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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
January 07 2010 03:57 GMT
#641
I agree with 21. b3
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 07 2010 04:15 GMT
#642
On January 07 2010 12:29 Incognito wrote:

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lightman seems to be falling into the trap. Cool beans.


21. b3 as previously analyzed.



spoiler plz!


21. b3
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proberecall
Profile Joined August 2009
United States104 Posts
January 07 2010 05:26 GMT
#643
21. b3
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 07 2010 05:41 GMT
#644
b3...
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
January 07 2010 06:11 GMT
#645
props for playing sicilian dragon. even a chess scrub like me can understand what is going on in this game.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 07 2010 06:38 GMT
#646
21. b3
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 07 2010 09:13 GMT
#647
21. b3
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 14:26:28
January 07 2010 14:25 GMT
#648
want me to update today ?? b3. seems to be overwhelming again.

I don't see any traps, I'm very curious on what you guys are talking. If I'm falling for it, I am for sure !!



On January 07 2010 15:11 broz0rs wrote:
props for playing sicilian dragon. even a chess scrub like me can understand what is going on in this game.



believe me I'm kicking myself in the nuts every day for choosing the dragon, especially THIS variation of the dragon.

once the game's over and we share my notes with yours you'll see why. I should have sticked to my Alekhine or the Schevenigen as I originally planned.

let me know about the update.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 07 2010 14:29 GMT
#649
21. b3

more solid play again. we should take our time.
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 07 2010 15:02 GMT
#650
b3 is overwhelming, I feel like you should just go ahead and update.
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Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
January 07 2010 16:05 GMT
#651
Lol! Incognito giving us up!!! :p

And I'm with broz0rs here, this game is very good for new players to start analysing moves. lighman maybe next time you will go for your prefered opening.

21.b3 is my vote btw

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cxd6 is the other option but if we play it then our knight has no purpose on that a square. We shouldn't attack a postion we have well defended imo.
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 18:30:05
January 07 2010 18:29 GMT
#652
ok updated.

I wonder if now I'm moving deeper into the trap or away from it ? or maybe I just set one by accident ?









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JUST PLAYED: 21...d5

VOTING CLOSES: SATURDAY

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Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
January 07 2010 18:50 GMT
#653
22.exd5 for me.
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 07 2010 19:14 GMT
#654
22. Rd4

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Rather have him take us than have his bishop on d5.
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bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
January 07 2010 19:31 GMT
#655
22. Rd4
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dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#656
Vote 22.exd5

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Black wont take in the center thats just silly, given the power of our rooks.Rd4 is also interesting because it puts pressure on the black pawn on f4, but it feels like the piece is not doing much there right now. Looks a bit pointless for now. IMO this move will be much better played in a line like the one below

Im thinking 22..Bxd5 23.Nc3 e6 24.b4 Rb8. 25.Rd4 - defending with activity. This position looks good to me.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 20:18:10
January 07 2010 20:09 GMT
#657
22. Rd4

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I don't see what black can do in this situation to change it for the better. So I want to take the break that we have to move the rook up into a position where it can move to b4.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 07 2010 20:19 GMT
#658
I don't see many ways out of a draw here.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 06:02:13
January 07 2010 20:29 GMT
#659
lightman, not a trap. but just the more inferior move in that position in my opinion. But then again, it was an easy move to make. We can discuss more after the game.

22. exd5.

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Finally we get to the point where black's pawn structure deteriorates (we've been talking about this for a while now :D)

22. exd5. There were three moves I was considering, 22. exd5, 22. Rd4, and 22. Nc3.

I think 22. Rd4 is slightly incorrect. Seems good allowing black to take on e4, as our rook can take back and attack his knight. But Rd4 allows black simply to defend his center with Bf7/g8, e6, and Rd8, while we have little more to do that to try something like b3-b4-b5 to try to undermine c6. But after b4, black just takes on e4 and takes the a2 pawn right after.

22. Nc3 is playable, but I'd rather take the pawn immediately.

22. exd5 Bxd5 (cxd5 just loses a pawn after Nc3)
23. Nc3 Be6
24. Re1.

No matter what black responds, 25. Bf1. Pile up on the e-file leaving black with troubles on how to defend his minor pieces.

23. ... Bf7
24. Ne4 Rf5
25. Rd4! piling up for attacks on the f4 pawn. Threats like g4! undermine black's kingside and unleashes a powerful attack for us.

23. ... Bg8
24. Ba6 to go after that pawn while also clearing the e-file for our rooks to use.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 07 2010 20:31 GMT
#660
On January 08 2010 05:19 citi.zen wrote:
I don't see many ways out of a draw here.

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Theres plenty of ways out of a draw here. We have a queenside pawn majority which I'm hoping we can convert to a passed pawn or two. Black just has to play very carefully if he wants the draw.
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