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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 06:30:05
August 01 2011 06:29 GMT
#2421
What is NDA? :-)

Edit: nvm google has answered that.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 06:30:38
August 01 2011 06:29 GMT
#2422
On August 01 2011 15:25 King of Kings wrote:
So what happens at 9am? NDA is lifted? So all Fansites will release a bunch of new Infos?


Probably.


On August 01 2011 15:29 Reasonable wrote:
What is NDA? :-)

Edit: nvm google has answered that.


Non-disclosure agreement
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
King of Kings
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany481 Posts
August 01 2011 06:30 GMT
#2423
Non-Disclosure Agreement
Fan of: MarineKingPrime.WE | MVP_Keen | LiquidTLO | oGs.MC
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
August 01 2011 06:42 GMT
#2424
So is there going to be a huge stream in like 20 mins? is that what i've been hearing? I've been lurking these chat streams and i'm not entirely sure whats going on. NDA lifts in 20 minutes, is there something planned for that, or is it just going to be a shitfest of information hitting the net all at once.
Proud member of the LGA-1366 Core-i7 4Ghz Club
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3516 Posts
August 01 2011 06:43 GMT
#2425
On August 01 2011 15:42 Phayze wrote:
So is there going to be a huge stream in like 20 mins? is that what i've been hearing? I've been lurking these chat streams and i'm not entirely sure whats going on. NDA lifts in 20 minutes, is there something planned for that, or is it just going to be a shitfest of information hitting the net all at once.

The shit-fest part.


Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 07:07:50
August 01 2011 06:58 GMT
#2426
On August 01 2011 14:22 vlf wrote:

The point is that given that hacking hasn't be stopped, it's safe to assume that Blizzard will probably not be successful this time around as well. It doesn't imply certainty, obviously, but it's the most likely outcome given past scenarios. I was hinting at the possibility of hacking being more rewarding due to the ease of translating virtual goods to real, tangible ones. I'm not sure why you think this makes no sense at all or why you chose to focus on Blizzard minimizing hacking, which is arguable at best. Sure, they try -- it's in their best interest -- but that hardly means a thing when hacking is quite rampant, even more so on games where farming is a sort of, say, crux, like WoW.


It doesn't make sense because the amount of hacking is important, not whether or not hacking occurs; people can hack GMail too, but since hacking is rare, Gmail isn't a failure of a product. This distinction wasn't drawn or even implied in your previous post, which is why it doesn't make sense.

Your "hinting" is wholly reliant on the second paragraph, which I've already explained has weird issues. And when I say "best interest", I mean "best interest" to Blizzard, not to you or me; systems exist that would make sure Blizzard directly profits off of banning hacking accounts at the worst possible time for a hacker. Apart from said systems, it's not like you'll be able to keygen your way out of rebuying Diablo for free the next time around.

These systems aren't exactly possible in WoW, unless they've implemented legitimate real money auction houses in the last twenty-four hours.

On August 01 2011 14:22 vlf wrote:
As far as the second paragraph goes, I believe that illegitimate sites MIGHT be reduced to very few key communities which might limit themselves to setting up dummy transactions on, for example, forums such that they would, then, use Blizzard's system whilst avoiding higher royalty fees - removing a barrier to market flooding and setting themselves up without much of an investment.


How would you use Blizzard's system to reduce Blizzard's royalty fees? Royalty fees are always built into the price an item is sold at in any game, you can't avoid them without doing normal trading. And if you're doing normal trading, you'll need to build and enforce your own system to keep people from running off with your item (or running off with your money) during a trade; Blizzard isn't exactly going to care if someone scams you this way. This isn't free; it takes time or money or both to set up and maintain. And if it's automated and built into D3, consumers had better pray that Warden doesn't detect it.

Mor importantly, if groups have to build their own systems, why would a group with a smaller customer base be able to lower operating costs further than a group with a larger customer base? Why would any illegitimate site be able to financially outcompete Blizzard's auction house? This goes completely against economies of scale. And since free lunches don't exist in real life, there's always a price to the user somewhere, be it in time, lost transactions, or, as you said, malware.

Now, I'm positive that small illegitimate sites will continue to exist due to loyalty or something. But if illegitimate markets decrease in size due to a drop in demand, the amount of funds that are launderable also decreases, which further decreases the productivity of hacking. Hardly the portent of a hacking apocalypse.

On August 01 2011 14:22 vlf wrote:
I actually never claimed that what I was saying was gospel and I made it quite clear when I, myself, mentioned that we still do not by any chance know how the system will work. It was mere speculation given a very simple framework and basic assumptions. I don't really get how or why you'd even bother to point this out in the first place after I had put a disclaimer up on this same issue.


You seem very sure that this real-money auction house will herald bad stuff. Fortunately, it really, really depends on how it's done. If done badly, Hell comes early. If done well...yay.
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
August 01 2011 07:03 GMT
#2427
I'm making this list here for a few reasons... Reddit makes people's sites crash and I'm hoping you guys read this instead of giving incgamers more traffic since they leaked the information out early (which is a pretty shitty thing to do for those of us who play by the rules - very unprofessional IMO).
Anyway, here's the main details I took from the event:
We weren't given a beta start date. Beta does look to be coming soon though - I'd expect an announcement at the investor conference call on August 3 by Mike Morhaim. My guess is sometime this month.
The game doesn't look overly "ready" at this point. I will be surprised if they hit a 2011 release date.
The game is online only. No offline characters (I'm expecting this to be rather controversial in the community)
2 different kinds of auction houses will be in the game.
1 auction house is virtual money for items. So you'll be able to trade for items with in game currency.
The other auction house is to use real currency. This is player to player transaction (NOT Blizzard selling items - they made this very clear at the event). There is an unknown to us at this time 3rd party that Blizzard will be working with. They will be taking a cut in the sales. Blizzard is doing this because they realized the market was there in Diablo and Diablo 2 and the scamming that went with it. In this way they can control it (and what they didn't tell us but is obvious, capitalize on it).
Beta will have all 5 classes and will be able to play through the campaign through King Leoric. Basically the same thing we mostly saw at events like Blizzcon.
There will be a shared stash between your characters on your account.
There will be a hardcore mode. Same as Diablo 2. You will not be able to use the real currency auction house in hardcore mode.
It doesn't appear there will be a console release of the game when it goes live. Mac and PC will come out at the same time (duh). Not to say they won't release on a console in the future but it won't be with the initial release.
There's more information I'll be adding soon (running out of time and need to make sure our articles publish at 12:01) - so I'll be adding more here. Feel free to add some more in this threads comments on some of the big stuff I may have missed... but so far the ones I mentioned were the biggest that were up for discussion at the event on Wednesday.
If anyone wants - we host/own http://blizzplanet.com - we make literally nothing off the website (in fact we lose hundreds every year to pay for hosting, airline tickets and hotel rooms for events, etc.). It's a labor of love to us and we've been doing this for 10 years now. There's more info posted there with more in depth FAQs, screen shots, videos, etc.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/j5hbb/nda_has_lifted_heres_the_main_points_from_the/

from reddit

I am down but I am far from over
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 01 2011 07:03 GMT
#2428
http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/previews/137616.Diablo-III/

http://kotaku.com/5825580/blizzard-will-let-you-sell-your-diablo-iii-loot-for-real-money

http://d3db.com/feature/pressevent2011

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/j5hbb/nda_has_lifted_heres_the_main_points_from_the/

http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1185020p1.html

Just a few
PepperoniPiZZa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 07:04:17
August 01 2011 07:04 GMT
#2429


Quote?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
August 01 2011 07:04 GMT
#2430
Guess its worth linking all the sites with info:
http://kotaku.com/5825580/blizzard-will-let-you-sell-your-diablo-iii-loot-for-real-money
http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/j5hbb/nda_has_lifted_heres_the_main_points_from_the/
http://d3db.com/feature/pressevent2011
http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1185020p1.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsgs1Q0d3s&feature=player_embedded
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
August 01 2011 07:05 GMT
#2431
http://www.diablofans.com/

Has a good article with everything
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
August 01 2011 07:06 GMT
#2432
"Can I play on a server without a currency-based version of the auction house?

We want to provide a secure, fun environment for our players to purchase and sell in-game items using gold or real money and have no plans to divide the community. Players are free to participate in the gold-based auction house or the currency-based auction house, or to opt out of using any of the auction houses at all, progressing through Diablo III using only the items they obtain through their own adventures or direct trade with other players."

Ugh. Was hoping there'd be RMT free servers. Sigh...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51455 Posts
August 01 2011 07:08 GMT
#2433
ha I will sell my loot,to make enough money for HoTS.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 01 2011 07:09 GMT
#2434
On August 01 2011 16:06 Juvant wrote:
"Can I play on a server without a currency-based version of the auction house?

We want to provide a secure, fun environment for our players to purchase and sell in-game items using gold or real money and have no plans to divide the community. Players are free to participate in the gold-based auction house or the currency-based auction house, or to opt out of using any of the auction houses at all, progressing through Diablo III using only the items they obtain through their own adventures or direct trade with other players."

Ugh. Was hoping there'd be RMT free servers. Sigh...


The quote box above says that you can't use it in Hardcore mode
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 07:10:50
August 01 2011 07:10 GMT
#2435
Hardcore people don't have a Hardcore Auction House?

****, even if it isn't surprising. That'd been a very high risk-reward way to make money...almost like Eve Corp.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
August 01 2011 07:10 GMT
#2436
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

Good info there.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
August 01 2011 07:11 GMT
#2437
botting just became a profession
The Show of a Lifetime
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
August 01 2011 07:14 GMT
#2438
Bought WC2, WC3, TFT, D1, D2, WoW and all expansions prior to Cata. No plans on buying D3. I hate to be "that guy", but I can't help but feel morally bothered by Blizzard's decision to include RMT.

I understand that it exists outside the game. That was never a problem for me. The problem is that Blizzard chooses to support it. As materialistic as society is, I don't need this in my video games. The point was to get away from that. Yeah, business stand point and all that, it makes complete sense. I just don't personally feel comfortable with playing a game made by those who support such a thing. In addition, the exclusion of single-player is extremely disappointing. I spent so many years playing D2 and dueling, and that is where I met most of the people I play online with today (from way back in 2002~). Sad day for me, but a lot of the news (actual gameplay information) seems to be good for people who still intend to play.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 07:16:04
August 01 2011 07:15 GMT
#2439
ROFL

blizzard is now selling "gold" for Diablo 3. Awesome. but its even more direct in basically setting up an ebay type marketplace with in the game.

I'm not buying this game.

GW2 it is
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
August 01 2011 07:15 GMT
#2440
i really dont like the direction games are going lately.
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