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On February 28 2013 04:59 Leonite7 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 04:26 deth2munkies wrote:On February 28 2013 02:41 Leonite7 wrote:
So my LGS has recently been flooded with aggro decks and I am considering starting up a Naya Midrange deck but I dont have a lot of money to spend on it, are there any good cheap cards you guys recommend I should look out for to try and trade for? I know the mana base is expensive but I can probably buy most of the dual lands and trade for a few of the shocklands. Loxodon Smiter holds off infinity 2/2s and he's $3. Wolfir Silverheart is criminally underappreciated in midrange strategies and he's cheap as hell too. I will say, there is no possible way to play midrange without Thragtusk, so keep in mind you'll need to spend at least $60 in trades for 4 copies. I already have 1 Thragtusk and I don't know where you are buying your cards but I saw a playset of Thragtusks going for €32.75($43) without shipping.
SCG prices at $15, and I bet if I order from somewhere across the pond, shipping makes that price sound damned good.
Most people I know around here trade off of SCG values, although, to be fair, there's some people who actually try to find the lowest online price possible when valuing other people's trades, and get their own off of SCG.
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Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of.
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On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of.
Meh, if I want sealed, I'm going to Big Box stores. Wal-Mart and Toys R Us sell that shit at like 60-65% MSRP.
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On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of.
I go by TCGplayer's prices on the search site Magiccards.info, but a lot of people in the shop refuse to accept them because their averages are brought lower by people who are out of stock and haven't increased the price. Or so they say, sounds kind of like bullshit to me.
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On February 28 2013 05:48 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of. I go by TCGplayer's prices on the search site Magiccards.info, but a lot of people in the shop refuse to accept them because their averages are brought lower by people who are out of stock and haven't increased the price. Or so they say, sounds kind of like bullshit to me.
I think it's actually valid argument. I use a dutch website called Nedermagic.nl to trade online and people there tend to use that websites prices. The owner however only updates prices when he has things in stock. Often with T2 staples like reckoners the prices will lag behind because they are rarely in stock, and thus rarely updated. It wouldn't surprise me if the same happens for some of the websites used in the magiccards.info price calculations
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On February 28 2013 05:48 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of. I go by TCGplayer's prices on the search site Magiccards.info, but a lot of people in the shop refuse to accept them because their averages are brought lower by people who are out of stock and haven't increased the price. Or so they say, sounds kind of like bullshit to me.
Yeah, but it's also driven way up by people trying to sell the cards for double their worth.
Magiccards.info Boros Reckoner
Sure it's driven a little low on those $20 guys, but it's also driven up by the $31 guys. Average is average, you're trading shit, not paying retail.
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Welp, looks like I won't be playing at FNM anymore.
I can't afford $1000s to play standard every block, with the meta changing so fast that's just what it takes if you can't extensively test your deck using Cockatrice. I feel bad for my LGS, they are great guys, but I have no reason to buy packs without standard. I will just play EDH, and Hasbro won't see another dime from me.
I'm not going to organize any massive protest or w/e, but thats just kind of a dick move.
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On February 28 2013 06:10 Tarias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 05:48 deth2munkies wrote:On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of. I go by TCGplayer's prices on the search site Magiccards.info, but a lot of people in the shop refuse to accept them because their averages are brought lower by people who are out of stock and haven't increased the price. Or so they say, sounds kind of like bullshit to me. I think it's actually valid argument. I use a dutch website called Nedermagic.nl to trade online and people there tend to use that websites prices. The owner however only updates prices when he has things in stock. Often with T2 staples like reckoners the prices will lag behind because they are rarely in stock, and thus rarely updated. It wouldn't surprise me if the same happens for some of the websites used in the magiccards.info price calculations
I know that's what retailers do, I also know the sell them at inflated prices, and I also know the best way to control for both things is to fucking average them, which is precisely what it does. I still don't see what the whining is about, especially if the same method is applied to both cards in a trade. I fail to see how it has a massive impact as long as you use the same site for both cards.
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On February 28 2013 07:24 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 06:10 Tarias wrote:On February 28 2013 05:48 deth2munkies wrote:On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of. I go by TCGplayer's prices on the search site Magiccards.info, but a lot of people in the shop refuse to accept them because their averages are brought lower by people who are out of stock and haven't increased the price. Or so they say, sounds kind of like bullshit to me. I think it's actually valid argument. I use a dutch website called Nedermagic.nl to trade online and people there tend to use that websites prices. The owner however only updates prices when he has things in stock. Often with T2 staples like reckoners the prices will lag behind because they are rarely in stock, and thus rarely updated. It wouldn't surprise me if the same happens for some of the websites used in the magiccards.info price calculations I know that's what retailers do, I also know the sell them at inflated prices, and I also know the best way to control for both things is to fucking average them, which is precisely what it does. I still don't see what the whining is about, especially if the same method is applied to both cards in a trade. I fail to see how it has a massive impact as long as you use the same site for both cards.
Basically, this works for everything except standard, where card prices can jump $10 literally overnight
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By the way, the best place to buy cards is eBay, always.
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On February 28 2013 07:27 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:24 deth2munkies wrote:On February 28 2013 06:10 Tarias wrote:On February 28 2013 05:48 deth2munkies wrote:On February 28 2013 05:30 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, going off SCG prices is retarded. Everything there is stupidly overpriced, not to mention they go out of their way to fuck you over with sealed shit. See the price of the event decks, for example. TCGPlayer is really what you need to base you trades off of. I go by TCGplayer's prices on the search site Magiccards.info, but a lot of people in the shop refuse to accept them because their averages are brought lower by people who are out of stock and haven't increased the price. Or so they say, sounds kind of like bullshit to me. I think it's actually valid argument. I use a dutch website called Nedermagic.nl to trade online and people there tend to use that websites prices. The owner however only updates prices when he has things in stock. Often with T2 staples like reckoners the prices will lag behind because they are rarely in stock, and thus rarely updated. It wouldn't surprise me if the same happens for some of the websites used in the magiccards.info price calculations I know that's what retailers do, I also know the sell them at inflated prices, and I also know the best way to control for both things is to fucking average them, which is precisely what it does. I still don't see what the whining is about, especially if the same method is applied to both cards in a trade. I fail to see how it has a massive impact as long as you use the same site for both cards. Basically, this works for everything except standard, where card prices can jump $10 literally overnight
Except that jump is based on what retailers price it at. If people believe that it will go up, but retailers do nothing, then it doesn't matter what people think the price is, it's not the price it's being sold at, and that's all that matters.
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On February 28 2013 07:31 Cel.erity wrote:
By the way, the best place to buy cards is eBay, always.
Yep, because what you see are pretty much "real-time" worth or market-value of the cards themselves.
The only exception is when you are looking for a bunch of cards where availability and shipping can easily overtake any saving you might have gotten, very common when you are looking for EDH cards.
Also the "legal dispute" that Cockatrice was caught up in was probably the result of Wizards telling telling them to do something and they told them no. Wizards have had this argument before with other online communities and its never been a problem that really resulted in anything major (aka shutting down) until now.
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On February 28 2013 08:17 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:31 Cel.erity wrote:
By the way, the best place to buy cards is eBay, always. Yep, because what you see are pretty much "real-time" worth or market-value of the cards themselves. The only exception is when you are looking for a bunch of cards where availability and shipping can easily overtake any saving you might have gotten, very common when you are looking for EDH cards. Also the "legal dispute" that Cockatrice was caught up in was probably the result of Wizards telling telling them to do something and they told them no. Wizards have had this argument before with other online communities and its never been a problem that really resulted in anything major (aka shutting down) until now.
Except thar in the last couple months, it's been pretty obvious that it's just somebody in Hasbro's legal team. They've sent out these kind of notices to my little pony fan projects, transformers fan projects, and other Hasbro intellectual properties. All this just started up a few months ago.
edited for speech-to-text errors
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On February 28 2013 08:48 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 08:17 Judicator wrote:On February 28 2013 07:31 Cel.erity wrote:
By the way, the best place to buy cards is eBay, always. Yep, because what you see are pretty much "real-time" worth or market-value of the cards themselves. The only exception is when you are looking for a bunch of cards where availability and shipping can easily overtake any saving you might have gotten, very common when you are looking for EDH cards. Also the "legal dispute" that Cockatrice was caught up in was probably the result of Wizards telling telling them to do something and they told them no. Wizards have had this argument before with other online communities and its never been a problem that really resulted in anything major (aka shutting down) until now. Accepted in the last couple months, it's been pretty obvious that it's just somebody in Hasbro's legal team. They send out these kinds these kind of notices to my little pony fan projects, transformers fan projects, and other Hasbro intellectual properties . All this just started up a few months ago.
If they pull down the "Why we hate Hecarim" LoL video, I'll end them. Luckily, it should be protected under parody, assuming Google has a brain stem.
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Well, I think the Burning-Tree's make more sense if you were planning to run 4 Rubblebelt with the intention of a T5 Rancor swing + a Bloodrush. The biggest value of the Burning-Tree is flooding the board with cheap creatures, unless you happen to need a fix from RR or GG to RG. Which mostly sounds like it would mean you really wanted a T2 Skarrg Guildmage.
Nothing wrong with flooding creatures in an aggro deck, but the synergy seems like it would be stronger if you prioritized Rubblebelt over Ghor-Clan, since you profit more from having bodies on the table that way.
By the same token, I'd consider a couple more 1 drops, just to really ensure you're playing warm bodies every turn no matter what your mana looks like, maybe drop a couple of 2s for it. The lack of 3 drops wouldn't bother me as much if you had more 1's as well, since you could do 2+1 reliably, again giving you more warm bodies.
If you did that, you'd have fair odds of swinging with a good, solid 5-6 creatures on T5, which would instantly buff the Raider to 8 or 9 depending, before a bloodrush or Rancor, along with all the damage from other creatures, and anything you did before.
All in all, it makes a little more sense that way to me. Compared to Rubblebelt, Ghor-Clan is almost better as a combat trick, unless we're talking about blocks between T4 and the swing.
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On February 28 2013 09:08 JingleHell wrote:Well, I think the Burning-Tree's make more sense if you were planning to run 4 Rubblebelt with the intention of a T5 Rancor swing + a Bloodrush. The biggest value of the Burning-Tree is flooding the board with cheap creatures, unless you happen to need a fix from RR or GG to RG. Which mostly sounds like it would mean you really wanted a T2 Skarrg Guildmage. Nothing wrong with flooding creatures in an aggro deck, but the synergy seems like it would be stronger if you prioritized Rubblebelt over Ghor-Clan, since you profit more from having bodies on the table that way.
My thought is that I will mostly use ghor-clan for the bloodrush. Kind of like a bait with a small fry and pop a +4/4 + trample for two mana when they try to block my weanies. If I put more rubblebelt I feel that might delay my rush? The only time I can see playing the Ghor-clan and not bloodrushing it is if I have haste from the goblins or They have held off the initial assault.
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On February 28 2013 09:12 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:08 JingleHell wrote:Well, I think the Burning-Tree's make more sense if you were planning to run 4 Rubblebelt with the intention of a T5 Rancor swing + a Bloodrush. The biggest value of the Burning-Tree is flooding the board with cheap creatures, unless you happen to need a fix from RR or GG to RG. Which mostly sounds like it would mean you really wanted a T2 Skarrg Guildmage. Nothing wrong with flooding creatures in an aggro deck, but the synergy seems like it would be stronger if you prioritized Rubblebelt over Ghor-Clan, since you profit more from having bodies on the table that way. My thought is that I will mostly use ghor-clan for the bloodrush. Kind of like a bait with a small fry and pop a +4/4 + trample for two mana when they try to block my weanies. If I put more rubblebelt I feel that might delay my rush? The only time I can see playing the Ghor-clan and not bloodrushing it is if I have haste from the goblins or They have held off the initial assault.
Sorry, see the rest of what I said after the edit.
Ghor-Clan is an awesome trick, but it's not quite as good of a body as Rubblebelt, unless you need to defend against another creature deck with decent sized threats. If I have the Life buffer I need to survive to T5, I want Rubblebelt on the table. It's a pacing thing. Once you give them control of the match, they'll keep it, meaning the "oh shit, if that swings I need everything untapped" creature is often better.
At least in my experience.
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Any suggestions on some good 1 drops that might fit in this deck? I really don't know many of the cards outside of gatecrash.
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