EPTTL Chess Match - Page 19
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 9...Nbd7 and now a) Bg5 (h6 or Qc8 both lead to good games for black, but Qc8 doesnt create any weaknesses and promotes a faster c5, as in the line 10...Qc8 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. Nd2 Bxg2 13. Kxg2 c5 where black is at least equal, probably better. Black will not exchange cxd4. If white does, black captures away from the centre with dxc5, to create an open file and to fully blockade the isolated pawns. The queen can then pressure them via a6, while the f6 knight can always eye the crucial e4 square) b) Nd2 Bxg2 11. Kxg2 and now Qe7 or e5, ill give examples of both: b1) 11...Qe7 12. e4 e5 13. d5 Nc5 and black is super groovy b2) 11...e5 12. Ba3 Re8 13. e4 c5 14. f4 cxd4 15. cxd4 exd4 16. Bxd6 Ng4 and Black will get a brutal outposted knight, so white will have to give up the exchange. c) e3 Rb8 11. a4 a5 12. Ba3 Ba6 13. Nd2 e5 14. Re1 Re8 with a pretty equal middlegame. | ||
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Khenra
Netherlands885 Posts
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iloveambiguity
United States81 Posts
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oBlade
United States6470 Posts
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
I vote d7 - d5, attack attack attack! | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On October 30 2009 17:55 MuffinDude wrote: Uggh. I hate playing passively like this. I vote d7 - d5, attack attack attack! + Show Spoiler + as opposed to letting him fix his pawn structure and weakening our king side with a move like that? | ||
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lightman
United States731 Posts
On October 30 2009 17:55 MuffinDude wrote: Uggh. I hate playing passively like this. I vote d7 - d5, attack attack attack! + Show Spoiler + 7.... d5 8 cxd5 Nxd5 (or exd5) and white no longer has doubled pawns and now has better position black has weakened his defense and has questionable position. so the "attack, attack,attack!", sounds more like "let's lose, let's lose, let's lose!" dude how many moves ahead can you look when you play ? like 0 ?? just kidding. jfrazz question.... why not : + Show Spoiler + 8.... Ne4 9 Qc2 f5! 10 Nd2 d5 black has an attacking position here riight ?? | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On October 30 2009 23:00 lightman wrote: + Show Spoiler + 7.... d5 8 cxd5 Nxd5 (or exd5) and white no longer has doubled pawns and now has better position black has weakened his defense and has questionable position. so the "attack, attack,attack!", sounds more like "let's lose, let's lose, let's lose!" dude how many moves ahead can you look when you play ? like 0 ?? just kidding. jfrazz question.... why not : + Show Spoiler + 8.... Ne4 9 Qc2 f5! 10 Nd2 d5 black has an attacking position here riight ?? + Show Spoiler + i know your question is for him but i wanna take a stab at it to see if im anything close to what he would say! After that sequence can't the attack just be neutralized by like 10 Nxe4 fxe4 11 f3 exf3 12 bxf3 And now white is the one far more posturing for an attack | ||
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Vekzel
Poland142 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
well we gotta protect against a4-a5 and it seems like by far the best way to do that is Nb8-c6, so that's my vote I vote Nb8-c6 | ||
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anImaru
United States106 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 9.a4 is an error on Vekzel's part. Black has at least equalized and has more winning chances now. 9...Nc6 10. Nd2 Na5 11. Bxb7 Nxb7 and there are many weaknesses to exploit in White's position 9...a5 followed by 10...Nbd7 can also be considered. 9...Nbd7 is also viable but complicates things by allowing 10. a5 | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
For lightman, sort of yes, but its an attack that does't really go anywhere. You do get an amazing knight, but he is easily traded off, and after moves like a4 and then Ba3 and the suggestings from Divinek such as f3, White just has as easier position to play and the bishops really start to show their strength. kramink won a famous game against Anand from a similar position to that, arising out of one of his famous catalan openings. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On October 31 2009 10:11 Divinek wrote: + Show Spoiler + i know your question is for him but i wanna take a stab at it to see if im anything close to what he would say! After that sequence can't the attack just be neutralized by like 10 Nxe4 fxe4 11 f3 exf3 12 bxf3 And now white is the one far more posturing for an attack + Show Spoiler + No idea how 10. Nxe4 is. A better response for white would be 10. Ng5! with deciding gain of material. + Show Spoiler + You might think g5 is defended by black knight. If black moves the knight away he is in trouble. 10... Nxg5 11. Bxb7! | ||
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