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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
October 31 2009 16:21 GMT
#381
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9.. Bc6 10. d5!
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 31 2009 17:12 GMT
#382
Nc6

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Have to prevent a5 in this case and knight probably reroutes to a5 to hit c4 given this opportunity.
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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
October 31 2009 17:17 GMT
#383
I vote for: 9... Nc6
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Which will probably be replied with by Nd2, and then Na5, Bxb7and Nxb7, and clearly, we are looking good here.
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Syntax Lost
Profile Joined May 2009
Finland86 Posts
October 31 2009 17:30 GMT
#384
I vote for Nc6.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-31 17:31:56
October 31 2009 17:31 GMT
#385
Typo above.
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9.. Nc6 10. d5!
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iloveambiguity
Profile Joined August 2009
United States81 Posts
October 31 2009 18:32 GMT
#386
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Nc6, d5, exd, cxd ne7, and c6 is just fine,
I vote c5 with later + Show Spoiler +
nc6 or nd7
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
October 31 2009 19:26 GMT
#387
Nb8-c6
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Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
October 31 2009 19:36 GMT
#388
I vote Nb8-c6
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Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
October 31 2009 19:45 GMT
#389
I like Nb8-c6 too. that's my vote.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 31 2009 23:39 GMT
#390
Im a little busy right now, but ill try to do another detailed analysis dump later this evening. Is anyone finding them helpful at all?
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
November 01 2009 00:16 GMT
#391
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If someone could explain to me... why not Nd7 here? Nc6 blocks off the bishop, right?
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 01 2009 03:59 GMT
#392
Zozma
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If it was any other move we could use Nbd7 and push e5. That approach looks better. White really doesn't have much play on those lines. With a5, the timing is different since with a5 white threatens to open up the queenside.

Black should immediately stop white a5. But we still want to protect the b6 pawn with a7 since black c5 might still be necessary. In this case, the knight comes out to take control of a5. A5 is also a logical spot for the knight, hitting the c4 pawn with the possibility of going to b3 as well. We may have to give up some time trading the light squared bishops, but the play is solid.

Also to note in this position, the white d pawn does not have a very strong threat to exchange with any other pawns. If white exchanges by capturing with the d pawn, white is left with isolated double pawns on the C file and will need a lot of compensation for that.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 01 2009 07:52 GMT
#393
Ok here is my analysis on 9...Nc6:

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a) 10.Nd2 Na5 11. Bxb7 Nxb7 and now
a1) Nb3 Qd7 (though without going too deeply, d5 and c5 both look very playable, and offer better winning chances) 13. Qd3 d5 and Black has a significant positional edge imo
a2) e4 Nd7 (Na5 with the idea of immediately pressuring c4 looks playable as well, Black will attempt to play heavily on the dark squares on this line with both e5 and c5 and no exchanges, strengthed by moves like Re8.) 13. f4 f5 and Black has a slightly better middle game leading into an endgame.
a3) Ba3 Re8 13. Nb3 Qd7 And I think white has very little in the position. Black can just move his rooks to the e-file, infiltrate his queen onto the queenside to the c6 square so as to attack the c4 pawn, coupled with Na5 as necessary, then just do the usual dark square play with c5 and e5. Great line for black IMO.

b) 10. c5 Na5 11. Bf4 Qd7 and White looks silly

c) 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bxf6 Qxf6 12. Nd2 Na5 and it more or less becomes line a) in some fashion, albeit with White giving up his bishop pair for no reasons, other than forcing the move h6...good line for black I would think, especially as white's play for any advantage is certainly over.

d) 10. Ba3 Na5 11. c5 Ne4 12. cxd6 cxd6 13. Qd3 Rc8 and the game looks even. I feel this is white's best play for an advantage from this position, as it keeps as many pieces on the board as possible, while making the most of white's most important piece - his unopposed dark square bishop. This line should be, overall, drawish, but complex with a slight pull for white.


Let me know if I missed anything / made any mistakes.
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Chunkybuddha
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada347 Posts
November 01 2009 08:00 GMT
#394
9..Nc6 we need to develop
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
November 01 2009 08:23 GMT
#395
I vote 9...Nb8-Nc6
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
November 01 2009 08:41 GMT
#396
ya 9...Nc6 looks good so that's my vote
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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-01 16:37:38
November 01 2009 16:37 GMT
#397
On November 01 2009 08:39 jfazz wrote:
Im a little busy right now, but ill try to do another detailed analysis dump later this evening. Is anyone finding them helpful at all?

I'm finding them very enlightening - you pick up on a few possibilities I miss. I just set up the pieces on the board and play out on other variations to what your analysis gives... so while my analysis isn't quite as accurate as yours, with yours I can develop a much deeper feel for the positions (and it helped me develop my game, first time I actually trounced a 1850 ELO player was very recently - up until now my wins against that caliber of players would always be from what seemed like a grueling nightmare world from which I somehow managed to claw out of).
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iloveambiguity
Profile Joined August 2009
United States81 Posts
November 01 2009 17:49 GMT
#398
jfazz, that is nice, i especially agree with the comment about the unopposed light squared bishop. Lets do Nc6 if everyone wants it
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
November 01 2009 18:14 GMT
#399
Nc6
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 01 2009 21:23 GMT
#400
The notion that changed my game, more than anything, was "don't sweat the little stuff". As a general rule in chess, it is amazing. When doing your calculation focus on the most forcing variations you can imagine - that way, if your opponent does not opt for one of those lines, your own forcing moves will quickly steal the initiative.

Counter-inutitive as this may be, that logic is even more powerful in slow grinding positions, because it all takes small, strengthening moves to completely change the position to your advantage, so the practice you have in deep calculation comes out.

Gogo 9...Nc6!
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