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SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-01 21:39:08
November 01 2009 21:36 GMT
#401
Why is c5 being so overlooked?

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followed by Nc6


edit: forgot spoiler
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
November 02 2009 05:42 GMT
#402
I vote Nb8-Nc6
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 02 2009 07:46 GMT
#403
Because then white plays a5 and undermines our queenside, creating serious weaknesses in both the middle game and endgame. It also does not develop a piece. Finally, c5 followed by cxd4 is no longer a legitimate threat in the position.
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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
November 02 2009 13:53 GMT
#404
On November 02 2009 06:36 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote:
Why is c5 being so overlooked?

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followed by Nc6


edit: forgot spoiler

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Because the queen-side attack is possible (a5) without wasting time on rerouting via Nd2. Nc6 forces him to either abandon the queen-side temporarily which leaves us in a solid position, or we trade off the white square bishops then his other bishop is not as useful in the offensive due to the pawn structure and our solid defense, giving him very limited tactical possibilities. c5 might be useful later, but if we reroute our bishop to b7 first, it would make it even more possible, and this is the most logical line from here anyways. So yay us :D
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-02 18:00:42
November 02 2009 17:40 GMT
#405
9....... Nbd7

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10 a5! Qe7
11 axb6 a7xb6
12 RxR RxR



although I know my option will not win, I think and I agree on 9.. Nc6 is fine too, but me personally me, I would play 9... Nbd7

the reason why I don't like 9.. Nc6 is because I think maybe white will try

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9 a4 Nc6
10 c5 ! Na5
11 Ba3 Ne4
12 cxd6 cxd6

or any of those variations

pretty much evening both center and queenside. and the game looks with no advantage for either white or black.


I may be incorrect or wrong in my analysis, my QID play is weaker at this point than my QGD or Slav, please feel free to fix or input suggestions

question:

what if


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9 a4 Nc6
10 d5 !

??

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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-02 18:25:54
November 02 2009 18:18 GMT
#406
analysis
10 c5
10 d5
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both get responded to with 10. ... Na5 hitting the c4 square. I'm not sure what the plan is with on the c5 line is with 11. Ba3 but I'd play 11. ... dxc5 winning a pawn. White can trade 12 dxc5 Qxd1 13. Rxd1 Nb3 and that preserves black's queen side pawn structure.

as for d5 I don't see what stops black from playing e5 one turn later. After that Ba6 hitting the c4 pawn a second time and then black can reroute knight to c4. With the deadlock in the center, white will have to deal with that knight or trade his good bishop (dark) to get rid of it..
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Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
November 02 2009 18:28 GMT
#407
Sorry Guys for delay, I've been away for two days. Now it's updated!

3... 2... 1... VOTING!
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 02 2009 18:49 GMT
#408
10 ... Na5
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iloveambiguity
Profile Joined August 2009
United States81 Posts
November 02 2009 21:42 GMT
#409
Na5 for me
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 02 2009 22:15 GMT
#410
10...Na5

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I do not see the purpose of 10. Rb1; the most immediate threat is the line
a) 10. Rb1 Na5 11. c5, to which we can play either
a1) 11...Qe7 12. cxd6 cxd6, followed up by moves like either (Rac8 and Nd5 to assault the backwards c3 pawn, but perhaps prefaced by Ba6 to pressure and pin the e2 pawn, as well as momentarily tie down his queen?) or alteratively, play for a knight outpost on c4, after trading out light square bishop for his f3 knight, to prevent the exchange Nd2-xc4, then play d5 to solidify our centre and lock out his light bishop. that c4 knight could be quite the monster going into an endgame, especially against a tame bishop. Ba3 is not a posible counter now that the Rook is no longer on a1, due to Nc4 coming with tempo.

b) 11...dxc5 12. dxc5 and now:
b1) 12...Be4 13. Ra1 Nd5 14. Bb2 (or d2, very similar lines) Nc4 15. Qc1 bxc6 and we win a pawn and control of the b-file for our rooks. Note any rook move now wins a tempo as it his the bishop again.

ill do more later, its a public holiday here
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anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
November 02 2009 22:37 GMT
#411
I vote 10...Nc6-a5
jfrazz: + Show Spoiler +
If 11. c5 then Be4 seems better than Qe7
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 02 2009 23:18 GMT
#412
the order of my analysis doesn't denote preference, just the order i do the analysis in my head I agree with you.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
November 03 2009 00:42 GMT
#413
Nc6-a5
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
November 03 2009 00:51 GMT
#414
10...Nc6-a5
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 01:36:36
November 03 2009 10:22 GMT
#415
Ya i vote Nc6-a5
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Syntax Lost
Profile Joined May 2009
Finland86 Posts
November 03 2009 18:14 GMT
#416
I vote 10...Na5
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 03 2009 21:55 GMT
#417
10..Nc6-Na5
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
November 03 2009 23:49 GMT
#418
After watching the match between Kasparov and the world I am feeling slightly pessimistic about our chances. That was an amazing game.


Nc6-a5
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-04 00:26:40
November 04 2009 00:22 GMT
#419
nm
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
November 04 2009 00:39 GMT
#420
On November 04 2009 08:49 Athos wrote:
After watching the match between Kasparov and the world I am feeling slightly pessimistic about our chances. That was an amazing game.


Nc6-a5
I don't think Vekzel will take it as an insult if I say that we have a slightly better chance against him than we would against Kasparov.

I guess I'll vote for Nc6-a5 along with everyone else.
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