EPTThe key to multiplayer control is to just have tons of sweepers, card draw, and a few counterspells to keep people honest.
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
The key to multiplayer control is to just have tons of sweepers, card draw, and a few counterspells to keep people honest. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:23 MaestroSC wrote: What do you think about oblivion ring, kinda the same thing as Pacifism, but more expensive... but it also doubles as an enchantment idk guess i need more playing with it to see how often i need more exile type cards Oblivion Ring is pretty nice if it fits in your curve as control option, though if you never play it on anything else aside from creatures, you might consider just putting some Fiend Hunters in (though they die to removal easier they also give another body to drop your enchantments on). Detention Sphere is the big brother of O-Ring if you want to use something like them. Anyways Invisible Stalker is probably one of the nastiest options for creature in a deck like yours, Lyev Skyknight or Skymark Roc are also options if you like fliers, though it's probably easier to just enchant other creatures with spectral flight. | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
On February 27 2013 18:29 bobbob wrote: For multiplayer EDH control, Wrexial works well against people running time warp effects or heavy spell decks. Mimeoplasm works as graveyard hate and a finisher. Thraximundar can keep the board moderately clean. The key to multiplayer control is to just have tons of sweepers, card draw, and a few counterspells to keep people honest. Pff attacking in EDH is overrated  | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gruul-agro-27-02-13-1/ Thinking about taking out the zealots because I won't always have the two mountain maybe get another hell raiser goblin. How do you guys feel about the guild gates? I mean they are nice because of flexibility but they slow down my curve by a turn right? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 27 2013 22:51 Trotske wrote: So here is my revised until I can get my hands on some rakdos and boars http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gruul-agro-27-02-13-1/ Thinking about taking out the zealots because I won't always have the two mountain maybe get another hell raiser goblin. How do you guys feel about the guild gates? I mean they are nice because of flexibility but they slow down my curve by a turn right? Guild gates, I run a couple just in case, but yeah, I hate them compared to real fixing. Uhm, yeah, Ash Zealots cost RR, but they're amazing when your mana heads that way. There's also other times they're good. Like, say, turn 5, when you're about to swing with that Rubblebelt, dropping an Ash Zealot to suddenly have another attacker. You definitely shouldn't be trying to up to a full playset of them until you fix your T1 mana to be less green dependent. Right now it's impossible for you to play a creature on T1 and an Ash Zealot T2, but since you're only at 2 you can always hold them for later turns. That extra guy swinging in on T5 is worth another +1/+1 to your Rubblebelt, and should leave you with mana to Rancor one creature and bloodrush a Ghor-Clan onto another. And that, if you've been chipping on early turns, is frequently going to be swinging for lethal. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Trotske
410 Posts
On February 27 2013 23:38 Judicator wrote: Guildgates are something by necessity and not by choice. Rootbound Crags shouldn't be that expensive so you can probably pick up a set for cheap. I have been looking for some but they are sold out a lot of places and am not sure about buying from Ebay. you know any good places to buy from that might have them? If I buy a playset of the ones from old sets can I still play them in standard? Also What do you guys think about getting rid of the guildmages? I'm thinking they might be a little slow. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 27 2013 23:45 Trotske wrote: I have been looking for some but they are sold out a lot of places and am not sure about buying from Ebay. you know any good places to buy from that might have them? If I buy a playset of the ones from old sets can I still play them in standard? Yeah, a card that's been reprinted standard legal is standard legal. My Rancors are from all over the place. Just check you aren't screwing yourself on pricing with an older one. Oh, also something I should have mentioned: while I'm currently at 21 lands in my variant, I'm thinking about going to 23, just because right now mana screw is a possibility. Although I have won games on 2 mana. You'll just have to playtest your curve. The Guildmages aren't all that exciting, but they're a 2/2 for 2, R/G, so until you get something that is exciting to replace them, keep them for body count. Better to be swinging with a bland creature than curving awkwardly, in an aggro deck. Also, anyone know a support group for recent Drafting addicts? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 27 2013 23:45 Trotske wrote: I have been looking for some but they are sold out a lot of places and am not sure about buying from Ebay. you know any good places to buy from that might have them? If I buy a playset of the ones from old sets can I still play them in standard? Also What do you guys think about getting rid of the guildmages? I'm thinking they might be a little slow. Well if you are going to order stuff online, I would just wait till rotation. The M10 lands have been reprinted twice now and Wizards are on the record that they didn't even want to print them for M13 so the chances of them staying in standard after M14 are next to 0. It's not much to buy at 12 bucks a playset, but it will be pointless for standard after September. In either case, to anyone starting off now, just pick up a playset or close to a playset of Ravanica lands for the next standard. | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
On February 28 2013 00:36 Judicator wrote: Well if you are going to order stuff online, I would just wait till rotation. The M10 lands have been reprinted twice now and Wizards are on the record that they didn't even want to print them for M13 so the chances of them staying in standard after M14 are next to 0. It's not much to buy at 12 bucks a playset, but it will be pointless for standard after September. In either case, to anyone starting off now, just pick up a playset or close to a playset of Ravanica lands for the next standard. which ones are the ravanica lands? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Land value typically spikes up at the start of new Standard rotations, so its good to plan ahead for lands for you to buy low and maybe trade/sell high. They are also pretty useful to have since they transcend a single format whether it be casual play like EDH/Commander or find their way into more eternal formats like Modern. Edit: I don't know about others, but I personally hate building/testing a deck, enjoy it, then have to build it in real life only to find that I missing like 80 dollars worth of cards in lands. Simply put, you can find alternatives (albeit sometimes worse) for other cards, you really can't do that for lands. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On February 27 2013 18:29 bobbob wrote: For multiplayer EDH control, Wrexial works well against people running time warp effects or heavy spell decks. Mimeoplasm works as graveyard hate and a finisher. Thraximundar can keep the board moderately clean. The key to multiplayer control is to just have tons of sweepers, card draw, and a few counterspells to keep people honest. Hmm, Wrexial has been tried by someone else in our casual ring, so I'm thinking I'll steer clear of that one. Mishra is too jokes, but I don't want to get hated out of the circle. Our current generals being used are: Sliver Overlord - my current deck, hence why I need a new one haha, tooo much hate Lorthos, The FRESHmaker - kind of a useless general tbh, but monoblue is fucked. Omniscience is a pretty good card in EDH Karona, False God - there's a 5 colour angel deck already so not gonna use an angel for a gen Sharuum the Hegemon - I really hate this card for some reason Scion of the Ur-Dragon - This was my original EDH deck with Karrthus, but I stopped playing for a while so one of my friends stole all the cards, stole my foil Scion and made it his own EDH. Yawn. Reaper King - This deck can get a little combo'y haha This is our current choices of EDH decks, what do you think is a good option based on that? edit; Thrax and Mime seem fun to me so far. | ||
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JT
Canada24 Posts
I just started running a Jund midrange/control list and it feels that I'm something like a 40/60% dog pre-board and that it's about 50-50 or even 55% for me post-board. Adding a couple of duress, a 3rd rakdos return, a 3rd Primal Hunter, 2 Staff of Nin, a Thundermaw and an Acidic Slime feels quite strong. Just curious about your thoughts. Edit: Forgot to add 3 slaughter games to what I board in. You can see my board is almost totally dedicated to Esper lol | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 28 2013 01:26 JT wrote: Hey Judicator, how do you feel about your Esper matchup vs Jund pre and post board? I just started running a Jund midrange/control list and it feels that I'm something like a 40/60% dog pre-board and that it's about 50-50 or even 55% for me post-board. Adding a couple of duress, a 3rd rakdos return, a 3rd Primal Hunter, 2 Staff of Nin, a Thundermaw and an Acidic Slime feels quite strong. Just curious about your thoughts. Edit: Forgot to add 3 slaughter games to what I board in. You can see my board is almost totally dedicated to Esper lol It's more about who gets what. Like I can stop most Jund draws comfortably if I am aware of the cards. I think the match up is actually in your favor pre-board if you can play around spot removal and not give me free turns by dumping a turn into a Kessig. I think the match up is in your favor post-board since you bring in more cards I have to play around. Planar Cleansing is a card that you need to respect. Basically, I have to respect your Rakdos's Return and you need to respect spot removal for Kessig. The biggest thing is that you want to play your Far Seek on 2 to make your Returns more threatening, you can't not leave me a card in hand since a Revelation is good enough to bring the game back to parity. Slaughter Games I find to be meh, I don't actually need Revelation to win and I think laying an Olivia or Huntmaster will be more problematic for the Esper player since now they have to do something eventually and you can just sit back and wait for the action/tap. If given the choice, I would take SG on 4 than a creature. Again, Planar Cleansing is a card you have to respect if you decide to take this line. Pretty sure this match up is in your favor overall, since you do have a pretty good chance to just win game 1 off of Kessig. Edit: Just to clarify, Planar Cleansing makes your Staff/PWs lines much less threatening and re-centers the game on Kessig + Creature. So if you do want to go in on PWs, make sure they are protected/resilient through redundancy. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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JT
Canada24 Posts
Planar Cleansing is definitely a very relevant card. Garruk is just so good in the MU. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:41 Leonite7 wrote: So my LGS has recently been flooded with aggro decks and I am considering starting up a Naya Midrange deck but I dont have a lot of money to spend on it, are there any good cheap cards you guys recommend I should look out for to try and trade for? I know the mana base is expensive but I can probably buy most of the dual lands and trade for a few of the shocklands. Loxodon Smiter holds off infinity 2/2s and he's $3. Wolfir Silverheart is criminally underappreciated in midrange strategies and he's cheap as hell too. I will say, there is no possible way to play midrange without Thragtusk, so keep in mind you'll need to spend at least $60 in trades for 4 copies. | ||
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
On February 28 2013 04:26 deth2munkies wrote: Loxodon Smiter holds off infinity 2/2s and he's $3. Wolfir Silverheart is criminally underappreciated in midrange strategies and he's cheap as hell too. I will say, there is no possible way to play midrange without Thragtusk, so keep in mind you'll need to spend at least $60 in trades for 4 copies. I already have 1 Thragtusk and I don't know where you are buying your cards but I saw a playset of Thragtusks going for €32.75($43) without shipping. | ||
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