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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 24 2013 18:07 GMT
#9201
Alrighty Judi, thoughts on UW Aggro-control? I just don't think UW has enough answers on its own atm to play entirely in control territory.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 24 2013 18:25 GMT
#9202
On September 25 2013 03:07 Risen wrote:
Alrighty Judi, thoughts on UW Aggro-control? I just don't think UW has enough answers on its own atm to play entirely in control territory.


Well he *is* advocating for Mutavaults to turn sideways every turn they get so its not like he's suggesting a UW prison deck...
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 24 2013 18:33 GMT
#9203
On September 25 2013 03:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 03:07 Risen wrote:
Alrighty Judi, thoughts on UW Aggro-control? I just don't think UW has enough answers on its own atm to play entirely in control territory.


Well he *is* advocating for Mutavaults to turn sideways every turn they get so its not like he's suggesting a UW prison deck...


I get that, but I think he's playing to get the mutavaults in post-board wipe. I would want to be swingin in with more than just mutavault T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, Aetherling, swing for game T11.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 24 2013 18:41 GMT
#9204
On September 25 2013 03:33 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 03:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 25 2013 03:07 Risen wrote:
Alrighty Judi, thoughts on UW Aggro-control? I just don't think UW has enough answers on its own atm to play entirely in control territory.


Well he *is* advocating for Mutavaults to turn sideways every turn they get so its not like he's suggesting a UW prison deck...


I get that, but I think he's playing to get the mutavaults in post-board wipe. I would want to be swingin in with more than just mutavault T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, Aetherling, swing for game T11.


I know, and the loss of flash creatures makes the pickings slim for non-mutavault beaters.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 19:23:07
September 24 2013 18:45 GMT
#9205
On September 25 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 03:33 Risen wrote:
On September 25 2013 03:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 25 2013 03:07 Risen wrote:
Alrighty Judi, thoughts on UW Aggro-control? I just don't think UW has enough answers on its own atm to play entirely in control territory.


Well he *is* advocating for Mutavaults to turn sideways every turn they get so its not like he's suggesting a UW prison deck...


I get that, but I think he's playing to get the mutavaults in post-board wipe. I would want to be swingin in with more than just mutavault T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, Aetherling, swing for game T11.


I know, and the loss of flash creatures makes the pickings slim for non-mutavault beaters.

Yeah... :/

In other news I found my next EDH commander.

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I have always wanted to play my favorite colors, but it's so hard to find a UW commander that isn't straight dickish. Boom.

Edit: So yeah I'm just not seeing the creature base for a UW low cmc build for the simple fact that RDW is just better owing to the fact that playing board wipes in the same deck seems counterintuitive and UW doesn't have the flash creatures to take advantage of holding open removal/counters. So what about a deck that plays high value creatures post-sweep? So something more similar to midrange with sweeps. Vs. Aggro live to the sweep, play said sweep, drop high value CMC 4+ creatures. Vs. Control drop more threats than they can answer, faster than they can drop their own. Vs other midrange it seems pretty coinflip. Seems pretty bad against something like the Rock list igrok posted, though, where there are a lot of single target removal spells.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 24 2013 20:16 GMT
#9206
Alright whipped this together quickly. Tell me why it's awful (Dear god the deck has guildgates wtf team...)

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4 Lavinia of the Tenth
2 Prognostic Sphinx
4 Omenspeaker
1 AEtherling

3 Rapid Hybridization
4 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Azorius Charm

4 Supreme Verdict

3 Detention Sphere

2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4 Jace, Architect of Thought

4 Mutavault
4 Hallowed Fountain
7 Island
6 Plains
4 Azorius Guildgate

SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb
SB: 2 Riot Control
SB: 3 Swan Song
SB: 2 Angel of Serenity
SB: 4 Fiendslayer Paladin
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 21:36:46
September 24 2013 21:36 GMT
#9207
On September 25 2013 05:16 Risen wrote:
Alright whipped this together quickly. Tell me why it's awful (Dear god the deck has guildgates wtf team...)

+ Show Spoiler +

4 Lavinia of the Tenth
2 Prognostic Sphinx
4 Omenspeaker
1 AEtherling

3 Rapid Hybridization
4 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Azorius Charm

4 Supreme Verdict

3 Detention Sphere

2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4 Jace, Architect of Thought

4 Mutavault
4 Hallowed Fountain
7 Island
6 Plains
4 Azorius Guildgate

SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb
SB: 2 Riot Control
SB: 3 Swan Song
SB: 2 Angel of Serenity
SB: 4 Fiendslayer Paladin


REALLY don't like the fact that your only dudes of significance are 5 drops, and 6 of them. Something like reckoner, precinct captain, fiendslayer, or the like needs to be in the mainboard i feel. Archangel of thune in place of lavinia is also an option, as it provides stabilization in the form of lifegain rather than a 1-turn detain, not to mention she's a finisher herself.

EDIT: 4 jaces also feels super greedy.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 24 2013 22:02 GMT
#9208
I honestly think that theres a UWr tempo deck somewhere. And you are missing quite a few creatures with Detain.

Also lavania is batshit insane against red aggro.
Get it by your hands...
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
September 24 2013 23:54 GMT
#9209
Precinct Captain is definitley an awesome early drop for UW control. I like Lavinia though, I think she might be good now, although probably better in SB. Rapid Hybridization also seems terrible when your early blocker is omenspeaker. I would run SOME countermagic. probably 2 essence scatter 2 dissolve or something like that.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 00:03:19
September 25 2013 00:01 GMT
#9210
Hmm... maybe sweeper control isn't the way to go and instead it should be a WW shell deck splashing blue that stalls with value. T1 Pantheon/Militant, T2 precinct/Imposing, T3 fiendslayer/banisher, T4 ???, T5 lavinia/sphinx, T6 aetherling/elspeth and throw in some mutavault goodness. Maybe.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
September 25 2013 00:05 GMT
#9211
i wouldnt bother with captain--he sucks. a defensive 2/2 first striker is not where you want to be against blood rush or searing spears--i'd run essence scatter over him any day.

also, for risen's list, 4 mutavault is terribly greedy--gives you an even worse chance to hit turn 4 verdict than the fact that we don't have buddy lands anymore.

honestly i feel like running counters, wipes/spheres,charms etc into an aetherling/elspeth is going to be enough. sure it sucks we dont have resto angels to punish stumbles, but replacing her spot with big drops is not reality.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 25 2013 00:29 GMT
#9212
On September 25 2013 09:05 EMIYA wrote:
i wouldnt bother with captain--he sucks. a defensive 2/2 first striker is not where you want to be against blood rush or searing spears--i'd run essence scatter over him any day.

also, for risen's list, 4 mutavault is terribly greedy--gives you an even worse chance to hit turn 4 verdict than the fact that we don't have buddy lands anymore.

honestly i feel like running counters, wipes/spheres,charms etc into an aetherling/elspeth is going to be enough. sure it sucks we dont have resto angels to punish stumbles, but replacing her spot with big drops is not reality.


Restoration Angel was not good *because* she was a 3/4 flyer, she was good because she was pseudo removal, pseudo combat trick, pseudo utility, AND a 3/4 flyer also.

If people want to replace Restoration Angel, you have to replace all the other aspects of Restoration Angel *before* replacing the 3/4 flying portion of her.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
September 25 2013 00:36 GMT
#9213
I like frostburn weird over precinct captain as a defensive 2 drop...
Also, lyev skyknight sees play in block, might be a card to consider.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 25 2013 00:36 GMT
#9214
Hmm, think I'm going to have to look at WB/WR/WG shells of WW since I don't really break out of W until T4+ at this point.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 25 2013 00:37 GMT
#9215
On September 25 2013 09:36 MCMcEmcee wrote:
I like frostburn weird over precinct captain as a defensive 2 drop...
Also, lyev skyknight sees play in block, might be a card to consider.

UU seems awful difficult T2.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
September 25 2013 00:39 GMT
#9216
What do you guys think of Chandra in a Boros aggro deck? She can provide reach for creatures and extra gas,
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
September 25 2013 00:39 GMT
#9217
On September 25 2013 09:37 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 09:36 MCMcEmcee wrote:
I like frostburn weird over precinct captain as a defensive 2 drop...
Also, lyev skyknight sees play in block, might be a card to consider.

UU seems awful difficult T2.

Doesn't seem any worse than WW on t2.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
September 25 2013 00:43 GMT
#9218
On September 25 2013 09:39 caelym wrote:
What do you guys think of Chandra in a Boros aggro deck? She can provide reach for creatures and extra gas,

I was playing chandra in prerotation boros and she was sick. Too bad she can't flip thundermaw anymore :<
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 25 2013 00:54 GMT
#9219
On September 25 2013 09:39 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 09:37 Risen wrote:
On September 25 2013 09:36 MCMcEmcee wrote:
I like frostburn weird over precinct captain as a defensive 2 drop...
Also, lyev skyknight sees play in block, might be a card to consider.

UU seems awful difficult T2.

Doesn't seem any worse than WW on t2.

When the deck has to be casting 1WW T3 the mana base is going to be tilted in white's favor, meaning even having that single U pre-T3/4 might be considered a blessing more than a regular occurrence.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
September 25 2013 01:06 GMT
#9220
Alright, here's my list thus far:
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4 Boros Reckoner
2 Archangel of Thune
1 Aetherling
1 Haunted Platemail
2 DSphere
3 Supreme Verdict
2 Anger of the gods
3 Magma Jet
2 Cancel (will be dissolves by friday, hopefully)
2 Syncopate
4 Azorius Charm
2 Warleader's Helix
2 Inspiration (will be steam augry)
3 Sphinx's Rev
2 Jace, AOT

2 Mutavault
2 Mountain
3 Island
3 Azorius Guildgate
3 Boros Guildgate (temple of triumph)
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Steam vents
4 Hallowed Fountain

SB:
2 Izzet Staticaster
1 Daxos of Meletis (I just really want to see how he works)
2 Negate
1 Counterflux
1 Jace, Memory Adept
2 Assemble the Legion
1 Aetherling
1 Clone
2 Turn//burn
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Celestial flare
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
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