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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Sub40APM
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
The thing is, the more you expand, the more science techs cost, the less population your capitol has and the later you will finish your National College. And also, the more you expand, the more likely the AI is to declare war on you, surely destroying your trade routes (the 2nd most important way to catch up in science - after spies). So you will find yourself with about 50% literacy vs. 60% even at the best of times imo, I currently have a game going where I was isolated on a massive continent with Mt. Sinai as England (probably the best possible conditions for wide empire), but despite that I caught up in science only in modern era, after slingshotting Radio. It will be a very difficult win. Instead, you can just get 4 cities, get 3 cargo ships creating food from thin air in your capitol and get 57 size capitol by the end of the game. And probably avoid wars because you keep a low profile. Talking about single player here, no idea about how multiplayer goes. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6185 Posts
On July 30 2013 12:48 Sub40APM wrote: Shoshone are the kings of the game, lords of all, the most broken civilization known to man. Ceasar is pretty nice to expand early too. | ||
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sc_a.M
420 Posts
if they would fix the unit upgrade, instead of a composite a normal bow they would be alright. But technically you can have 3 composites before the opponent even has archers, and everyone knows how easy composites take cities. That's indeed kinda broken (and they are composites with 2 movement no matter what, fuck). | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 30 2013 13:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Ah, I'm always thinking in terms of multiplayer. in mp you can still use offensive cities to choke off people, especially if there is cultural gap between their two cities. but yes, against human a shoshone shouldnt be able to get more than 2-3 huts. but even that. Thats +1 pop +20 culture and either a tech or a pantheon. So ya, Indonesia...what do you guys do with them? Unless its small continents or archepelago you might, at most, get lucky and find two islands that arent colonized so you have 2 nutmegs and 2 cloves...and a bunch of swordsmen with a *roll random for either benefit or horrible horrible pain* I guess the Cind thingy is kind of nice because if you get 2-3 religion spammers you can have a pretty high religion generation to buy stuff later in the game. | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
That is why, if you DoW more than 1 city state and steal their worker, the other CS will hate you and not give you gold. If you really want 2 workers from CS then steal 1 and NOT make peace, come back in 10 turns and steal another worker. Just don't declare war twice on CS | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On July 30 2013 13:13 Scip wrote: Don't take my word for it, I've won only a couple Deity games so far, but I've never had success with any wide strategies, even when isolated. The thing is, the more you expand, the more science techs cost, the less population your capitol has and the later you will finish your National College. And also, the more you expand, the more likely the AI is to declare war on you, surely destroying your trade routes (the 2nd most important way to catch up in science - after spies). So you will find yourself with about 50% literacy vs. 60% even at the best of times imo, I currently have a game going where I was isolated on a massive continent with Mt. Sinai as England (probably the best possible conditions for wide empire), but despite that I caught up in science only in modern era, after slingshotting Radio. It will be a very difficult win. Instead, you can just get 4 cities, get 3 cargo ships creating food from thin air in your capitol and get 57 size capitol by the end of the game. And probably avoid wars because you keep a low profile. Talking about single player here, no idea about how multiplayer goes. Yes in my opinion the tech cost for expanding should change, there should be a draw back but a flat 5percent for every city feels too harsh. Aand Im not sure about being able to grow another city with noloss of food from the originating city... feels a bit broken imo. And AI need to feel more threatening again. I shouldnt be able to get away with creating no units at all | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12267 Posts
On July 31 2013 05:18 rezoacken wrote: Yes in my opinion the tech cost for expanding should change, there should be a draw back but a flat 5percent for every city feels too harsh. Aand Im not sure about being able to grow another city with noloss of food from the originating city... feels a bit broken imo. There's an opportunity cost there, though. You're giving up the potential Gold, Science, and Religious Pressure from trading with a City-State or another Civ. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On July 31 2013 05:23 Excalibur_Z wrote: There's an opportunity cost there, though. You're giving up the potential Gold, Science, and Religious Pressure from trading with a City-State or another Civ. Yeah i know but i still dont like the mechanic, I feel it would be better if it was a real transfer | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
So far I heard it was Babylon and Spain. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On July 31 2013 05:39 Emnjay808 wrote: What are the top tier civs to play. So far I heard it was Babylon and Spain. Shoshone is strongest. Broken to be honest. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
No idea why Crushinator considers Shoshone strongest or broken, they are great early game but don't have much going for them after, so unless you playing a duel, I don't see them being that powerful. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 31 2013 05:39 Emnjay808 wrote: What are the top tier civs to play. So far I heard it was Babylon and Spain. why on earth spain ? i hate spain | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
Shoshone are quite strong, Zulu are a beast for domination. I myself like Poland a lot, won every victory type with them on diety. | ||
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Eben
United States769 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 31 2013 06:04 kukarachaa wrote: Really depends on what victory you going for, difficulties, maps etc. For example for deity Venice diplomatic victory is way easier than anything else at that difficulty. No idea why Crushinator considers Shoshone strongest or broken, they are great early game but don't have much going for them after, so unless you playing a duel, I don't see them being that powerful. Ya but only if you have a decent spawn. if you end up with 1 city state nearby and no one else but the Zulus you can just gg out. On higher difficulties you cant really shank an ai if you find yourself in that position. | ||
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