Civilization V + DLC's, G&K, BNW - Page 66

On September 19 2012 03:40 Sitinte wrote:
Absolutely felt the need to post this here, after seeing it in the SFW Random Pics thread in the General section. Highly relevant.

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On September 19 2012 12:20 screamingpalm wrote:
I just gave this game another try, had bought it awhile ago and absolutely hated it. Couldn't even make it through the tutorial before I uninstalled. This time around I liked it a little more, but just not sure if it's for me. I think I've played too many ultra-historical, deep and complex monster strategy games and this just feels too on-rails and unrealistic. It kills me when civs get Great Persons or Wonders that make no sense or are random, but I understand that this isn't supposed to be that sort of game (still an immersion killer though lol).

Have only played the learn-as-you-go tutorial and a scenario so far. Was hoping the scenarios at least would have been more historical, but meh. Still going to try some more, and maybe it will be fun as a multiplayer ahistorical challenge with some historic "flavor".

On September 19 2012 12:57 NicolBolas wrote:


No Civilization game has ever been accused of being historically accurate. Indeed, that's the entire point; it's an alternate history, from the earliest of human civilization to its end-point. What good is playing through real history when we know how it ends?

Besides, what good is a Civ game if Gandhi doesn't start threatening you with nuclear weapons?

On September 19 2012 13:52 screamingpalm wrote:


lol yeah I know, it's totally me and not the game. :D
Although I was hoping the scenarios would be a little less random with Great Persons etc. At least the Wonders seem to be limited.

The one thing that bugs me is how on rails the strategy feels, but maybe it's different in higher difficulty levels? Admittedly, I haven't played it much yet.

On September 19 2012 14:01 xDaunt wrote:

Civ V strategy doesn't really come together very well until you're at the point where you're playing at emperor/immortal level. Hell, once you really understand the game, it isn't very fun to play below immortal.

On September 19 2012 14:05 screamingpalm wrote:


Thanks, I'll give some more time then. Are advisors still around at higher levels? It just seems like they hold your hand and tell you what to optimally do every turn. Not sure if this is how it is at higher difficulty levels or not? (Maybe I'm still too noob at the game to understand if there is more depth to it).
Cheers.

On September 19 2012 15:37 rezoacken wrote:
Am I the only one that feels the diplomacy AI just doesn't make any sense and feels pure random ? Long time allies that you gave their capital back that declare war on you, people that are friendly after a war where you captured/razed a few of their cities, same religions attacks... Can people really forge strong alliances with the AI that lasts throughout the game (the alliances in the late eras seems kind of stable somehow). I mean I'm okayish when Napoleon stabs me in the back but Gandhi or Isabella ?

This kinda break the game to me :/ I really love it and have put around 120H in it but after a few games at deity/immortal where the AI is just nuts it starts to remove one of the most interesting part of the civs games.

On September 20 2012 02:20 xDaunt wrote:
DoWs aren't random. You can always see what you have done to piss off the other side by looking at the negative relationship modifiers. More often than not, though, war typically comes as a result of you having a comparatively weaker military than the other Civ. Pay attention to what your military advisor says about the relative strength of your army as compared to the armies of your neighbors.

Don't treat player as a deal breaker just for going to war with a player again.

Resurrecting a player will have both sides forget any denouncing that happened before resurrected.

New peace deals. Now 9 AI levels instead of the previous 5 (so one new level added between each of the earlier ones). Peace levels are now:

0: White Peace (give up nothing)
1: Armistice (1/2 gold, 1/2 of max GPT)
2: Settlement (all gold, max GPT)
3: Back-down (all luxuries, all gold, max GPT, open borders)
4: Submission (all resources, all gold, max GPT, open borders)
5: Surrender (one city)
6: Cession (1/4 city value, 1/2 gold)
7: Capitulation (1/3 city value, all gold)
8: Unconditional Surrender (all but capital, all gold)

With making deals, AIs will notify you when they're not willing to give enough on their side to make the deal work. This addresses some issues where you ask an AI to propose a deal and they say "we can't make a deal" and then you propose a lop-sided deal and they accept it. They will say "we aren't willing to give you enough to make this a fair trade."