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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
February 02 2011 16:25 GMT
#1721
On February 03 2011 00:42 Ganjamaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 22:39 kazansky wrote:
Funny to see how the Premier League still throws millions of pounds around and about equally good players in Bundesliga don't get transfered because clubs refuse to pay a tenth of the transfer fee value.


Name one player of the same caliber of Torres (World champion) who plays in the Bundesliga who is not on Bayern Munich.


I think he didn't have Torres in mind.

Besides, Torres certainly wasn't responsible for Spain's success. Who knows if he is really worth the money anymore.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
February 02 2011 16:29 GMT
#1722
On February 03 2011 00:42 Ganjamaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 22:39 kazansky wrote:
Funny to see how the Premier League still throws millions of pounds around and about equally good players in Bundesliga don't get transfered because clubs refuse to pay a tenth of the transfer fee value.


Name one player of the same caliber of Torres (World champion) who plays in the Bundesliga who is not on Bayern Munich.



As some others stated, I wasnt talking about players alike of Torres (although Gomez or Dzeko can be compared skillwise I guess), but more the midtier players like Carrol or other Transfers going on.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 16:42:48
February 02 2011 16:39 GMT
#1723
Basically you made a sweeping generalisation based on one player. -_-
I'm really suprised City didn't spend any money. A lot were expecting them to go out and get players but it hasn't really happened.

On February 02 2011 07:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I can't believe Ronaldo is ranked so high. Also I'd take Ince, Solskjaer and Andy Cole over Rooney. Bryan Robson was before my time but he should be on the list over Rooney too imo.

What about Denis Law? He surely deserves a spot.
Like a lot of these lists the newer players have been overrated.
Giggs is good but if you swapped giggs with Charlton in time so that Charlton was playing now, he'd be number1 instead. It's just the way these lists always go.
Ronaldo at 5 when he played 2 great seasons is hmm.....
Edit: thinking about it Cantona at 2 is ever more suprising.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
February 02 2011 17:16 GMT
#1724
Eric Cantona was not only a great player, but I think he is ranked that high given his personality and his identification with the club and its fans. The flying kick into the stands also scores big points in the hearts of fans.

The level of skill in the Bundesliga cannot be compared to the EPL, the EPL is miles and miles ahead of the Bundesliga. Torres is much better than Mario Gomez, he has always played in more demanding leagues than Gomez has (SP, EPL) and has won more titles than Gomez has.

My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
party
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany76 Posts
February 02 2011 17:25 GMT
#1725
On February 03 2011 01:39 Klive5ive wrote:
Basically you made a sweeping generalisation based on one player. -_-
I'm really suprised City didn't spend any money. A lot were expecting them to go out and get players but it hasn't really happened.


they got dzeko (compared to the chelsea/liverpool madness for a bargain)
all the time
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 17:52:11
February 02 2011 17:42 GMT
#1726
On February 03 2011 02:16 Ganjamaster wrote:
Eric Cantona was not only a great player, but I think he is ranked that high given his personality and his identification with the club and its fans. The flying kick into the stands also scores big points in the hearts of fans.

The level of skill in the Bundesliga cannot be compared to the EPL, the EPL is miles and miles ahead of the Bundesliga. Torres is much better than Mario Gomez, he has always played in more demanding leagues than Gomez has (SP, EPL) and has won more titles than Gomez has.




Interesting how you can judge that from all the way down to Argentina. Apart from the top 4 Premier League teams being ahead of the Top 2 of Bundesliga (which are miles ahead, no doubt), the leagues aren't that much seperated in level, as you can also read out of results from European Cups. In fact, in Germany the team at the bottom of the table can win against the leader of the field, in England they get wiped off.

By the way, titles aren't the way to measure a player, hell, even very limited players have like Kuffour have won Champions League.
And even it it was, Torres has won 2 titles (world champion, european champion), Gomez has 3 titles (2x German Champion, 1x German Cup).

Please don't state wrong facts.

Nevertheless, Torres is the better player. I agree.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
CmdrJAGUAR
Profile Joined November 2010
Somalia24 Posts
February 02 2011 17:53 GMT
#1727
Rooney is back!!! Oh, and Torres is not worth 58.5 million euros. Chelsea waayyy overpaid and Liverpool got the better of the deal by getting two young strikers (that will actually play) in Carroll and Suarez. Man U going to take that title back!
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:03:55
February 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#1728
On February 03 2011 02:42 kazansky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 02:16 Ganjamaster wrote:
Eric Cantona was not only a great player, but I think he is ranked that high given his personality and his identification with the club and its fans. The flying kick into the stands also scores big points in the hearts of fans.

The level of skill in the Bundesliga cannot be compared to the EPL, the EPL is miles and miles ahead of the Bundesliga. Torres is much better than Mario Gomez, he has always played in more demanding leagues than Gomez has (SP, EPL) and has won more titles than Gomez has.




Interesting how you can judge that from all the way down to Argentina. Apart from the top 4 Premier League teams being ahead of the Top 2 of Bundesliga (which are miles ahead, no doubt), the leagues aren't that much seperated in level, as you can also read out of results from European Cups. In fact, in Germany the team at the bottom of the table can win against the leader of the field, in England they get wiped off.

By the way, titles aren't the way to measure a player, hell, even very limited players have like Kuffour have won Champions League.
And even it it was, Torres has won 2 titles (world champion, european champion), Gomez has 3 titles (2x German Champion, 1x German Cup).

Please don't state wrong facts.

Nevertheless, Torres is the better player. I agree.


You are not counting the U-19 and U-16 European championships Torres has.

Moreover, German clubs have a combined total of 6 champions league victories (4 by Bayern) whereas Spain and Italy have 12 (9 Real Madrid), (7 AC Milan) and England has 11 (5 Liverpool).

Thus we see the other european leagues have double the amount of ECL victories than German clubs have historically, thus making these leagues more competitive across the board.

And yes, we do get European football "down here" in Argentina.
My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:23:53
February 02 2011 18:21 GMT
#1729
On February 03 2011 03:03 Ganjamaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 02:42 kazansky wrote:
On February 03 2011 02:16 Ganjamaster wrote:
Eric Cantona was not only a great player, but I think he is ranked that high given his personality and his identification with the club and its fans. The flying kick into the stands also scores big points in the hearts of fans.

The level of skill in the Bundesliga cannot be compared to the EPL, the EPL is miles and miles ahead of the Bundesliga. Torres is much better than Mario Gomez, he has always played in more demanding leagues than Gomez has (SP, EPL) and has won more titles than Gomez has.




Interesting how you can judge that from all the way down to Argentina. Apart from the top 4 Premier League teams being ahead of the Top 2 of Bundesliga (which are miles ahead, no doubt), the leagues aren't that much seperated in level, as you can also read out of results from European Cups. In fact, in Germany the team at the bottom of the table can win against the leader of the field, in England they get wiped off.

By the way, titles aren't the way to measure a player, hell, even very limited players have like Kuffour have won Champions League.
And even it it was, Torres has won 2 titles (world champion, european champion), Gomez has 3 titles (2x German Champion, 1x German Cup).

Please don't state wrong facts.

Nevertheless, Torres is the better player. I agree.


You are not counting the U-19 and U-16 European championships Torres has.

Moreover, German clubs have a combined total of 6 champions league victories (4 by Bayern) whereas Spain and Italy have 12 (9 Real Madrid), (7 AC Milan) and England has 11 (5 Liverpool).

Thus we see the other european leagues have double the amount of ECL victories than German clubs have historically, thus making these leagues more competitive across the board.

And yes, we do get European football "down here" in Argentina.


Nice quotations of success, lets also list in here teams like Ajax Amsterdam and Benfica Lissabon, man they have titles. Please.

No I didnt count youth titles, they never get counted apart from some not to be mentioned brazilian striker needs 1000 goals to point out :-)

And I didnt refer to historical success of the leagues, and never will, because it was never the topic.
You are totally spot on in how not successful german teams are in Europe when it comes to titles.
Correct. I would never contradict.

And I know that you get European Football, but I doubt you have experienced many games of Bundesliga, or Wolverhampton versus Stoke. If you do, my fault. But I don't think so.
As I only get some games of Copa Libertadores, and don't care for the rest, you aswell will not care for some random league game, or group stage in Euro League.

But, let me say you, Germany has scored almost equal points in Eurocups than English and Spanish teams have and thus have climbed on third spot in European Ladder, that determines the CL starter spots. Which is not for no reason, just don't underestimate a league you don't know because you haven't heard of the players in there.

Which is not even the point and I never said that Bundesliga is equal to Premier League. What I said is that, also due to investment restrictions in Germany contradictory to Spain or England, no teams invested drastic amounts of money for any players, although there are young, good players around.

Just numbers, the Bundesliga moved 125 Million Euros in winter transfer window, with Dzeko with 38 millions from ManCity the main portion.
On the other hand, Premier League, 430 Million Euros, multiple double digit million transfers.
Numbers are earnings + investments, just the cash flow.
(On a sidenote, Bundesliga clubs are financially healthy, Premier League clubs are mainly in huge debt.)

Thats what I meant, nothing else.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
February 02 2011 18:31 GMT
#1730
On February 03 2011 02:53 CmdrJAGUAR wrote:
Rooney is back!!! Oh, and Torres is not worth 58.5 million euros. Chelsea waayyy overpaid and Liverpool got the better of the deal by getting two young strikers (that will actually play) in Carroll and Suarez. Man U going to take that title back!


Perhaps we should see how he plays before deciding it was a waste of money? If he played last night against Sunderland he probably would have put away all the chances kalou missed...

Ps. wasn't Rooney back last year when he scored that penalty
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
February 02 2011 18:33 GMT
#1731
You mofos don't understand how much I want to be in Europe right now. You guy shave Eurosports and all these crazy channels, while in America I have literally no means of watching football. Can't wait till Bosnia and I'm going to be watching football alllllll day :D
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
February 02 2011 18:46 GMT
#1732
On February 03 2011 03:21 kazansky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 03:03 Ganjamaster wrote:
On February 03 2011 02:42 kazansky wrote:
On February 03 2011 02:16 Ganjamaster wrote:
Eric Cantona was not only a great player, but I think he is ranked that high given his personality and his identification with the club and its fans. The flying kick into the stands also scores big points in the hearts of fans.

The level of skill in the Bundesliga cannot be compared to the EPL, the EPL is miles and miles ahead of the Bundesliga. Torres is much better than Mario Gomez, he has always played in more demanding leagues than Gomez has (SP, EPL) and has won more titles than Gomez has.




Interesting how you can judge that from all the way down to Argentina. Apart from the top 4 Premier League teams being ahead of the Top 2 of Bundesliga (which are miles ahead, no doubt), the leagues aren't that much seperated in level, as you can also read out of results from European Cups. In fact, in Germany the team at the bottom of the table can win against the leader of the field, in England they get wiped off.

By the way, titles aren't the way to measure a player, hell, even very limited players have like Kuffour have won Champions League.
And even it it was, Torres has won 2 titles (world champion, european champion), Gomez has 3 titles (2x German Champion, 1x German Cup).

Please don't state wrong facts.

Nevertheless, Torres is the better player. I agree.


You are not counting the U-19 and U-16 European championships Torres has.

Moreover, German clubs have a combined total of 6 champions league victories (4 by Bayern) whereas Spain and Italy have 12 (9 Real Madrid), (7 AC Milan) and England has 11 (5 Liverpool).

Thus we see the other european leagues have double the amount of ECL victories than German clubs have historically, thus making these leagues more competitive across the board.

And yes, we do get European football "down here" in Argentina.


Nice quotations of success, lets also list in here teams like Ajax Amsterdam and Benfica Lissabon, man they have titles. Please.

No I didnt count youth titles, they never get counted apart from some not to be mentioned brazilian striker needs 1000 goals to point out :-)

And I didnt refer to historical success of the leagues, and never will, because it was never the topic.
You are totally spot on in how not successful german teams are in Europe when it comes to titles.
Correct. I would never contradict.

And I know that you get European Football, but I doubt you have experienced many games of Bundesliga, or Wolverhampton versus Stoke. If you do, my fault. But I don't think so.
As I only get some games of Copa Libertadores, and don't care for the rest, you aswell will not care for some random league game, or group stage in Euro League.

But, let me say you, Germany has scored almost equal points in Eurocups than English and Spanish teams have and thus have climbed on third spot in European Ladder, that determines the CL starter spots. Which is not for no reason, just don't underestimate a league you don't know because you haven't heard of the players in there.

Which is not even the point and I never said that Bundesliga is equal to Premier League. What I said is that, also due to investment restrictions in Germany contradictory to Spain or England, no teams invested drastic amounts of money for any players, although there are young, good players around.

Just numbers, the Bundesliga moved 125 Million Euros in winter transfer window, with Dzeko with 38 millions from ManCity the main portion.
On the other hand, Premier League, 430 Million Euros, multiple double digit million transfers.
Numbers are earnings + investments, just the cash flow.
(On a sidenote, Bundesliga clubs are financially healthy, Premier League clubs are mainly in huge debt.)

Thats what I meant, nothing else.


I agree with you 100%, I am sorry for the confusion on my part.

For completeness sake, I did not include other teams as we were comparing the German league to other top leagues. I do not consider the dutch or portuguese leagues to be top leagues either, but I do agree the Bundesliga is at least one step ahead of both these leagues.

My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
February 02 2011 18:58 GMT
#1733
Shit man my rojadirecta and atdhe.net are gonna be down for awhile, where do you guys catch the streams at?
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
February 02 2011 19:00 GMT
#1734
Anyone else gona watch Barca vs Almeria right now :D?
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
February 02 2011 19:04 GMT
#1735
ROJADIRECTA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
February 02 2011 19:05 GMT
#1736
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4b928a2896938

thank me later
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
February 02 2011 21:10 GMT
#1737
http://myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=football
http://www.allsport-live.ru/eng/
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
February 02 2011 21:21 GMT
#1738
Suarez on at 62mins for his debut at Liverpool.....
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
February 02 2011 21:37 GMT
#1739
........ and he scores on debut, 78 mins
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
February 02 2011 21:38 GMT
#1740
And Suarez scores on his debut!!
Dribbles the GK and the defender almost keeps it out.
End my suffering
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