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Risen
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:07 Risen wrote: Alrighty Judi, thoughts on UW Aggro-control? I just don't think UW has enough answers on its own atm to play entirely in control territory. Well he *is* advocating for Mutavaults to turn sideways every turn they get so its not like he's suggesting a UW prison deck... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:25 Thieving Magpie wrote: Well he *is* advocating for Mutavaults to turn sideways every turn they get so its not like he's suggesting a UW prison deck... I get that, but I think he's playing to get the mutavaults in post-board wipe. I would want to be swingin in with more than just mutavault T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, Aetherling, swing for game T11. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:33 Risen wrote: I get that, but I think he's playing to get the mutavaults in post-board wipe. I would want to be swingin in with more than just mutavault T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, Aetherling, swing for game T11. I know, and the loss of flash creatures makes the pickings slim for non-mutavault beaters. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote: I know, and the loss of flash creatures makes the pickings slim for non-mutavault beaters. Yeah... :/ In other news I found my next EDH commander. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ths/191.jpg) I have always wanted to play my favorite colors, but it's so hard to find a UW commander that isn't straight dickish. Boom. Edit: So yeah I'm just not seeing the creature base for a UW low cmc build for the simple fact that RDW is just better owing to the fact that playing board wipes in the same deck seems counterintuitive and UW doesn't have the flash creatures to take advantage of holding open removal/counters. So what about a deck that plays high value creatures post-sweep? So something more similar to midrange with sweeps. Vs. Aggro live to the sweep, play said sweep, drop high value CMC 4+ creatures. Vs. Control drop more threats than they can answer, faster than they can drop their own. Vs other midrange it seems pretty coinflip. Seems pretty bad against something like the Rock list igrok posted, though, where there are a lot of single target removal spells. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 4 Lavinia of the Tenth 2 Prognostic Sphinx 4 Omenspeaker 1 AEtherling 3 Rapid Hybridization 4 Sphinx's Revelation 4 Azorius Charm 4 Supreme Verdict 3 Detention Sphere 2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 4 Jace, Architect of Thought 4 Mutavault 4 Hallowed Fountain 7 Island 6 Plains 4 Azorius Guildgate SB: 2 Pithing Needle SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb SB: 2 Riot Control SB: 3 Swan Song SB: 2 Angel of Serenity SB: 4 Fiendslayer Paladin | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On September 25 2013 05:16 Risen wrote: Alright whipped this together quickly. Tell me why it's awful (Dear god the deck has guildgates wtf team...) + Show Spoiler + 4 Lavinia of the Tenth 2 Prognostic Sphinx 4 Omenspeaker 1 AEtherling 3 Rapid Hybridization 4 Sphinx's Revelation 4 Azorius Charm 4 Supreme Verdict 3 Detention Sphere 2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 4 Jace, Architect of Thought 4 Mutavault 4 Hallowed Fountain 7 Island 6 Plains 4 Azorius Guildgate SB: 2 Pithing Needle SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb SB: 2 Riot Control SB: 3 Swan Song SB: 2 Angel of Serenity SB: 4 Fiendslayer Paladin REALLY don't like the fact that your only dudes of significance are 5 drops, and 6 of them. Something like reckoner, precinct captain, fiendslayer, or the like needs to be in the mainboard i feel. Archangel of thune in place of lavinia is also an option, as it provides stabilization in the form of lifegain rather than a 1-turn detain, not to mention she's a finisher herself. EDIT: 4 jaces also feels super greedy. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Also lavania is batshit insane against red aggro. | ||
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DEN1ED
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Risen
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
also, for risen's list, 4 mutavault is terribly greedy--gives you an even worse chance to hit turn 4 verdict than the fact that we don't have buddy lands anymore. honestly i feel like running counters, wipes/spheres,charms etc into an aetherling/elspeth is going to be enough. sure it sucks we dont have resto angels to punish stumbles, but replacing her spot with big drops is not reality. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 25 2013 09:05 EMIYA wrote: i wouldnt bother with captain--he sucks. a defensive 2/2 first striker is not where you want to be against blood rush or searing spears--i'd run essence scatter over him any day. also, for risen's list, 4 mutavault is terribly greedy--gives you an even worse chance to hit turn 4 verdict than the fact that we don't have buddy lands anymore. honestly i feel like running counters, wipes/spheres,charms etc into an aetherling/elspeth is going to be enough. sure it sucks we dont have resto angels to punish stumbles, but replacing her spot with big drops is not reality. Restoration Angel was not good *because* she was a 3/4 flyer, she was good because she was pseudo removal, pseudo combat trick, pseudo utility, AND a 3/4 flyer also. If people want to replace Restoration Angel, you have to replace all the other aspects of Restoration Angel *before* replacing the 3/4 flying portion of her. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
Also, lyev skyknight sees play in block, might be a card to consider. | ||
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Risen
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 25 2013 09:36 MCMcEmcee wrote: I like frostburn weird over precinct captain as a defensive 2 drop... Also, lyev skyknight sees play in block, might be a card to consider. UU seems awful difficult T2. | ||
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caelym
United States6430 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
Doesn't seem any worse than WW on t2. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
On September 25 2013 09:39 caelym wrote: What do you guys think of Chandra in a Boros aggro deck? She can provide reach for creatures and extra gas, I was playing chandra in prerotation boros and she was sick. Too bad she can't flip thundermaw anymore :< | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
When the deck has to be casting 1WW T3 the mana base is going to be tilted in white's favor, meaning even having that single U pre-T3/4 might be considered a blessing more than a regular occurrence. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 4 Boros Reckoner 2 Archangel of Thune 1 Aetherling 1 Haunted Platemail 2 DSphere 3 Supreme Verdict 2 Anger of the gods 3 Magma Jet 2 Cancel (will be dissolves by friday, hopefully) 2 Syncopate 4 Azorius Charm 2 Warleader's Helix 2 Inspiration (will be steam augry) 3 Sphinx's Rev 2 Jace, AOT 2 Mutavault 2 Mountain 3 Island 3 Azorius Guildgate 3 Boros Guildgate (temple of triumph) 4 Sacred Foundry 4 Steam vents 4 Hallowed Fountain SB: 2 Izzet Staticaster 1 Daxos of Meletis (I just really want to see how he works) 2 Negate 1 Counterflux 1 Jace, Memory Adept 2 Assemble the Legion 1 Aetherling 1 Clone 2 Turn//burn 1 Supreme Verdict 1 Celestial flare | ||
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