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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 13 2010 18:44 GMT
#721
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just want to float a possible Kg1 soon since we do have the danger of a potential Nxf3.
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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 13 2010 20:03 GMT
#722
Can someone explain who has the advantage currently and why? Sorry I'm not very good at chess and have been following for a bit now.
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 20:22:40
January 13 2010 20:08 GMT
#723
CURRENT POSITION:



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JUST PLAYED: 24...Rb8

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On January 14 2010 05:03 DamageControL wrote:
Can someone explain who has the advantage currently and why? Sorry I'm not very good at chess and have been following for a bit now.



Current play considering the latest moves and positioning of all pieces suggests that right now the game is pretty even, meaning that nobody has a signficant advantage.

Now to answer your question of Why ?, well without spoling who's doing what and why, and not spoiling much of my strategy and upcoming plan for my next moves: firstly, material-wise speaking we are balanced, 1 rook, 1 knight and 1 light bishop with 5 pawns each. Strategilcally, I would say at this point both white and black have all their pieces well developed -developed, meaning well positioned on both the attack and defense of key squares of the board; also pawns aren't a real threat to either team, and both kings and high ranked pieces are safe and secure from menaces. all of this in theory... analysis of moves ahead... well like I said, I can't spoil anything, white would probably share their view more in deep.

Overall, in theory white team should share my view, unless I'm missing something which in that case I'm screwed.

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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 02:59:01
January 13 2010 20:16 GMT
#724
25. Rd4

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b5 is fine as well.

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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 13 2010 21:52 GMT
#725
25. a3
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zgl
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1055 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 22:13:18
January 13 2010 22:09 GMT
#726
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What do you guys think of 25. b5 cxb5 26. Nxd5 exd5 27. Rxd5 seems to provide more activity

It seems that white will want to play b5 anyway, and may lose tempo if played later.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 13 2010 22:58 GMT
#727
25. b5
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 13 2010 23:55 GMT
#728
25. b5
Azazello
Profile Joined June 2008
United States14 Posts
January 14 2010 00:06 GMT
#729
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25. Nxd5 deserves serious consideration, but 25. Rd4 first may well be better - it's hard to see how Black improves his position.

If Black plays 25...cxd5, 26.b5 Nd7 27.c6 Nb6 28.Ra1 (not Rd4 e5, speeding up Black's play) e5 29.a4, and the best I saw for Black is 29...a5!?, inviting 30. bxa6 e.p. Rxc6 31. Rb2 Ra8 32.Bb5 (else ...Nc4 or even ...Nxa4) 32...Rc5, where the White pawns aren't easy to remove, but also don't look like they're going anywhere.

But White doesn't have to comply, because Black's blockade is breakable. After 29...a5, 30.Rc2 e4 31. c7 Rc8 32. Rac1 Nxa4 33.Rc6, and after Bd1, Black's toast because b6-b7 is unstoppable. 32...Nd7 is no improvement, because after 33.Rxf6 Kxf6 34.Rc6+ Ke7 White doesn't even have to play 35.b6 Nxb6 36.Rxb6 Rxc7 but has the devastating 35.fxe4 dxe4 (if 35...Ne5 36.Rc1 Nc4 (else 37.b6), 37.exd5 Nb6 38.Bg4 1-0) 36.Bg4, and Black just can't move.

Better is 25.Nxd5 exd5, but it doesn't slow White down too much. 26.Rd4 g5 (what else? the f6 Rook will have to move eventually) 27. a4 Nd7 28.Rc1 Re6 29.Bf1 Rc8 30.b5! cxb5 31.axb5 Rxc5 32.Rxc5 Nxc5 33.Rxd5 Re1 34.Kg1 Ne6 35. Rd7+ Kf6 36.Rxa7 h5 37.Kf2 Rb1 38.Rd7 Ke5 39.Bc4! Rb4 (else the Knight is banished) 40.Rd5+ Kf6 41.Bd3 Rb2+ 42.Kf1. Now 42...Ng7 is the only way to stop 43.Rf5+, and it seems like White should win the ending, though perhaps not without difficulty.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-15 02:00:46
January 14 2010 03:00 GMT
#730
25. Rd4
25. a3

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Still a bit too early for the b5 push. We should get our king to g1 and get the pawn to a4 before we try for the break. Based on the position of pawns, we (white) are ahead.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 14 2010 07:10 GMT
#731
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Ack no Ba6. Oh well.

25. Nxd5 is bad. 25. ... exd5 26. b5 Nc4 and white seems to have gained nothing except for ruining the chances for his queenside pawn play.

25. b5 cxb5

Black has to take otherwise a4 and white is good. So White has two options, Bxb5 and Nxb5.

26. Nxb5

Black has to protect the pawn. Nc6 allows Nd6 comfortably, and black can't challenge it with Nf7. So theres a5 and Rf7.

26. ... a5
27. Rc1 Rf7
28. Nd6 Rc7
29. Bb5 and white seems to have black on the defensive.

26. ... Rf7 and white can't really do much. Rfb7 is coming next, and a4 as a defense looks pretty weak. Nb5 allows black to get his rooks active with tempo.

26. Bxb5 and black's bishop has to move else he loses a pawn. Bc4 and Bc6 lose pawns after caputres followed by Rd7+. So either Bb7 or Ba8. 26. ... Bb7. White has to worry about Nxf3 tactics.

27. Re2 to stop Nf3, because now white can play c6 and be up material. But white really doesn't get anywhere after this line either.

Conclusion, b5 is not so good for white.


25. a3 and 25. Rd4 are passive. If we play these then it makes no sense to play b5 in the near future. There is really no way that we can improve our position to prepare b5. So if a3 or Rd4, we should abandon the b5 plan. 25. a3 Rff8, stopping b5 and preparing to play g5 (so black won't be forced to take on e4 after Ne4). 26. Rd4 g5 27. Ne4 g4 is a big ouch for white. Bad.

25. Rd4 g5

White is in bad shape. To the suggestion of a4 followed by b5, 25. a4 h6 26. b5 Rff8, black doesn't have to (and won't) take the pawn. And white doesn't want to take on c6 either. So an improving move like 27. Rb1 Rfd8 and black does fine. White is going nowhere.

Unless other analysis comes up I'm pretty convinced we have a draw here, or at least, an equal game.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 14 2010 07:20 GMT
#732
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Hmm looking back at it now Ba6 probably also would fail to Rb8. I guess maybe this was an equal game after all. Somehow black's position always looked inferior to me at first glance, but his passive defense is actually quite resilient.
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Azazello
Profile Joined June 2008
United States14 Posts
January 14 2010 08:33 GMT
#733
On January 14 2010 16:10 Incognito wrote:
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Ack no Ba6. Oh well.

25. Nxd5 is bad. 25. ... exd5 26. b5 Nc4 and white seems to have gained nothing except for ruining the chances for his queenside pawn play.



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I'll agree that after 25.Nxd5 exd5, 26.b5 is wildly premature (White plays 26.Rd4; b5 comes later), but that doesn't make 25.Nxd5 bad. Moreover, your "refutation" in 26...Nc4 still lets White draw comfortably after 27.Bxc4 dxc4 28.Rd7+ K-moves (28...Rf7? 29.bxc6) 29.Rxa7 Rxb5 (after 29...cxb5, White doubles on the 7th, and we're not talking about drawing anymore) 30.h3 Rf7 31.Ra3 Rxc5 32.Rc3 Ra7 33.Rd4 =
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 17:33:11
January 14 2010 10:29 GMT
#734
25. a3

changed my mind
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 14 2010 14:28 GMT
#735
On January 14 2010 16:10 Incognito wrote:
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Unless other analysis comes up I'm pretty convinced we have a draw here, or at least, an equal game.


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Agreed, I've been saying this since move 22. Unless there is a big blunder on either side, I don't see much happening. White has a slightly stronger position but black can defend quite comfortably.
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Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
January 14 2010 17:19 GMT
#736
I vote 25.a3

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I really wanted this game to be epic but apparently it's going to draw I believe that black has played a very strong defense the entire game so how about we force him to go on the offense?
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
January 14 2010 17:22 GMT
#737
Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't checked this thread for a week or two and the last time I checked I thought white had a clear advantage. It seems both sides are equal now??
proberecall
Profile Joined August 2009
United States104 Posts
January 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#738
I vote a3.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 15 2010 02:04 GMT
#739
On January 14 2010 23:28 citi.zen wrote:
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On January 14 2010 16:10 Incognito wrote:
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Unless other analysis comes up I'm pretty convinced we have a draw here, or at least, an equal game.


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Agreed, I've been saying this since move 22. Unless there is a big blunder on either side, I don't see much happening. White has a slightly stronger position but black can defend quite comfortably.



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If things stay static, we will have to resort to moving the rooks over to the e file to bear down on exposed backwards E pawn. Part of that plan will be moving bishop to f1 or a6 and exchanging the knight for the d5 bishop. It's a slow developing plan though because we have a lot of weaknesses to shore up first.

Looks drawish but there are chances for play. If black defends with accuracy, I think we have to give it up to him.

No real reason to hurry here.
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canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-15 02:40:22
January 15 2010 02:40 GMT
#740
b5
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