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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
On September 25 2013 09:54 Risen wrote: When the deck has to be casting 1WW T3 the mana base is going to be tilted in white's favor, meaning even having that single U pre-T3/4 might be considered a blessing more than a regular occurrence. i'm talking about UW control, not WW splash blue :< | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 25 2013 09:43 MCMcEmcee wrote: I was playing chandra in prerotation boros and she was sick. Too bad she can't flip thundermaw anymore :< Whats wrong with flipping stormbreath? | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On September 25 2013 11:20 Shotcoder wrote: Whats wrong with flipping stormbreath? Nothing, IMO, people just think it's "strictly worse" than thunderbro. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 25 2013 11:32 Audemed wrote: Nothing, IMO, people just think it's "strictly worse" than thunderbro. I think the card is better than thundermaw. Yes you lose 1 power but you gain so much protection with that Pro-white. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On September 25 2013 11:47 Shotcoder wrote: I think the card is better than thundermaw. Yes you lose 1 power but you gain so much protection with that Pro-white. I agree. Thundermaw's main plus was the 1 damage to fliers on entry, which wiped lingering souls like mad. With that gone, stormbreath far better. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On September 25 2013 12:31 Risen wrote: I like to think tapping flyers was fairly relevant.... What fliers were even relevant? Resto? Stormbreath goes right past her anyway. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 25 2013 12:36 Audemed wrote: What fliers were even relevant? Resto? Stormbreath goes right past her anyway. The fact that it made enemy fliers irrelevant to the point that resto was the only thing that could be played would be the issue. A 4/4 dragon isn't really impressive as a topdeck late game. A 5/5 that taps just about every potential blocker is. Edit: For example the 3/5 blue sphinx that would be useless against dragon. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On September 25 2013 08:54 DEN1ED wrote: Precinct Captain is definitley an awesome early drop for UW control. I like Lavinia though, I think she might be good now, although probably better in SB. Rapid Hybridization also seems terrible when your early blocker is omenspeaker. I would run SOME countermagic. probably 2 essence scatter 2 dissolve or something like that. Now if you mean in Risen's deck then ignore what I am about to post... I need to step in and say something before more people jump on that PC is good in UW control train. I already had this discussion 3 times with other UW players I have beaten, trying to convince me that PC is somehow relevant in any match up. It's not, I don't want to draw a card that is somehow worse than leaving mana up and playing an Omenspeaker on turn 2. Did someone suggest PC in UW Control? Anyways, Stormbreath/Chandra currently is the only way that red can win against UW, and it's a shitty way to win at that post-board. I feel like Red just doesn't have great answers post-board and losing game 1 for whatever reason really hurts their ability to win the match. I'll post a list sometime that I have been playing. The main board is set at this point save maybe the numbers on 1-3 cards depending on what people brew up before GP Louisville, the sideboard is completely meta dependent with only 7 cards really "necessary". | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
Similar to Gerry's BWR midrange. + Show Spoiler + 3x Blood Baron 1x Obzedat 4x Boros Reckoner 4x Desecration Demon 4x Warleader's Helix 3x Anger of the Gods 3x Doom Blade 3x Dreadbore 2x Rakdos's Return 3x Read the Bones 1x Whip of Erebos 1x Rakdos Keyrune 3x Chained to the rocks 4x Godless Shrine 4x Blood Crypt 4x Sacred FOundry 4x Temple of Silence 2x temple of triumph 3x Mountain 2x Swamp 2x plains Sideboard 2x Underworld Connections 1x Anger of the Gods 2x Mizzium Mortars 2x Slaughter Games 3x Sin Collector 2x Wear/tear 3x Shock 4 Warleader's Helix may seem like a lot, but it was probably the best card in the deck post rotation. I went from 2 to 3 quickly and I actually think 4 might be right. Also can kill Planeswalkers and aimed to the face. Doom blade was also an allstar last standard. I love the 3/3 split with dreadbore. Creature package may be wrong. I may just want 4 blood barons, I may not want any at all and just go with 3 Obzedats like Gerry. But Idk havent played the deck yet. Just going off what I saw from last standard and what I expect to be big this time around. I actually didn't want to run Chained to the rocks but if I don't my answers to things like the Gods(with devotion) are a bit thin. And it's efficient if nothing else. Thoughts? I hope it plays similar to the old BWR I was running last standard...RIP Liliana>Sorin =( | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 25 2013 23:56 slyboogie wrote: I don't think there's much room for it in anything that can handle GW comfortably. It can pick out a Gaddock Teeg or Harmonic Sliver(?!?) in Melira Pod, I guess. Am I missing something? In my experience playing Sterling Grove decks in past years during the time dinosaurs and illuminated manuscripts, I found that GW tutors were best in a shell that splashed only a tiny hint of green. Back then I used a UWB shell with a green splash for 4 Sterling Groves and 2 Dwell in the Past, just as an example. I think something similar will be true for glittering wish as well. The long and short being that Green will not offer any multi-color hosers that will be as good as non-green multicolor hosers; so have a base shell that matches the hosers and splash green *just* for the wish. You could just as easily tutor for a Detention Sphere or a Baron as you could tutor for a Gaddock Teeg. Having a 3 Supreme Verdicts in the main and 1 in the side also leads to good things. City of Brass is your friend  | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On September 26 2013 02:23 Risen wrote: Modern has become so diverse at this point I just feel like if control is going to have a shot at all it needs to be in the form of tutor shell. Mystical is too slow at instant on T4, maybe sorc on T2 will be fast enough. Teachings is better than its been for a long time in my experience. The format has really slowed down in my opinion. The fastest deck, Zoo, is as ubiquitous. Combo is less consistent without premium cantrips. And the Bloodbraid ban has been surprisingly significant (at least, more than I thought.) It's still a tad slow, I agree, and Modern isn't the best format for traditional U control but I'm still fairly sure that Glittering Wish is the opposite direction of where it needs to look. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:44 slyboogie wrote: Teachings is better than its been for a long time in my experience. The format has really slowed down in my opinion. The fastest deck, Zoo, is as ubiquitous. Combo is less consistent without premium cantrips. And the Bloodbraid ban has been surprisingly significant (at least, more than I thought.) It's still a tad slow, I agree, and Modern isn't the best format for traditional U control but I'm still fairly sure that Glittering Wish is the opposite direction of where it needs to look. Fair enough. My problem when I piloted teachings this past season was that it was just weak to any deck that could land a threat and protect it with counters. Things like UWR cleaned house with the deck (though it was ALWAYS close. I'm talking I'd stabilize on 2/3 life sometimes and pull a victory if they didn't topdeck a lightning bolt with countermagic support) | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On September 26 2013 06:23 Risen wrote: Fair enough. My problem when I piloted teachings this past season was that it was just weak to any deck that could land a threat and protect it with counters. Things like UWR cleaned house with the deck (though it was ALWAYS close. I'm talking I'd stabilize on 2/3 life sometimes and pull a victory if they didn't topdeck a lightning bolt with countermagic support) That was true of any control deck. Tempo always matched up well against pure Control for the most part. I mean when you think about Delver vs UB or Caw-Blade vs. UW/UB, the match ups were clearly in their favor most of the time. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 26 2013 07:09 Judicator wrote: That was true of any control deck. Tempo always matched up well against pure Control for the most part. I mean when you think about Delver vs UB or Caw-Blade vs. UW/UB, the match ups were clearly in their favor most of the time. Combo < Control < Tempo < Aggro < Midrange < Combo right? | ||
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