EPTI don't expect you to drop all the money for it though, just look it up for inspiration if you like aura stuff.
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
I don't expect you to drop all the money for it though, just look it up for inspiration if you like aura stuff. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 27 2013 00:22 MaestroSC wrote: my original deck that i theorized and wanted to play was a variation of Melissa Detoro's Wolfrun Bant deck, but I decided against spending so much money building a deck, especially with a new xpac coming in a couple months. I have only just started to play, and atm am just running whatever cards I get from my boosters/the couple drafts that I tried. Don't build that Wolfrun Bant deck. Its a dog in the Esper match and I don't think it can beat Jund ever. In either case, just mess around with the decks and see what kind of deck you like and start gathering lands for the next standard. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:20 Judicator wrote: Spectacle, not even close. None of the others are bomb level and very well be just a 2 drop. You don't have a very good grasp of Boros in this format, apparently. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
The best common in the set is Spectacle, and it's not even close. The best non-rare is up to debate, but Truefire and Guildmage aren't it, good creatures, but not great. If you had Sunhome Guildmage, then sure, but not the paladin and not that Guildmage. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:38 Judicator wrote: I do know that unless you get the nuts Boros deck, you have a pretty shitty deck that just goes 1-2 or 2-1 in a 8 man. You need the curve to make that deck type work. Spectacle P1P1 is easy, Truefire P1P1 not so safe. The best common in the set is Spectacle, and it's not even close. The best non-rare is up to debate, but Truefire and Guildmage aren't it, good creatures, but not great. If you had Sunhome Guildmage, then sure, but not the paladin and not that Guildmage. I like how you say things are not close when most pros would agree that Basilica Screecher is a better first pick than Spectacle. And Truefire Paladin is most certainly better than Sunholme Guildmage. It's simply the best 2-drop in a format defined by 2-drops. No offense, but people like you are the reason why good players don't post advice in threads like these. The same thing happened in the SC2 strategy forum before blue posts were implemented. You quote and argue with opinions of players who are many times more accomplished than you are, and it becomes very frustrating. I don't post in this thread very often, and I don't correct the majority of your misinformation when I see it, so let's just agree to leave each other alone mmkay? | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:10 Judicator wrote: Don't build that Wolfrun Bant deck. Its a dog in the Esper match and I don't think it can beat Jund ever. In either case, just mess around with the decks and see what kind of deck you like and start gathering lands for the next standard. so one deck beats it? idk seems pretty good if Melissa DeToro can go 8-0 with it in a tournament of the best players in the world. Im not saying your'e wrong, but IMO its hard to insult a deck that beats World class level players, and is strong enough to go unbeaten for 8 straight matches against them | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
In either situation, Bant players can play as well as they possibly can and still lose handily. That is not true for Jund. Esper is all over the place depending on the build. I am talking about specific match ups. Tournament records mean very little in this, even if it involve the best players in the world. Now I am also not speaking of 1 match, I am speaking about over the course of many matches. When I say it can't beat Jund ever, I mean like you are at or north of the 2-8 match-up. Knowing the match up helps, which is why you don't see straight match up losses at that level that often. There was 1 Jund in PT Gatecrash top 8. There were a ton in GP Montreal. You might be able to beat or dodge some, but eventually, you are going to get hammered down. My friend who topped 4 at SCG Cincy said the Esper vs. Bant match-up isn't easy, but we both agreed it was a more result of his list than the actual match up. In either case, he still 2-0-ed the match up at top 8. I don't think that list is strong going forward simply because the Jund match up is that bad and simply because Planar Cleansing makes their previously strong lines, much less threatening to Esper. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Note, this is the type of Naya Midrange deck I'm talking about: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/naya-midrange-vgatecrash/ | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
MAIN DECK 2 Angelic Overseer 4 Ash Zealot 3 Boros Reckoner 4 Champion of the Parish 3 Doomed Traveler 2 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight 2 Nearheath Pilgrim 3 Serra Avenger 4 Silverblade Paladin 1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Creatures [28] 1 Aurelia's Fury 2 Boros Charm 2 Pillar of Flame 4 Searing Spear Spells [9] 4 Boros Guildgate 2 Clifftop Retreat 5 Mountain 7 Plains 3 Sacred Foundry 2 Slayers' Stronghold Lands [23] SIDEBOARD 2 Bonds of Faith 1 Boros Charm 3 Elixir of Immortality 3 Skullcrack 3 Smite 3 Spark Trooper What I'm running now, it does "ok" but it falls short sometimes, especially if I can't get a silverblade out. Thinking of dropping 1 Gisela for another overseer, possibly putting in divine reckonings. Something else I keep bouncing around is truefire paladin vs the serra avengers. Also, doomed travelers will become thalias as soon as I can pick them up. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On February 26 2013 16:59 Cel.erity wrote: Truefire Paladin is possibly the best nonrare card in the set, at least best Boros nonrare. On the other hand, staying open seems way more important than usual in this format, so I can respect the spectacle. Same exact thoughts but I took the Truefire Paladin. Might be out of vogue but I still basically force Boros most drafts. I just play it like AVR. Fervent Cathars, Kruin Strikers, Riot Ringleaders were cool. I've heard Black is the best color in GTC but whateves right? Oh I didn't win =| | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:45 Cel.erity wrote: I like how you say things are not close when most pros would agree that Basilica Screecher is a better first pick than Spectacle. And Truefire Paladin is most certainly better than Sunholme Guildmage. It's simply the best 2-drop in a format defined by 2-drops. No offense, but people like you are the reason why good players don't post advice in threads like these. The same thing happened in the SC2 strategy forum before blue posts were implemented. You quote and argue with opinions of players who are many times more accomplished than you are, and it becomes very frustrating. I don't post in this thread very often, and I don't correct the majority of your misinformation when I see it, so let's just agree to leave each other alone mmkay? So I typed up a rebuttal, but in the end I just don't care, all I ask is for people to explain themselves or more accurately their reasoning. For every thing that one pro says, another says something different. So keep it lively, my statements may very well be misinformation, but I do explain it. I still don't agree with Sunhome over Truefire and we can continue that if you want. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 27 2013 07:23 Judicator wrote: So I typed up a rebuttal, but in the end I just don't care, all I ask is for people to explain themselves or more accurately their reasoning. For every thing that one pro says, another says something different. So keep it lively, my statements may very well be misinformation, but I do explain it. I still don't agree with Sunhome over Truefire and we can continue that if you want. It's true, I didn't write up very much reasoning for my point, but basically it comes down to this. The more 2-drops a Boros deck has, the better it is. If you miss on 1 and 2 in a Boros deck, it is incredibly difficult to win. Also, being able to play two threats on turn 4 means they can't time walk you with removal. A perfect Boros curve is like 14 2-drops and 6 3-drops, plus 4 random tricks/reach spells. 3-drops are easy to get, but every deck wants the Boros 2-drops (Syndic, Skyjek, Skinbrand) because they are so good. Spectacle, on the other hand, is replaceable. Personally I agree with you that I think it's the best common, but it's not by a wide margin. Having a random extort creature or slightly worse removal/cipher spell instead is usually not going to break your deck. So, when drafting, it's important to prioritize cards that are especially important in an archetype and in demand by the rest of the table, rather than just evaluating them in a vacuum. As for why Paladin is better than Guildmage, this just isn't a format where you're going to win games by making 20 1/1 tokens. Even in RtR, Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage was often too slow, and that card was way more powerful in a much slower format. Sunholme doesn't help you attack past their blockers in the early turns, which is exactly what Boros needs to do, because the earlier you start trading, the worse your deck gets. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 27 2013 07:28 NotSorry wrote: Am I missing something or does zombies just completely shit on esper control? I can't remember the last time I lost a single game to esper control, let alone a match half the time I can't even think of a best case scenario for them to get a win outside of total mana screws. Yes. Esper is not well equiped to handle Zombies. As for cel.rity I guess its a difference in draft philosophy. Ideal rarely happens but when it does its sweet. So I am more cynical regarding a deck that needs a good curve in this set namely because people tend to snatch your commons and uncommons as penalty for being in one of the deeper guilds. This is why I mentioned the average-ness of some Boros decks that dont quite get there. So I would prioritize staying open since people do not know where they are until maybe 5 or 6 picks in. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 27 2013 08:22 Judicator wrote: Yes. Esper is not well equiped to handle Zombies. As for cel.rity I guess its a difference in draft philosophy. Ideal rarely happens but when it does its sweet. So I am more cynical regarding a deck that needs a good curve in this set namely because people tend to snatch your commons and uncommons as penalty for being in one of the deeper guilds. This is why I mentioned the average-ness of some Boros decks that dont quite get there. So I would prioritize staying open since people do not know where they are until maybe 5 or 6 picks in. Meh, I thought the exact same thing as you before I had enough experience with the set, but I'm pretty sure my bad Boros decks have a higher winrate than my good Simic, Gruul, and Dimir decks. It still feels wrong every time I draft it, but I've gained some confidence that any pile of 2-drops and Act of Treasons will win more than it loses. It also helps that people pass Armored Transport and Millenial Gargoyle super late, and those guys are quite good in Boros. I might still first pick Spectacle for color reasons, but like if it's pick 2 and I already have a Syndic of Tithes in my pile (which goes in both decks but is better in Orzhov), I'm slamming the Truefire Paladin. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 27 2013 08:33 Cel.erity wrote: Meh, I thought the exact same thing as you before I had enough experience with the set, but I'm pretty sure my bad Boros decks have a higher winrate than my good Simic, Gruul, and Dimir decks. It still feels wrong every time I draft it, but I've gained some confidence that any pile of 2-drops and Act of Treasons will win more than it loses. It also helps that people pass Armored Transport and Millenial Gargoyle super late, and those guys are quite good in Boros. I might still first pick Spectacle for color reasons, but like if it's pick 2 and I already have a Syndic of Tithes in my pile (which goes in both decks but is better in Orzhov), I'm slamming the Truefire Paladin. I agree with your last statement, definitely if its second pick in that situation. As for bad Boros versus good Simic/Gruul/Dimir that's more pod dependent I feel simply because Boros is deeper than the those 3 (not much deeper than Gruul but still reasonable), definitely takes something good in any of those 3 guilds to make me actually want to play them. Ben Stark wrote about it after PT Gatecrash, but I think most people at the very least had the feel that Simic and Dimir was pretty boom/bust to drafts dependent on how many people were going for it in your pod. Personally, I just don't like bad Boros decks because the games you don't win, you usually aren't playing Magic for most of it. The other reason is that splashing for a third color in (lower tier) Boros decks seems to be problematic for consistency. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Any thoughts for EDH help gents? | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/first-try-26-02-13-1/ Thinking about replacing Deadbridge Goliath with another slaughterhorn but really not sure. Also want more rubblebelt raiders. Think I might need a response to flying. Any suggestions would be great ! I'm trying to make a deck that could be competitive at Fnm. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On February 27 2013 10:52 Durp wrote: My friends and I have brought back EDH for some more casual playing, and I'm thinking I want to make some semblance of a control deck. I've always had this hard on for Toshiro Umezawa and being able to flashback all my kill spells, but I'm finding it nearly impossible to justify running any general other than Damia, Sage of Stone if I want to play some control. Any thoughts for EDH help gents? You playing multiplayer or 1v1? I played Damia for some time, but didn't really appreciate what green brought to the table. I want to say there are few (most likely more) oppressive things you can do with her, but I don't think any of them are hardlocks. If you want Toshiro's effect have you considered Dralnu? Think fakesteve was playing him as a general if my memory serves me correctly. Also, I don't know about other people's playgroups but control doesn't do much around here. Usually control players are players that don't do anything and just combo out to win, at least around where I live. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 27 2013 11:06 Trotske wrote: Here is my current deck http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/first-try-26-02-13-1/ Thinking about replacing Deadbridge Goliath with another slaughterhorn but really not sure. Also want more rubblebelt raiders. Think I might need a response to flying. Any suggestions would be great ! I'm trying to make a deck that could be competitive at Fnm. Well, "competitive at FNM" seems to vary from place to place, my shop, I expect serious decks from fairly serious players, for the most part. What turn do you want to kill them? I assume early? Burning-Tree helps you flood the board, mostly, since it's basically just free if you use R/G to pay it. That, plus the Rubblebelts and Ghor-Clan strongly suggest you want to swing for lethal on T5 at the latest. In which case, you need to be reliably playing creatures T1-4. Basically, go see all the advice people gave me on a similar deck over the weekend. Regardless of whether I was trying to mess with my Gruul deck at the time (although for some reason those cards ended up being easier to get than stuff for my Dimir deck...) it's still the stuff you'd want to look at. If you're wanting to kill them with something big, you need ways to get there. I'd also suggest looking at Ground Assault. It's basically amazing in a Gruul deck, assuming you have a sensible amount of mana. Here's what I ended up with when I couldn't get Phantasms and Spirals in a timely manner, for Games Day. (Went 1-3, with a win in 2 of the matches I lost.) + Show Spoiler + 1 Slumbering Dragon 4 Experiment One 1 Legion Loyalist 2 Stromkirk Noble 2 Rakdos Cackler 4 Rakdos Shred-Freak 2 Skarrg Guildmage 3 Ash Zealot 2 Flinthoof Boar 3 Pyreheart Wolf 4 Ghor-Clan Rampager 3 Rubblebelt Raiders 4 Rancor 2 Ground Assault 2 Searing Spear 1 Kessig Wolf Run 2 Gruul Guildgate 2 Rootbound Crag 8 Forest 8 Mountain | ||
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