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Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 20:34:26
January 05 2010 20:29 GMT
#621
Soooo...

This is getting tough!

What about + Show Spoiler +
20.Rfc1?


+ Show Spoiler +
He plays 20... Nf7 Then 22.Rc2 Bb7 Now we have a couple of options


I guess the chessmaster thing is solved then :D If lightman want's him out then he's out. I would still love to see your analysis post-game chessmaster. DO IT FOR THE NEWBIES!
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 05 2010 20:39 GMT
#622
20. Rfd1
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 05 2010 21:21 GMT
#623
On January 06 2010 04:28 proberecall wrote:
I vote Rfd1

+ Show Spoiler +

postions getting complicated for me. what should follow ?

20... cxd5 21. Nxc5 Rb8 22. b3 ???

or 20...,,,Rb8 21. b3 who knows ? I see his Rb8 coming, or maybe Rd8 to defend the d file



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I'm pretty sure 20...cxd5 is bad; the knight will dominate the bishop. It's a waiting game in the center at the moment, but we should come out on top I think.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 06 2010 00:52 GMT
#624
20. Rfd1 is the obvious move here, piling up on the d-file and putting pressure on the center.
+ Show Spoiler +

20. cxd6 immediately is not a terrible move, but I prefer keeping on the pressure. There are no other reasons to play cxd6 immediately, as with the doubled rooks, it will be hard for black to play the freeing move d5.

20. Rfc1 does nothing to build up the pressure on d6, and is generally less powerful than Rfd1. The c5 pawn doesn't need extra protection, and the c5 point is defended adequately by the knight on e5. Black can also play 20. ... Bb7 to protect that pawn if he fears 21. cxd6 exd6 22. f4.

So after 20. Rfd1 black has to defend the pawn or counter attack one of white's pawns, leaving the options at 20. ... Be6 or 20. ... Nf7.

20. Rfd1 Be6
21. b3 Nf7

Black can't really play 21. ... Rd8 because we just trade and win a pawn. However, Nf7 weakens the c5 pawn. Fortunately white can exploit this with Rc1. This is better than the immediate Rfc1 because it gets the defender off the c6 square before moving in to attack it.

22. Rc1 Bd7
23. Bc4!

If black defends the pawn with Bd7, he has lost control of the a2-g8 diagonal and white can play Bc4, taking control of the diagonal and threatening to remove the defender on f7, which would give white a large advantage. So 23. ... Ne5, which leads to 24. Rcd1 Nxc4 25. bxc4 Be6 26. cxd6 exd6 27. Rxd6 Bxc4 and white is better. Black has bigger pawn weaknesses on the queenside and less active pieces. White plans to attack the bishop and move the knight to c5, centralizing. White should be good here.

However, there is another line. Black can instead play 22. ... d5, avoiding passive defense. 23. exd5 Bxd5, using the c6 pawn to support the black center. 23. ... cxd5 would be bad for black because we have a passed c-pawn that can immediately be pushed. Although black may hope to build up in the center, he cannot do anything but to delay white's attack.

After 24. Nc3 e6, black may be temporarily able to hold the center, but white can start a queenside pawn storm. Although not immediately advisable, white also can take the bishop on d5 at any time if he so chooses. Verdict: Black's center may look menacing, but its really harmless. White has enough pieces + the pawn on f3 to stop black from doing anything productive.

After 24. Nc3 Ne6, white's attack seems stalled. But all white has to do is see what black will do next. I'd choose 25. Ba6, clearing the e-file for future rook moves, and also attempting to force black to defend the weak c6 pawn. White definitely has more active pieces and can play slowly with two weaknesses on the queenside, although they are not as exploitable because the queenside is more closed.

24. Nc3 Rd8 is not so good for black because it sets up a pin on the d-file after Rcd1.

So that's my Be6 line.

On to 20. ... Nf7. Probably a better line for black even though it looks passive. 20. ... Be6 sets up a set of moves where white can switch between attacking the d and c pawns since the bishop blocks the black rook's defense of the d6 pawn. Notice that white can't immediately play Bc4 as in the other line, since white does not threaten to take the c-pawn after the trades occur. 20. ... Nf7 is a nice waiting move, since white can't really improve directly from here. White can't force anything, so black gets a free move after.

Right now, I see 3 main moves for black, Be6, g5, and Rb8. The move 21. b3 prevents Rb8, or at least reduces its usefulness. It also prepares to bring the knight to c4 via b2, which brings it back into the game. 21. b3 also limits the usefulness of Be6 by removing the tempo black gets by attacking the a2 pawn with Be6. Also if 21. b3 Be6, 22. Rc1 effectively transposes to my previous 20. ... Be6 line, which as I have stated is good for white. However, I don't see how 21. b3 stops black from playing g5. 21. ... g5 improves black's position by threatening to mess up white's kingside pawn structure, and waits yet again to see what white will do. 22. Nb2 probably, but now black can safely play 22. ... Be6, when 23. Rc1 d5 24. exd5 Bxd5 will not allow us to pile up with Nc3. Although a minor concession, I think its still playable for white given black's weaknesses.

So 20. ... Nf7 is somewhat passive looking, but good for black. If 20. ... Nf7, white should try to transpose into 20. ... Be6 lines and utilize the theme of the weak black pawns to dictate the flow of the game. More is less for black here, I'll be interested to see which path lightman will take.


I vote for 20. Rfd1.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 06 2010 02:18 GMT
#625
20. Rfd1
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 06 2010 09:01 GMT
#626
rfd1 wins
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 06 2010 09:02 GMT
#627
hey guys.

Day 2 went by with two draws (catalan, closed 5.Nf3 line and a nimzo). Everyone seems to be avoiding my caro-kann preparation.

Im sitting in second place with 2.5/4 (+1 -0 =3), with the leader on 3/4 (2 wins, no losses). I play him first game tomorrow, with the black pieces (boo hiss!).

I dont think the tournament is been covered live anywhere (at least nowhere that I can find), and I doutb anyone is going to upload the games of non-masters (the tournament leader and one other player are FIDE masters, the rest of us are candidate masters), but when I return home, after the second tournament, ill upload every game I played, with full annotations, thoughts and anaysis.

You'll just have to wait sorry

Better get going, ill speak again soon.

PS. beat lightman!
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 06 2010 09:06 GMT
#628
20. Rfd1

I have a feeling that the overwhelming majority will go to that move...
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 06 2010 09:06 GMT
#629
oh and guysm=, check out the games from the Reggio Emelia, 2009 tournament, especially this great game from Kamsky with the black pieces http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1566821 (for what its worth, in that line, I like 5.b6 because the theory is easy).
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
January 06 2010 14:49 GMT
#630
do you want me to update today ?
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dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 06 2010 14:51 GMT
#631
Hmm I have the feeling its better to play b3 first and Rfd1 next, but both lines should transpose anyway.
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Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
January 06 2010 15:22 GMT
#632
I think Rfd1 won.

jfazz keep rocking them dude. When you post them on your blog or wherever let us now right away! On another note: In the game from Kamsky you posted why on 22.axb3 h6 didn't Kamsky play 22... Ra1+ instead? :p
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-06 16:39:25
January 06 2010 16:35 GMT
#633
On January 06 2010 23:49 lightman wrote:
do you want me to update today ?


Sure!

GL jfazz, let us know how your game went this morning.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 06 2010 16:51 GMT
#634
@arkhangel, he didnt play Ra1+ because after Rc1, it doesnt achieve that much. If Kamsky then trades rooks, the passed extra b-pawn may prove difficult to stop, and without calculating too deeply, it seems that it may win a piece eventually (white can swap bishop for knight, and bring his own knight to c6 with seemingly decisive effect). The chosen line, utilised by Kamsky is a clever way of entombing his own piece to create counterplay, that I had not seen before.

I had two more draws today. The game agsinst the tournament leader (an FM) was fine, he didnt get much out of a 4.Qc2 nimzo (i like that line because it leads to positions from the panov-botvinnik), while in the game afterwards, I played fairly badly out of the opening against a Schlecter Slav, and got nothing myself, even leading to a slightly worse endgame which I managed to draw comfortably. Lazy opening prep on my behalf, I ended up playing the Bf4 sideline because I couldnt remember the mainline with Bg5

The FM i played won his other game, and the other FM won both of his games, so they both move to equal first with +4 =2 = 5/6. Im sitting in third place with +1=5 = 3.5/6, so I only need draws tomorrow to pick up the rating norm (with draws against both FMs you see), however a loss and a win may not cut it....depending on whom it is against. Thus ill be playing the super boring london system with white and offering an early draw With black I may finally get a caro, but who knows, there is always the next tournament in two weeks.
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
January 06 2010 22:46 GMT
#635

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JUST PLAYED: 20...Be6

VOTING CLOSES: FRIDAY
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 06 2010 23:01 GMT
#636
b3
+ Show Spoiler +
Looks good positionally. I spent a lot of time thinking about cxd6 and possible tactics but there's no need to rush this position or to sac the A pawn.
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 07 2010 01:44 GMT
#637
21. b3
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dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 07 2010 02:11 GMT
#638
As previously stated 21.b3, black isnt going anywhere, our attack is solid just a little bit of extra profilactic chess to prevent any knight invasions

Vote 21.b3
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 07 2010 02:38 GMT
#639
I think it will be another overwhelming vote for 21. b3.

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The only other plausible candidate move is 21. cxd6, but I really like that c-pawn the way it is now.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 07 2010 03:29 GMT
#640
lightman seems to be falling into the trap. Cool beans.

21. b3 as previously analyzed.
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