combo you just hope they don't have it and dump every free pump spell in the format onto your Glistener Elf and BELIEVE. I am not terribly scared of it, playing a squawk or holding up pierce/leak is usually enough to end them zzz
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 13 2011 09:35 GMT
#1045
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 15:23:05
September 13 2011 15:15 GMT
#1046
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote:
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD


You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p
Brood War forever!
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
September 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#1047
On September 14 2011 00:15 Kralic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote:
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD


You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p

They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't...
I can already see the ending
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
September 13 2011 17:09 GMT
#1048
On September 14 2011 01:41 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 00:15 Kralic wrote:
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote:
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD


You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p

They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't...


I think LSV's videos are the best to stick to(He doesn't mind changing up his style of deck). Conley and Tom's are okay since they have different tastes on what they want in a deck.

Also the SOM all stars #2 I think with John Finkle is cool.
Brood War forever!
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
September 13 2011 17:42 GMT
#1049
On September 14 2011 02:09 Kralic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 01:41 DCLXVI wrote:
On September 14 2011 00:15 Kralic wrote:
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote:
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD


You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p

They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't...


I think LSV's videos are the best to stick to(He doesn't mind changing up his style of deck). Conley and Tom's are okay since they have different tastes on what they want in a deck.

Also the SOM all stars #2 I think with John Finkle is cool.

Yeah, each drafter has his quirks. LSV - too greedy sometimes, Conely - occasionally messes around, TomM - awful IMO, Ochoa - for some reason stops thinking when recording videos, but near perfect written ones, PV - hard to understand sometimes and not always up to date on the format (maybe takes a while to upload the vids), Owen - solid drafter, cant remember any bad points now.
I can already see the ending
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
September 13 2011 23:16 GMT
#1050
On September 14 2011 02:42 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:09 Kralic wrote:
On September 14 2011 01:41 DCLXVI wrote:
On September 14 2011 00:15 Kralic wrote:
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote:
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD


You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p

They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't...


I think LSV's videos are the best to stick to(He doesn't mind changing up his style of deck). Conley and Tom's are okay since they have different tastes on what they want in a deck.

Also the SOM all stars #2 I think with John Finkle is cool.

Yeah, each drafter has his quirks. LSV - too greedy sometimes, Conely - occasionally messes around, TomM - awful IMO, Ochoa - for some reason stops thinking when recording videos, but near perfect written ones, PV - hard to understand sometimes and not always up to date on the format (maybe takes a while to upload the vids), Owen - solid drafter, cant remember any bad points now.

I watched a lot of their drafts this weekend, and one things I noticed about all of them is no one wants to play green. Every draft had the drafter saying that Green is open.

Is it really that bad?

The best game I saw was SORIN'S VENGEANCE owning the guy recording the vod to win the game.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 13 2011 23:23 GMT
#1051
Holy crap, PAST IN FLAMES IS AWESOME I WANT 4. Curiosity getting reprinted too.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
September 13 2011 23:27 GMT
#1052
Green's okay. I definitely think it's in the bottom two colors in terms of raw power - between Black and Green, imo. That being said, you're always happy with Cudgel Troll and the Spiders. Overrun makes you feel like a brute but it always works!

Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 13 2011 23:45 GMT
#1053
On September 14 2011 08:27 slyboogie wrote:
Green's okay. I definitely think it's in the bottom two colors in terms of raw power - between Black and Green, imo. That being said, you're always happy with Cudgel Troll and the Spiders. Overrun makes you feel like a brute but it always works!

Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though.


Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels.

But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 01:03:33
September 14 2011 00:43 GMT
#1054
On September 14 2011 08:45 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 08:27 slyboogie wrote:
Green's okay. I definitely think it's in the bottom two colors in terms of raw power - between Black and Green, imo. That being said, you're always happy with Cudgel Troll and the Spiders. Overrun makes you feel like a brute but it always works!

Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though.


Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels.

But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs.

Where can I watch your VODs? Are they commentated? I haven't really played since... Invasion block? The life of a poor university student caused me to move out of playing, but now that it's behind me I am looking to get back in. I've always been more interested in Limited than Constructed.

Sideboard thought: Innistrad looks like a fun set.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 14 2011 00:49 GMT
#1055
On September 14 2011 09:43 last.resistance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 08:45 Cel.erity wrote:
On September 14 2011 08:27 slyboogie wrote:
Green's okay. I definitely think it's in the bottom two colors in terms of raw power - between Black and Green, imo. That being said, you're always happy with Cudgel Troll and the Spiders. Overrun makes you feel like a brute but it always works!

Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though.


Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels.

But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs.

Where can I watch your VODs? Are they commentated? I haven't really played since... Invasion block? The life of a poor university student caused me to move out of playing, but now that it's behind me I am looking to get back in. I've always been more interested in Limited than Constructed.

Sideboard thought: Innstrad looks like a fun set.


Hmm, thought link was in the OP, but I guess that's the other thread. http://justin.tv/celeritygaming

Commentated of course, yes. Wouldn't recommend watching the last couple, I just lost a finals to a guy who couldn't speak english and was playing Lifelink and Fog in his deck. High quality Magic.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
September 14 2011 00:58 GMT
#1056
It also seems as if green can only support one or possibly two drafters per table. There are only two bombs - overrun and stingerfling, and about 4 creatures you want in your deck - troll, wolf, dungrove, and spider. Even though the removal is better than usual, there are no other ways to win the game. The other colors will fly over or outrace you and have better removal. Stuff like act of treason and frost breath makes it very risky to rely on 4-6 drops to stabilize. The CFB drafters worry that someone else might be in green and assume they wont get enough playables, which is right more often than not.
I can already see the ending
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 01:35:21
September 14 2011 01:07 GMT
#1057
On September 14 2011 02:42 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:09 Kralic wrote:
On September 14 2011 01:41 DCLXVI wrote:
On September 14 2011 00:15 Kralic wrote:
On September 13 2011 18:35 Risen wrote:
Need to find someone who streams other than cel >.< he can't stream 24/7 and I get bored doing homework XD


You can watch Channel Fireball's vods. They are actually really good(well I found they were) and they give a lot of commentary on what they are doing, what card they chose and why they did. It is pretty much all MTGO and a huge chunk is drafts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChannelFireball?feature=chclk#p/p

They have many more drafts on their website using their own (somewhat shitty) video player, you can check those out too. Just remember not all of the drafters on that site are equal, some are great, but some aren't...


I think LSV's videos are the best to stick to(He doesn't mind changing up his style of deck). Conley and Tom's are okay since they have different tastes on what they want in a deck.

Also the SOM all stars #2 I think with John Finkle is cool.

Yeah, each drafter has his quirks. LSV - too greedy sometimes, Conely - occasionally messes around, TomM - awful IMO, Ochoa - for some reason stops thinking when recording videos, but near perfect written ones, PV - hard to understand sometimes and not always up to date on the format (maybe takes a while to upload the vids), Owen - solid drafter, cant remember any bad points now.


Glad it isn't just me. I finished watching some of TomM's recent drafts and was like... wtf is this guy doing, cmon.

On September 14 2011 08:45 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 08:27 slyboogie wrote:
Green's okay. I definitely think it's in the bottom two colors in terms of raw power - between Black and Green, imo. That being said, you're always happy with Cudgel Troll and the Spiders. Overrun makes you feel like a brute but it always works!

Also, I don't like the rares very much. Garruk's Horde is terrible, Elvish Archdruid is mega blech, Double Chant, Rites of Flourishing. Ick. Even Birds of Paradise is poor in draft. I suppose that Green is just kind of blunt and un-fun. Spirit Wolf/Dungrove Elder with Spirit Mantel can be great though.


Unfun is about right. The color isn't bad, it just doesn't feel very skill-rewarding. Play creatures, play Trollhide or Overrun, derp herp. Even the color's two removal spells, while not bad, are both very narrow so you don't have much of a choice of when to blow them. But to answer the original question: Most of the drafters would have ended up with vastly better decks if they weren't so averse to changing up their preconceptiions of color power levels. All combinations are pretty viable in M12 with only B/G being notably awful. The funniest example to me is when LSV forced mono-R off of a single Fiery Hellhound, passing multiple Pacifisms/Serra Angels.

But yeah, I too wish there were more good draft videos/streams. CFB is basically all I can tolerate, and unlike you guys I don't have the advantage of being able to watch my own VODs.


Riding troll to victory doesn't feel skill rewarding? Nawww

Have to agree with green being boring, but I also feel like a lot of the non-boring play from red/black comes from bloodlust. To me that's kind of artificial fun, idk... But more options are always nice and at least playing nonbl vs bl is a decision. The decisions for green are, will he counter this, and do I leave mana open for regen here.

Edit: How could I forget the hexproof bomb! Silly me....

Edit 2: I'm really excited for Innistrad.

Edit 3: Makes me happy to see such clear power creep too.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123068&d=1314495820
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
September 14 2011 05:13 GMT
#1058
On September 14 2011 10:07 Risen wrote:
Edit 3: Makes me happy to see such clear power creep too.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123068&d=1314495820


meh, unless vamps/werewolves/zombies are really important, I'd rather just have knight of meadowgrain.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 05:28:06
September 14 2011 05:25 GMT
#1059
On September 14 2011 14:13 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:07 Risen wrote:
Edit 3: Makes me happy to see such clear power creep too.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123068&d=1314495820


meh, unless vamps/werewolves/zombies are really important, I'd rather just have knight of meadowgrain.


I value vigilance over lifelink. Then add on three protections against almost every type in innistrad? Gg

Edit: type that isn't mirror

Edit 2: even if you value lifelink over vigilance, I think the three protections clearly tip the scales in this format.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
September 14 2011 05:41 GMT
#1060
Lifelink is significantly better than vig. Vigilance is only relevant if they are threatening with attackers but lifelink is always relevant. And even if they are going to attack back, the lifelink would most likely equal what they are going to attack for anyways. Unless they have a 4/1 or some. It also scales better with honor of the pure/equipment. And sure, he will be great in draft/block where there are probably going to be lots of werewolves/zombies/vampires but I doubt it will be that significant in standard. Innistrad isn't a full tribal block like lorwyn so I highly doubt there will be full tribal decks that are competitive. If this was a card in lorwyn and had pro goblins/merfolk/elves, it would be insane.
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