EPTBut I'm scared: Part I ??? What the heck will we get?
God of the Battlefield: Part 1 - Page 34
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
But I'm scared: Part I ??? What the heck will we get? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10350 Posts
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Armathai
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As someone who plays both TvZ and ZvT, I think the thought-process behind Saviours and his opponents choices is incredible and you can clearly see that Saviour took the current understanding of the metagame TvZ/ZvT and used that to his advantage in almost every manner possible. Looking forward to Part 2, I don't know if it'll be about the Maestro or someone else, but it should be awesome ^_^ | ||
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ott
United States74 Posts
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
Especially since the title says it's only Part 1. What? | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
And everyone who witnessed Savior know's that there is no current "bonjwa" in BW ever since, no not even Flash just because Jaedong still can be considered a rival for him. Savior had no rivals. Except the law, maybe. | ||
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Metaspace
Austria670 Posts
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Tsutchie
Australia951 Posts
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skiptomylou1231
United States63 Posts
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 25 2011 12:52 hmmm... wrote: this time, let's hope for a protoss hero to finally emerge. lol I don't think it will ever happen unfortunately. I don't even see a P winning a Starleague without a lot of luck. At the highest level, the top Terrans can now deal with Protoss as equals... and Zerg has an advantage against them. Having no real favoured matchup hurts their consistency terribly. On May 25 2011 15:18 LaughingTulkas wrote: To be honest, I think it has to be the matchfixing mostly. Thought I hate saying it, I don't think he could have fallen so far with just a "slump." But the betters made a killing because people would always still believe Savior would pull out of it and would bet on him, but with inside information that he'd lose you'd make so much money. The matchfixing came well after his slumping. He was playing awful at times. It's the 'path of the night' that was another reason he got distracted too, read the Boxer/Savior interview. I think once he fell behind the game from distractions he couldn't catch up again. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 25 2011 22:32 gondolin wrote: I really think is downfall was the combination of Bisu and ZvT. You have to remember that to reach the OSL and MSL final he had *very tough* ZvT against Midas, Hwasin and Iris where he was on the peak of elimination. So he had to start working a lot on ZvT again. Luckily his ZvP was invincible so he could focus on ZvT 100%... And then Bisu crushes him on the MSL final, so he had to rework all his ZvP again. Do you know that his biggest winning streak against P was right after the MSL final? Unfortunately, to rework his ZvP he did not have time to adjust his ZvT, and he was eliminated from the next OSL and MSL by terrans (Iris and FBH). He never truly recovered from that (especially since he could not beat Bisu again at Blizzcon). Interestingly Jaedong is suffering from this exact issue from now. He clearly worked on his ZvT mostly because of the Flash Starleague losses, now his other matchups have clearly fallen behind. Difference being that we all know Jaedong is mentally strong enough to shrug off the setbacks and re-establish his vP and vZ all over again. | ||
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epjx31
United Kingdom324 Posts
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Toshihito_TL
Australia145 Posts
We'll forever remember our fallen zerg hero. =( | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On a personal note, I was around long enough to see Savior as IPXzerg and even following BW way before that. To me, what Savior did for BW can be compared to what elite soccer players manage to do sometimes: For a while, or even for a single game they do beautiful plays that transcend the game and create art. However, as we now know, Savior was not and is not the best to ever play the game even if you only look at ZvT or ZvP. Players like Jaedong and Flash have outdone him in the play-transcending-bw category and Savior simply has the advantage of nostalgia in a lot of poster's minds. I am really disappointed that a lot of old members who were around for Savior disregard what people like Nada [ More successful and dominant than Savior ], Oov [ Undefeated in finals series ], Bisu [ Undoing Savior who you praise so much in 1 series ] and the relatively simple decline of Savior from ' Maestro ' to chump [ being stuck in a rut vs firebathero lol ] In the history of BW we have seen incredible mental toughness like Nada winning a starleague for his recently-passed father. Boxer passing the torch to his pupil etc....yet people ignore this for nostalgia and somehow put Savior on a pedestal. Savior may have created the word bonjwa, but if you look at Flash its hard to say he hasn't reached a level beyond bonjwa perhaps. For reference: "Conditions needed to enter the god line" Win at least 4 individual league titles in a season. Achieve 80% winrate in 100 matches in official games. Become the MVP for the Proleague Regular season, Winner's League, and the Post season. Have your team win the Proleague in the regular season, the winner's league, and the Post Season. Be in the finals of every official league in one season, including the Proleague. Obtain over 100 wins in official matches in one season, and obtain a 70% win rate against all races. Three consecutive dual-league final apperances Win both individual leagues in one season. Golden Mouse This is in the most hyper-competitive era ever in BW with players like Bisu [ who dethroned savior ], stork, jaedong, fantasy, etc.... players who may have been able to been bonjwas themselves in slightly different circumstances. In the end, I don't know whether to attribute my views to simply just hating savior for what he did or actually looking at his play realistically within the highest echelon of BW gamers we've ever seen. I loved Savior when he was IPXZerg because he was on the scrappy SUMA GO team with xellos, midas, and others but it was such a huge let down to know he was in the center or at least involved in the betting scandal. I firmly believe a lot of people here completely underrate the impact of what Savior did and what it could have potentially done to BW progaming, and even sc2 progaming. There was a segment done by oldest and best BW commentators about the effect of what Savior and crew had done and even though it was right after-the-incident it really opened my eyes to how terrible Savior is as a person. This led me to question his play too, because even though I like many others was at the edge of my seat whenever his perfect defiler-hive-tech timing came into play vs a SK terran....I realized that he would never be as good as Flash or Jaedong in technical skill or as inspiring as July winning the first zerg starleague title, or experience the absolute tyrannical dominance that Oov commanded. In the end, this is all just personal opinion but I feel like sharing it because in general it seems to me that old posters and people in high places at TL overlook what could have brought down the blood, sweat, effort, and tears of an entire industry we devote ourselves to so much. | ||
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Zorkey
Netherlands167 Posts
now its like OMG I WON SOMETHING, then get knocked out first round in the next few tournaments, its pretty sad. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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oovv
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