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motbob
+ Show Spoiler + 7.... d5 8 Ne5 is no real threat for black, nothing to worry about.
and to everyone else that want to play 7 ... Bxc3.
+ Show Spoiler + why do you want to play Bxc3 now, if we spennt 2 days arguing about why it shouldn't be played before ?? to play Bxc3 now, it would have been played before
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United States24723 Posts
On October 28 2009 10:56 lightman wrote:motbob + Show Spoiler + 7.... d5 8 Ne5 is no real threat for black, nothing to worry about.
and to everyone else that want to play 7 ... Bxc3. + Show Spoiler + why do you want to play Bxc3 now, if we spennt 2 days arguing about why it shouldn't be played before ?? to play Bxc3 now, it would have been played before
+ Show Spoiler +I think there is a fair bit of difference between playing it now and playing it before we both castled. It isn't a bad move now although I personally don't want to do it.
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+ Show Spoiler + I don't see what is wrong with 7...Bxc3. It is just as sound as any of the other options we have available. In fact it is probably the most played move recently at the grandmaster level. It makes no sense to say that just because we didn't play it before that we shouldn't play it now. I prefer 7...c5 but any of the following moves are completely viable and depend solely on the type of midgame position we want to reach: Bxc3, d5, h6. Also Qc8, Nc6, d6 have also seen play at the grandmaster level within the past 10 years or so and might be worth considering if we wish get out of opening preparations.
I vote 7...c5
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Sanya12364 Posts
On October 28 2009 10:56 lightman wrote:and to everyone else that want to play 7 ... Bxc3. + Show Spoiler + why do you want to play Bxc3 now, if we spennt 2 days arguing about why it shouldn't be played before ?? to play Bxc3 now, it would have been played before
+ Show Spoiler +I'm prepared to play d6 and the bishop becomes useless. Castling also allows us to now immediately support the e pawn. Black will have the option of creating play along e or c files. A lot of these moves look equally good now, I could also support d5 or h6, although I think h6 is better.
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On October 28 2009 11:53 O-ops wrote:I vote Bxc3 + Show Spoiler +With the idea of d5 and then Nd7
I vote Bxc3
+ Show Spoiler + d5 would not be as good a continuation because it then allows his knight to take the beautiful e5 square, a much better follow up is d6, this would makes blacks position slightly better
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Bxc3 still does nothing, please change your vote, it can retreat to e7 at anytime right now, and it is the positionally correct continuation. the double pawns support the center so they are not even nearly as significant as giving up the bishop pair. c5? a3. now Bxc3 forced and we are still giving up the bishops, because cxd4, axb4, dxc3 bxc3 is comfortable for white, once again, getting bishop pair and a well placed rook and an open file for attacking the a pawn in later game. This is still just theory, so please do not c5 either.... I like solid d5, nd7, be7 c5 setup, with possible qc7, rac8, etc. i vote d5.
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besides not being able to read you should really put analysis in spoilers
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Why I like...Bxc3+ Show Spoiler +I quite like ...Bxc3 in the current position, for the reasons given by Tangeng. The dark square bind AND the doubled pawns is quite a nice grab for giving up the dark square bishop. We probably wouldnt want to exchange our c-pawn for the d-pawn in that line though, instead we would want to play for an eventual e5 and really grip those dark squares, then focus on making more out of our knights than white can out of his bishops. See many of the Dzindihasvilli or Christiansen games in this line for examples (its a Nimzo-Indian, uncommon 4th white moves, E13 i believe)
Bxc3 is better now that previously, because of the castling. White can move the knight next turn, then play a3, and we are at a timing disadvantage, over the lines where we take. We are only disadvantaged if white plays EXACTLY that line, but why give him the option? Thats how the argument runs.
A little more on ...h6+ Show Spoiler +yes its a slow move, but what exactly can white do? He is very limited in options, and rapid exchanges from here just lead to a draw. White is forced to play very riskily and creatively to play for an edge, which is great, because we could just defend than when an endgame. Its a boring line though, I admit
GO BLACK!
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everyone here seems so intent on playing a boring, drawish game :S why not spice things up a bit, take some risks and hope that we can win the game from a complicated position?
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drawish and boring is kinda the point of a QID/NID Depends on your mentality I guess, I really enjoy the complex struggle these sort of positions create.
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Guys, you should make up your mind quickly. Currently, Bxc3 leads by a margin of two votes, but has 5 votes only. I'm writing it only because we have that divided opinions for the first time and last-moment votes may turn the outcome upside down.
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United States2186 Posts
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On October 29 2009 09:21 proberecall wrote: 7.... d5 You have one post so I doubt you are on the 2nd team....
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On October 29 2009 10:21 D4L[invd] wrote: Ne5 What he said
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So eventually, Bxc3 was played. Time for your next move now!
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the time is ripe for the advance in the center
EDIT: 8...d6
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