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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
May 25 2011 16:09 GMT
#681
Holy crap, what an article. I only skimmed it but oh man, you can believe i'll be going over all this a few times in the coming weeks.

@_@

Sucks about the match fixing. Won't really comment but to say i think harsh penalties are mandatory. You need a deterrent. The higher the penalty, the higher the risk, the less likely people are to get involved. Can't stop everyone, but like moderation (forum moderation etc) you need a strict enforcement policy. I hope our foreigner SC2 growth is ready to tackle this issue head on should it ever arise here. Serious business.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
May 25 2011 16:13 GMT
#682
Damn it Ver I read this like 7 times already,I probably know this article word for word now lol.

I can't Wait for Part 2.HOLY WARZZZZ!!!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
saviour
Profile Joined January 2011
China5 Posts
May 25 2011 16:18 GMT
#683
i think sAviOr is the best Zergplayer in our world
please win the respect of him
no Ma Bonjwa no zerg
i am Ma Bonjwa fan forever
excellent article
LaMancha
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 25 2011 16:28 GMT
#684
This is a pretty great article. I'm still reading it, but I wanted to comment regardless. I'm glad this was posted.
Hello
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
May 25 2011 16:29 GMT
#685
This was brilliant, it opened my eyes to one of, if not the greatest player in the world! I enjoyed this article very much, Savior seemed brilliant. Shame he cheated, though.
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
xboxola
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2 Posts
May 25 2011 16:31 GMT
#686
Great article dissecting an important and overlooked aspect of the game.
audioTM
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3 Posts
May 25 2011 16:36 GMT
#687
Awesome article. Very well written and awesome images and VOD's to go with it.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
May 25 2011 16:36 GMT
#688
I need to find some time to read the whole thing, but from the first section I get the feeling this is going to be really great. Amazing presentation, amazing topic, are you a journalist or just a TL contributor?
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
May 25 2011 16:39 GMT
#689
Thanks for this article. It made me appreciate BW more than I previously did as someone who came into this community by the time TSL 2 started to finish up (RO4, I think) so I've only ever heard of the big names like Boxer and SaviOr. Never seen them play and never known what was so special about them.

I do watch the occasional MSL/OSL/Proleague, though, after being hyped up by all the enthusiasm on this site. Quite awesome stuff, quite awesome indeed.
MrASAP
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
May 25 2011 16:58 GMT
#690
very well written article. I did intend to play some sc2 last night but instead ended up reading and watching all the vods, then it was too late to play heh
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 25 2011 17:00 GMT
#691
I love articles that dissect what made great players great.

Nice job.
Gatsbizzle
Profile Joined March 2010
United States132 Posts
May 25 2011 17:05 GMT
#692
Awesome article; this in-depth examination of play is what I love about Final Edits and Brood War!
I joined TeamLiquid for TSL2 but I stayed for Nada's Body.
Sharkyloft
Profile Joined December 2010
Colombia69 Posts
May 25 2011 17:07 GMT
#693
On May 25 2011 12:56 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 12:11 Sharkyloft wrote:

I read the whole thread not to repeat anything that was being said b4, the only mention of something similar is a post asking if and if so when will we see this caliber games in SC2.

Im concerned.

I dont know brood war in depth, that is why I would like the opinion of someone who does, but from the things ive seen here on TL and the fact that the BW scene is still "alive and kicking", we could consider these games as equals, (aside from graphics of course).

Is brood war a deeper game where more complex strategies are possible?
Is brood war skill cap higher?
Is WoL a simple and easy game compared to its predecessor?
How was brood war at its beginning?

Im throwing a lot of questions out there. You see, Im concerned. I love Starcraft 2 with all my heart, but when I compare both games and the skill level involved, I cant help but feeling SC2 is a much simpler, pretty and shallow game. I certainly hope im wrong... but... am I?

These questions are not able to be answered. As much as I would love to provide answers. Brood War, to answer the question, was simpler in the beginning than it is today, to say the very least. But it's impossible to compare the two, even from the start. In SC2 we had a huge base of knowledge to start with that didn't exist in BW. But I don't know that it CAN'T evolve. It's impossible to say without time/expansions.

edit: And before people say we should just "give it time" I think it's ok to start to wonder what will need to happen in expansions to see another BW

Another edit: BTW to the other response that we just need to wait, all games don't magically end up BW. Plenty of games have just straight flopped or die.


Thank You
I totally Agree with you.
There are some things that depend on how the game is designed. Maybe SC2 is just not as deep as a game right now, and no matter how much time we wait, if it is not changed, it will never reach the level BW has. Im not sure about this, Im no game designer myself, but it deserves some thought.

I mean, it looks like childsplay when compared to what Saviour, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Oov and others were doing. Just look at GSL!

Could it be that the game is faster paced so that deep profound complex strategies are less viable than overwhelming timing attacks?
lphoenixl
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada71 Posts
May 25 2011 17:09 GMT
#694
Wow.. awesome article. The tactics made in sc1 can be easily translated to sc2. This article made me miss the lurker and its capability to hold down positions and delaying attacks. Perhaps burrowed banelings will be the answer for sc2. This makes me excited for what types of monsters will appear in the future.
your face
Tsavong
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada15 Posts
May 25 2011 17:18 GMT
#695
He's so dreamy♥...
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 17:49:31
May 25 2011 17:29 GMT
#696
I'm sorry you had to sit on this for a year, would have drove me crazy. This is what TLFEs should look like.

Nice artwork too.

Edit: the FBH dance means a lot more all of a sudden
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
May 25 2011 17:30 GMT
#697
Seriously all the tactics stated in the articles are what makes BW great.

These tactics still apply in SC2 but to a much lesser extent, and that, is the difference.

Savior is going to destroy everyone in 2013 when he's serving his prison sentence
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
May 25 2011 17:40 GMT
#698
I really hope there will be more mention of Bisu in part 2 ^^, or at least explained why the god of the battlefield "tactics" got destroyed completely by Bisu's dagger of justice.
Khassar de Templari
zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
May 25 2011 17:40 GMT
#699
I WILL ONLY SAY THIS ONCE, FUCK YOU!!! YOU KNOW IM WEAK TO MA JAE JOON

I miss you Savior, i really do
GraphicsNo soy dominante, solo tengo mejores ideas...| Sorry Oshi, 4-1 shows that im better than you =D i wont do any more mistakes now
Otakusan
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
May 25 2011 17:47 GMT
#700
Excellent read. To the new readers/members of TL since the release of SC2, this article gives a glimpse of why SC2 lacks so far behind SC:BW when it comes to tactics, positioning, mind games, and overall greatness.

THIS is why BW veterans always bash SC2. Because BW has so much more to offer.

This article brought nerd tears to my eyes. I watched SC:BW since SlayerS_`BoxeR` (yes, correctly spelled) days and followed the rise and deaths of bonjwas and development of strategies, and I honestly wish SC2 will develop into something even of comparison.
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