• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:36
CEST 04:36
KST 11:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed15Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed Who will win EWC 2025? RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Server Blocker
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Soulkey Muta Micro Map? [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 684 users

God of the Battlefield: Part 1 - Page 33

Forum Index > Final Edits
1154 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 58 Next
Click Here To Read Part 2
Crystal368
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden161 Posts
May 25 2011 13:09 GMT
#641
You guys are so fkin awesome at writing these things. Wow. TL ftw
|MKP|MMA|ThorZaIN|SjoW|SeleCT|
Gocchisama
Profile Joined May 2011
France5 Posts
May 25 2011 13:10 GMT
#642
incredible post.
i couldn't imagine how much zerg were struggling against terran in brood war era.
As a terran player i will pay my respect to savior from now on.he was truly a great player.
hell it's about time!
JohnnyYen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States313 Posts
May 25 2011 13:10 GMT
#643
Great read! Even without being into BW outside of making Carriers, I still really enjoyed reading this. 32 pages of replies already, impressive! Reading this makes me want to see Savior play SC2 so much. However it seems like most in the know would be opposed to this, from browsing the replies.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601
^^ btw, google chrome is telling me malware detected on this thread that Wolf linked earlier in the thread. Am I stupid for not blindly trusting anything on TL?

Thanks again for the awesome read! And I love the graphics as well.
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
May 25 2011 13:11 GMT
#644
Someone should recruit him for a foreign league, with some practise (i think of course he still plays for his own satisfaction ) this could be an earth-shaking experience for some of the actual "Pro's"
Rauff
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark18 Posts
May 25 2011 13:23 GMT
#645
so nice article. It is very emotional to read this stuff.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
May 25 2011 13:24 GMT
#646
Reading this makes me embarrassed of my SC2 play.
Being only a D+ => Diamond Protoss player I still wonder why i don't sandwich sieged terran armies as well as i did when it was much more difficult mechanically.

Regardless savior will always be remembered as a boss zerg. Although I am a huge bisu fan ;p
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
May 25 2011 13:28 GMT
#647
I really really really loved this article. I'm more of a lurker than a poster maniac but I feel that I have to say thank you concerning this final edit.

It touched me in so many ways. I never knew this era of BW except from this reputation and now I feel like I know some more about it.

This article is so awesome it makes me proud of TL and it's community. It is done with incredible talent and for sure it's a deep, very deep analysis of Savior and his plays.

I will use this article to illustrate Starcraft depth and eSport depth in general. It is perfect ; and it also have the ability to explain the legacy of Starcraft II.
Thank you for writing, editing, publishing this. It's awesome !
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
May 25 2011 13:29 GMT
#648
It is sad, he cannot take part in SC2..

I hope he is given another chance, he has already served jail terms right? Jail for 1 year is difficult life.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 13:43:40
May 25 2011 13:32 GMT
#649
Savior was the reason I got back into watching BW back in 2006. I had watched BW earlier around 2001-2003 but drifted away from the scene. Have been watching BW and SC2 every week since Savior went 3 hatch before his pool finishes on Arcadia. I think that game is my first clear memory of Savior.

gondolin
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
May 25 2011 13:32 GMT
#650
I remember some while ago a post by you saying you would be doing an article explaining Savior genius, I was so disappointed not to see it. I am glad it finally appeared, this is a truly amazing article.

On May 25 2011 17:58 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 17:56 konadora wrote:
On May 25 2011 13:31 Mystlord wrote:
Absolutely sick write up Ver. Major props! Can't wait for the next installment <3

Though it does make you wonder that if Savior understood the game to such a degree, exactly why did he start slumping?

i can identify a few, but mainly these two:
1) confidence - after being smashed 0-3 against someone with an expected 1-digit winning chance, who wouldn't lose confidence?

2) mechanics - savior's apm was definitely slow. his micro (at least his muta micro) was bad, to say the very least. his multitasking makes modern progamers laugh. he made up for it with insane understanding of the game and great unit utilization (such as lurkers, defilers and lings). once the average playing field stepped up, fast multitasking and apm eventually took over. he couldn't catch up.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236&currentpage=27#521

;D


I really think is downfall was the combination of Bisu and ZvT. You have to remember that to reach the OSL and MSL final he had *very tough* ZvT against Midas, Hwasin and Iris where he was on the peak of elimination. So he had to start working a lot on ZvT again. Luckily his ZvP was invincible so he could focus on ZvT 100%... And then Bisu crushes him on the MSL final, so he had to rework all his ZvP again. Do you know that his biggest winning streak against P was right after the MSL final? Unfortunately, to rework his ZvP he did not have time to adjust his ZvT, and he was eliminated from the next OSL and MSL by terrans (Iris and FBH). He never truly recovered from that (especially since he could not beat Bisu again at Blizzcon).
wraggy1234
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom135 Posts
May 25 2011 13:34 GMT
#651
so is he in prison at the moment ? if so how long does he have left in there? if not when does he start?

Isn't the ban only related to starcraft 1 ? therefore could compete proffessionaly for starcraft 2...

i'm sure there are going to be haters out there.. but personally i would love to see him come back to the starcraft scene.. there was nobody better than savior..

i need answers to my questions!

www.clngaming.com
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
May 25 2011 13:38 GMT
#652
WoW, that was just, AWESOME, to read. Oh man Imma read that again
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
Sanctimonius
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom861 Posts
May 25 2011 13:38 GMT
#653
I'm loving reading these articles on the heyday of Broodwar. I missed it all, I never knew the online scene of Broodwar. I really only got into online gaming when I moved out of home, and SC2 is my first RTS which I have played consistently online. Reading these articles makes me realise just how long SC1 has been going for and the legends which played. These guys dominated the scene, everyone knew who they were and what they did. I'm learning thes eguys for the first time and really enjoying it. From the sound of it Savior was a baller through and through. It's a shame he tainted his own legend.

It makes me really excited for the development of the SC2 scene. I want the new Flash, the new Savior. I want the guy at the head of the pack, the one they all want to beat. Here's hoping SC2 enjoys such amazing players.
You live the life you choose.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
May 25 2011 13:43 GMT
#654
On May 25 2011 21:06 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 20:42 Highways wrote:
Awesome article.

I remember downloading every sAviOr ZvT win during his peak. My favourite move from him was that double mind trick stop lurkers, where he only used stop lurkers below the ramp and placed two lurkers above the ramp. His opponent sent a scouting marine and saw two lurkers above the ramp and assumed it was safe and went into the hold lurkers below the ramp. It was vs an unknown player, cant remember who.

Also agree T>>>>>>>>>Z



His facial expressions at the end... LOL!

Sick write up, gj!
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 25 2011 13:54 GMT
#655
On May 25 2011 21:06 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 20:42 Highways wrote:
Awesome article.

I remember downloading every sAviOr ZvT win during his peak. My favourite move from him was that double mind trick stop lurkers, where he only used stop lurkers below the ramp and placed two lurkers above the ramp. His opponent sent a scouting marine and saw two lurkers above the ramp and assumed it was safe and went into the hold lurkers below the ramp. It was vs an unknown player, cant remember who.

Also agree T>>>>>>>>>Z


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ySBRthwFY

So... clean. Cleanliness is Godliness, no?
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
May 25 2011 13:55 GMT
#656
Fucking epic writing! Continue doing this!!! :D:D:D:D:D:DD:D:D
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Jayvee13
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3 Posts
May 25 2011 13:56 GMT
#657
Wow. Very impressive article. You put a lot of work into this. Awesome graphics and typography too.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 25 2011 13:59 GMT
#658
On May 25 2011 22:34 wraggy1234 wrote:
so is he in prison at the moment ? if so how long does he have left in there? if not when does he start?

Isn't the ban only related to starcraft 1 ? therefore could compete proffessionaly for starcraft 2...

i'm sure there are going to be haters out there.. but personally i would love to see him come back to the starcraft scene.. there was nobody better than savior..

i need answers to my questions!


No, a suspended sentence is kind of like probation, which means if he fucks something up in the coming 2 (now 1) years, he would have to go straight to jail.

The ban is related to all progaming in Korea at the moment because KeSPA obviously banned him, and GOM said they also will never allow him back either. Technically he could play for some league/team/tournaments/whatever if he wanted to, but

1. Most people will not want to tarnish their image by allowing him in, considering he actively worked against the integrity of the very community they belong to. It's like criminals applying to be cops, book burners to be teachers, anarchists to be politicians, etc.

2. I doubt he himself will ever want to be a progamer again, considering the amount of shame he must feel.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
May 25 2011 14:10 GMT
#659
whoa. this is like the best article ever. great writeup. really liked it.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 25 2011 14:10 GMT
#660
Amazing article.

Does anyone know what Part 2 will be about?
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 58 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 223
NeuroSwarm 181
RuFF_SC2 159
StarCraft: Brood War
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Icarus 4
LuMiX 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever954
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K703
Other Games
summit1g16600
shahzam847
JimRising 505
ViBE236
C9.Mang0235
WinterStarcraft154
Trikslyr87
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2596
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 138
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt213
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
7h 24m
Epic.LAN
9h 24m
CSO Contender
14h 24m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
Online Event
1d 13h
Esports World Cup
3 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
Championship of Russia 2025
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.