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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 08 2010 05:57 GMT
#681
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After 22. exd5 our game is much more active. Black is forced to defend passively and his pieces are out of position. Rd4 allows black to blockade the center with a bishop move, followed by e6, or a trade on d5 followed by e6. White gets nowhere after Rd4.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 08 2010 07:56 GMT
#682
22.exd5 to my eyes.

I managed two draws yesterday (another nimzo as black, london system draw with white). Managed third overall, with a guaranteed ratings norm and some cash. Whoo!

Ill be travelling around europe for the next week, but after that ill keep you guys updated on the next tournament.

Game write ups will all be done together as a blog in a few weeks. Id like to put them up for discussion actually, so that I can get everyones ideas, so perhaps I can et some different insights into positions. Maybe a guess the move competition?

GL guys.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 08 2010 09:15 GMT
#683
22 exd5
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a8a8a5
Profile Joined December 2009
Croatia4 Posts
January 08 2010 13:22 GMT
#684
Nc3
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 09 2010 03:09 GMT
#685
On January 08 2010 14:39 Incognito wrote:
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On January 08 2010 14:20 Ikari wrote:
On January 08 2010 13:31 Incognito wrote:
On January 08 2010 12:36 Mystlord wrote:
22. Rd4

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Allows us to put a lot of pressure on Black's position. Don't forget that exd5 is an option for us. We respond to Bxd5 with Nc3, and Black's position looks more precarious.


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What about after 22. ... Bf7 23. ... e6? Immediate taking is probably better.

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Do you mean 22.Rd4 Bf7 23.exd5 e6?? 24.dxc6 Nxc6 or another line?


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If 23. exd5, then cxd5 because then 24. Nc3 is met by e6. Right now black can't take with the pawn because Nc3 wins a pawn for white. Hmm I wasn't thinking that white would immediately take after Rd4 though. I was thinking 23. Nc3, but that would be the mistake. Rd4 is playable if 23. exd5.

However I think 22. exd5 Bxd5 23. Nc3 Be6 24. Re1 followed by 25. Bf1/Ba6 is better for white. The idea is that we line up our rooks on the e-file and attack black's minor pieces. They can't be defended with pawns and they don't defend each other, so they have to be defended by rooks or moved. Except the knight can't be moved after 26. Rde2 because other wise the bishop hangs. A passive black = a happy white.

If 23. ... Bf7 24. Ne4 Rf5 25. Rd4 Bd5 26. Nc3 is good for white White plans to play g4 to force the rook to move or the pawn to take en passant. Lots of tactical goodies here for white. If 23. ... Bg8, 24. Ba6 to threaten to go after the c6 pawn, followed by 25. Re1 and Rde2 to pile up on the knight.


Vote for 22. exd5.

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Wait a second. What's the difference between 22. exd5 Bxd5 23. Nc3 Be6 and the previous line? There's essentially none except you chose to do Be6 instead of e6, which is clearly inferior. I fail to see why Black would not simply play e6 to guard the bishop.

By playing 22. Rd4, we're able to activate our rooks more and give them more coverage and maneuvering room. Black has multiple weaknesses that we can exploit, and if we can swing our rook over to the queen side, we can actively attack more pieces and apply more direct pressure on Black's position.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 09 2010 03:16 GMT
#686
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I still think of

22. Rd4 as a free move. What would black do? Seems totally tied down at this point, we're going to take on d5 next turn or something. What is the rush.

22. ... dxe4 23. Rxe4 should not happen. White's double rooks on the e file against black's backward pawn is a huge advantage.

22. ... Rd8 only gets his pawn pinned.

So it's something like 22. ... Bf7 which is really no move at all if while plays 23. dxe5
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
January 09 2010 03:25 GMT
#687
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Not playing, but i think Nc3 is a good choice compared to exd5 as well. With Nc3 black will have to take dxe4 or lose a pawn in an exchange/outright. Then you can recapture with the knight and put him on e4 to attack the rook and give your knight a nice centralized spot on the board. I personally think exd5 right now doesn't accomplish as much as Nc3 since white doesn't have to take right away because his d5 pawn will be lost in the next move anyway.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 09 2010 06:35 GMT
#688
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In the end I don't see much of a difference between moving that rook to d4 before or after exd5. They both transpose to pretty much the same position. That said, why be in a rush to play Rd4?

I'd like to see 22. exd5, Nxd5 23. Nc3 e6. I think this is the most playable line for black... who must keep that c5 pawn blocked so will not jeopardize it/ move it on the d file. We can continue to add pressure with 23. b4, Rb8 24. a3 - leaving us with a strong looking pawn formation.
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 09 2010 06:40 GMT
#689
On January 09 2010 15:35 citi.zen wrote:
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In the end I don't see much of a difference between moving that rook to d4 before or after exd5. They both transpose to pretty much the same position. That said, why be in a rush to play Rd4?

I'd like to see 22. exd5, Nxd5 23. Nc3 e6. I think this is the most playable line for black... who must keep that c5 pawn blocked so will not jeopardize it/ move it on the d file. We can continue to add pressure with 23. b4, Rb8 24. a3 - leaving us with a strong looking pawn formation.

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But why rush to trade down when we can gain a positional advantage then trade down? By placing the Rook on d4, we get a lot more coverage with it and can switch strategies much quicker than we can by letting Black solidify his center control with a Bishop on d5.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 09 2010 08:40 GMT
#690
hey TLers.

Just wanted to write before taking the train to Italy, the I received confirmation regarding the ratings norm, so thats two FM norms now, with the potential to pick up a third one next week!

So, for what its worth, if the community wishes it, we may be able to play TL Chess Match III against a Master
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 09 2010 09:20 GMT
#691
get 'em jfazz congrats man
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 09 2010 09:39 GMT
#692
On January 09 2010 15:40 Mystlord wrote:
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On January 09 2010 15:35 citi.zen wrote:
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In the end I don't see much of a difference between moving that rook to d4 before or after exd5. They both transpose to pretty much the same position. That said, why be in a rush to play Rd4?

I'd like to see 22. exd5, Nxd5 23. Nc3 e6. I think this is the most playable line for black... who must keep that c5 pawn blocked so will not jeopardize it/ move it on the d file. We can continue to add pressure with 23. b4, Rb8 24. a3 - leaving us with a strong looking pawn formation.

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But why rush to trade down when we can gain a positional advantage then trade down? By placing the Rook on d4, we get a lot more coverage with it and can switch strategies much quicker than we can by letting Black solidify his center control with a Bishop on d5.

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22. Rd4 Bf7 23. exd5 cxd5 24. Nc3 e6 25. Ra4 continuing with a queenside plan, 25. ... Be8 and white can't really seem to get anywhere. Black's center is holding, and he can't really find very good queenside compensation as you suggested.

Sorry for not posting my 23. ... e6 line. Black's bishop may look active on d5, but it really has nowhere to go, and it is necessary for the defense of his weak central pawns.

22. exd5 Bxd5 23. Nc3 e6 24. Ba6! The point of this move is that it stops black from playing a5, which is his key drawing weapon. If black can play a5, then it locks up the queenside and extinguishes white's advantage. White can no longer continue with his plan of b4-b5 because of the a-pawn, and if a3 to back it up, black simply exchanges and has open lines to defend.

For a sample variation of why black shouldn't be allowed to play a5, 22. exd5 Bxd5 23. Nc3 e6 24. Rd4? (allows black to play a5, but he doesnt need to yet) Nd7 25. Ne4 (defending the pawn. the next few moves is black preparing a5 while keeping white busy with the weak c5 pawn) Rf7 (threatening to remove the defender and take on c5. notice black could not have done this earlier because of the intermediate move Rxd7, winning a piece) 26. Nd6 Rff8 27. Rc1 a5 28. Ra4 g5. White really can't make any progress from here. The queenside is locked down, and black's f8 rook is free to come to b8-b4 to trade down white's active options. Black has the center, although he doesn't have any attacking options with it. Draw.

After 24. Ba6!, white is good. No worries about a5, so white can proceed with his queenside plan. Black can't really make progress on the kingside or the center, and cannot really stop white's plans. White should have a definite advantage here.

I'm sticking with 22. exd5.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 10 2010 03:19 GMT
#693
Waw, nice job jfazz, grats!
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 10 2010 03:34 GMT
#694
wooo go jfazz!!!

Congrats.
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
January 10 2010 23:38 GMT
#695

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JUST PLAYED: 22...Bxd5

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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 11 2010 01:12 GMT
#696
23. Nc3 pretty straight forward move.
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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
January 11 2010 02:04 GMT
#697
Agreed. Nc3.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 11 2010 02:27 GMT
#698
23. Nc3 with fast update I would imagine. Not much to discuss here.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 11 2010 03:52 GMT
#699
23 nc3
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 04:00:10
January 11 2010 03:59 GMT
#700
23. Nc3
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