EPTOn August 03 2011 23:33 Logo wrote:
If you've ever played Guild Wars it's that basically.
If you've ever played Guild Wars it's that basically.
Definitely a good comparison regarding the skill system. And I loved Guild Wars, so....
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
Definitely a good comparison regarding the skill system. And I loved Guild Wars, so.... | ||
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
On August 03 2011 23:12 Wesso wrote: Wait, so the info about there being only 3 passives and 8 actives was false? Or more to the point, no skill points but you do get to choose skills? Damn, did I misunderstand that bit  As far as I know it hasn't changed. You get 6 actives and 3 passives. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
Auction house: dont use it, diablo 3 has no consistent world, you play with a bunch of friends and if they use it and you dont like it talk to them. Diablo 3 isnt about pvp so gear does not matter. Skills: its a new and intersting feature and I dont think it is a bad shot. In WoW you could simply respec and got other talents, in Diablo 2 respecc was also implemented, so why implement such a speccing system anyway if people respecc that much and simply give them more freedom of choice. All this bitching and moaning is bad especially when nobody actually played it or confuses diablo with WoW or some other game. | ||
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zipz0p
United States123 Posts
On August 03 2011 20:13 DaCruise wrote: Pre 1.13 it was pretty much impossible to get a Zod from a drop. I played D2 a lot and the highest rune I ever got pre 1.13 was a Mal. I got it twice actually but one was in singleplayer. I have seen a Lo drop in multiplayer but unfortunatly I didnt get my hands on it. My friend kicked a basket and dropped a vex in D2 1.10  I got a Mal or two and maybe as high as a Ber from Hell Forge. | ||
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Krowser
Canada788 Posts
On August 03 2011 23:47 Holy_AT wrote: I really can not understand why so many people are hating on some of the diablo III features. Auction house: dont use it, diablo 3 has no consistent world, you play with a bunch of friends and if they use it and you dont like it talk to them. Diablo 3 isnt about pvp so gear does not matter. Skills: its a new and intersting feature and I dont think it is a bad shot. In WoW you could simply respec and got other talents, in Diablo 2 respecc was also implemented, so why implement such a speccing system anyway if people respecc that much and simply give them more freedom of choice. All this bitching and moaning is bad especially when nobody actually played it or confuses diablo with WoW or some other game. There's a respec option in D2??? | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
Yep they added it in the last major patch. | ||
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Solai
204 Posts
On August 03 2011 22:42 trainRiderJ wrote: Some good info on diablo.incgamers.com today, hopefully we can have more real discussions about the game... List of passive and active skills Very thorough and well-done beta preview A ton of bashiok quotes and good info Wow, thanks for those links. I really liked Bashioks explanation of the skill system! | ||
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PJFrylar
United States350 Posts
#1) Numbers of skills/passives vary quite a bit from class to class. A small difference is understandable, but there is a pretty sizeable difference in that list. Barbarian (high) has like 10 more combined than the monk (low). #2) A lot of those passives listed sound pretty boring, especially considering you only get to pick 3. In Bashiok's quote he said they wanted the passives to feel impactful. However, a large portion of the list seems bland and not game changing, things like small damage increases or small movement speed buff in certain scenarios. I will say that some of the list does look pretty damned sweet though. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
On August 04 2011 00:37 FireBearHero wrote: Hmmm I hope that list of passive skills isn't final. #1) Numbers of skills/passives vary quite a bit from class to class. A small difference is understandable, but there is a pretty sizeable difference in that list. Barbarian (high) has like 10 more combined than the monk (low). #2) A lot of those passives listed sound pretty boring, especially considering you only get to pick 3. In Bashiok's quote he said they wanted the passives to feel impactful. However, a large portion of the list seems bland and not game changing, things like small damage increases or small movement speed buff in certain scenarios. I will say that some of the list does look pretty damned sweet though. Damage increase depends on when the percentage is applied. If it's after all your other buffs and abilities, that would be pretty big at max level. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
It sounds like the runestone feature isn't as finished as I thought, which is...disappointing. I more or less agree with Bashiok's point of view. | ||
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PJFrylar
United States350 Posts
On August 04 2011 01:03 trainRiderJ wrote: Damage increase depends on when the percentage is applied. If it's after all your other buffs and abilities, that would be pretty big at max level. Well what I mean is that they are game changing in the way they alter the way you play, not really just being viable. I probably shouldn't have used the word small in front of damage increases. Things that look more interesting to me would be, taking the monk as an example: + Show Spoiler + Frenzied attack (level 13): When wielding two weapons, the Monk has 20% increased critical strike chance and 30% increased critical strike damage. Untouchable (level 19): After dealing a critical strike, increases dodge chance by 10% for 10 seconds. Counterattack (level 20): When the Monk dodges an attack, the next skill has its Spirit cost reduced by 40%. A combo like this could change the way you play. By concentrating on critical strikes you can squeeze out more abilities that require spirit. But I suppose you need other things like straight forward damage builds to be the flip side of the play style. | ||
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
It's hard (impossible) to theorycraft at this point without full descriptions of all the active skills though, so I really haven't given any particular combinations much thought to be honest. | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On August 04 2011 02:01 FireBearHero wrote: Well what I mean is that they are game changing in the way they alter the way you play, not really just being viable. I probably shouldn't have used the word small in front of damage increases. Things that look more interesting to me would be, taking the monk as an example: + Show Spoiler + Frenzied attack (level 13): When wielding two weapons, the Monk has 20% increased critical strike chance and 30% increased critical strike damage. Untouchable (level 19): After dealing a critical strike, increases dodge chance by 10% for 10 seconds. Counterattack (level 20): When the Monk dodges an attack, the next skill has its Spirit cost reduced by 40%. A combo like this could change the way you play. By concentrating on critical strikes you can squeeze out more abilities that require spirit. But I suppose you need other things like straight forward damage builds to be the flip side of the play style. Lmao, these all sound like direct WoW ability ports. Hell..when you think about it..that's what this is now. Especially since you can't even play offline. Then again, the line between Diablo II and WoW isn't exactly too thick either.. | ||
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trainRiderJ
United States615 Posts
On August 04 2011 02:11 TheGlassface wrote: Lmao, these all sound like direct WoW ability ports. Hell..when you think about it..that's what this is now. Especially since you can't even play offline. Then again, the line between Diablo II and WoW isn't exactly too thick either.. 2009 called, they want their argument back. Anyways, I think it's safe to assume that both the active and passive skill lists that I linked aren't complete. There's at least one witch doctor skill (fireskull or whatever its' named) confirmed to be in the beta that's not in the list. Also, there's a big difference in the number of skills for each class. | ||
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
On August 04 2011 01:58 trainRiderJ wrote: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blue-on-the-potential-runestone-revision It sounds like the runestone feature isn't as finished as I thought, which is...disappointing. I more or less agree with Bashiok's point of view. As long as they put affixes on the runes then I will be happy. This way you will always be looking for rune upgrades throughout your entire time playing the game. If there weren't affixes, then once you got a rank 7 rune for whirlwind, then you would never have to worry about finding another rune for whirlwind...which means you'd have less reason to play the game. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
Some of the things i'm reading about their plans for pvp absolutely blow my mind in the worst way possible. I think the core of the problem is the pressure to cater to mass casuals to make more money. The vast majority of the problems with starcraft 2/battlenet are related to this (though not all of them), and a number of the things i'm seeing wrong with diablo are also related. | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
This desn't look like blizzard to rush things like that. But we're having some infos about gameplay that change from one day to another. I know that Beta isn't the final product but the core mechanics should have been setted before Beta. When SC2 beta came out, they just had to refine some numbers (dmg, armor, life ,speed, range..) D3 beta will come out but the rune system isn't half way done, they are lacking a large number of skills on some chars, constant changes in gameplay... they should call it alpha version because I think they still have a ton of work to do on the product and a 9 month beta is not realistic. I might be totally wrong but when I see all the contradicting infos they released in a month, I cant help to think that the game still needs developpement. Am I the only one thinking that ? | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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