• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:17
CEST 15:17
KST 22:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed17Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Who will win EWC 2025? Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Soulkey Muta Micro Map? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 746 users

The Elephant in the Room - Page 225

Forum Index > Final Edits
6513 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 223 224 225 226 227 326 Next
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
January 10 2012 20:55 GMT
#4481
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
January 10 2012 20:59 GMT
#4482
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.



I don't think its fair (or reasonable) to compare SC2 in it's current state, to BW.

Everyone is still learning, and still has alot to learn, in SC2. So of course if you're coming from a game where "nearly everything is figured out" it's going to seem awkward & messy (and disappointing?)
actionbastrd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Congo598 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 21:01:29
January 10 2012 21:00 GMT
#4483
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.



Basically this. Like if you seriously think BW fans were just attached and hated sc2 from the announcement you are assuming way too much. I would actually even bet the other way (and i know it was this way for the few ppl i knew), everyone who was in BW still was epically looking forward to sc2. It dropped, they didn't think it lived up to the first one, disappointment, and now we are here. Either way i just think of them as two different rts games. I dont get the big deal to prove one is better than the other, or everyone should go to this one cuz its newer and all that crap. Play what you enjoy, thats what i do ^__^

Things might change down the line when the game gets more figured out, patched, and new units get put in. For better or worse who knows. Hopefully better. Better is always better :D, it might bring in some BW peeps
It rained today inside my head...
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
January 10 2012 21:00 GMT
#4484
I wouldn't call the current sc2 competition a farce, as I feel that nowadays, the progamers are taking it very seriously and getting very good at the game. 8 months ago? Yeah, it was pretty stupid, but nowadays, people are playing on a decent level.

However, BW A teamers will completely dominate if they switch.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
January 10 2012 21:00 GMT
#4485
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.



This is so true, theres just so many more things you can do in brood war than starcraft 2 to be the better player. I mean just look at any late game engagement in pvt and compare them with brood war and sc2.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Nourek
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 21:05:35
January 10 2012 21:03 GMT
#4486
On January 11 2012 05:05 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 04:56 intrigue wrote:
it's "frivolous and trivial" if you're informed, and "sc2-bashing" if you're not.


Perhaps it's frivolous and trivial due to the fact that what you presented is largely impenetrable to cogent criticism. It's a fun read, but there is no possible way to constructively debate any points given the fact that not a single top BW player is currently competing in SC2 (I'm talking Flash, not fOrGG)

Besides, that elephant in the room definitely wasn't that people thought the current pros were better than Flash, or even that they wouldn't get dominated by Flash.

To quote the TLDR (as I see it):
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games."

Now, you can quibble about whether forgg is dominating right now. I don't think getting to Code S and only losing to Leenock and MC in two Bo3s is bad at all, but when you say that there's 300 people who would come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, you would expect a bit better than Code S R32 and falling back down to Code A right away.


If you asked most SC2 fans back in May 2011 if they thought a player of Flash's or Jaedong's caliber would dominate SC2 and crush the competition, I don't think you'd have got that much controversy. It's that intrigue said 300 BW pros and semi-pros could come over and dominate and show SC2 to be a farce.

That didn't happen, so far at least. The sample size is still pretty small.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 10 2012 21:07 GMT
#4487
On January 11 2012 06:00 TBone- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.



This is so true, theres just so many more things you can do in brood war than starcraft 2 to be the better player. I mean just look at any late game engagement in pvt and compare them with brood war and sc2.

you mean be the better gamer as in "oh I can control my units with shit pathing better than you? guess I win herp derp" Also, the games been out for like 10 years. Think about how much the strategy changed over that time and then think about how long SC2 has been out.
Hittomogasin
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland80 Posts
January 10 2012 21:14 GMT
#4488
On January 11 2012 06:00 TBone- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.



This is so true, theres just so many more things you can do in brood war than starcraft 2 to be the better player. I mean just look at any late game engagement in pvt and compare them with brood war and sc2.


It never ceases to amaze me how people claim absolute knowledge of the game when absolutely none of the real pros do.
Trolling: mental illness or acceptable social phenomena?
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 21:38:45
January 10 2012 21:23 GMT
#4489
I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.


Why would the occasional nostalgia for a game they enjoyed and spent years playing upset you so much? It's not like they ever bash sc2 or ever directly say bw is better. I don't think gsl commentary hardly ever brings up broodwar except to maybe say a strategy is similar to something in bw or talk about a players past in bw and those seam reasonable things to bring up. Is it really that big of a problem you'd mute the whole thing just for that?

Man it's like your first civilization game being number 5 and getting upset because someone on the internet mentioned the "good old days" of civ 4 as an attack on your game as not worth enjoying or something. Its just an opinion on the subjective quality of different video games not everyone is going to agree with you on it.

Their are plenty of video game series where fans argue about and rank which ones are better then others and why, even when all the games are very very good! Maybe someday you can tell sc3 fans why the good old days of sc2:heart of the swarm was the best starcraft version ever(because blizz messed everything up in legacy in the void) it's just part of the fun of being a fan don't get so upset you deny yourself awesome content you otherwise would enjoy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15677 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 22:05:07
January 10 2012 21:23 GMT
#4490
This is why you don't post so definitively on the internet about things you aren't knowledgeable about.

So many people were posting about ForGG guaranteed sweeping his group, as a result of his BW status. Come on, guys, keep your egos in check. You didn't know that was going to happen and it didn't happen. Quit trying. I'm not bashing the writer of the OP, just referring to the people in this thread who were convinced that forGG was going to be going through code S like a meat grinder.
justsayinbro
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
307 Posts
January 10 2012 21:25 GMT
#4491
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.

no substance, this is a clear troll. but when one argues for bw TL mods seems to ban sparingly.

This doesnt mean anything - it's a great quote because it actually doesnt mean anything and people will intepret that as "bw players doesnt have a edge over anyone else!" while it only means that the potential of a human beeing doesnt care what game you play. I.e we're all humans and can do similar things. It completely forgoes the fact that those who played BW before have reached a higher level than those that didnt because of extremly good workethics which is why they _have_ an edge.

I agree with you, and Mr. Chae stated just about what you are saying right after the quote that BW pros have the edge in their work ethics compared to sc2 pros.
moltobenny
Profile Joined April 2011
5 Posts
January 10 2012 21:39 GMT
#4492
I got tired of all the SC2-bashing at b.net forums, so they said, come over here. Look! There's more!

Does anyone actually like this game, or what?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
January 10 2012 21:41 GMT
#4493
I always thought this article would've had a point if SC2 and BW were the same exact game.

Too bad they aren't.
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
January 10 2012 21:42 GMT
#4494
what elephant?
Nightshade_
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States549 Posts
January 10 2012 21:43 GMT
#4495
Why was this awful thread bumped?
Lil' Joey, Master of the A-Move Stalker Strike Force
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
January 10 2012 21:46 GMT
#4496
W/e, im still looking forward to more BW pros switching over.

The assumption that they will instantly win everything is slowly being debunked but then everyone will always say that "oh he wasn't good anyways" whenever someone does anything less than complete domination.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
January 10 2012 21:47 GMT
#4497
On January 11 2012 06:43 Nightshade_ wrote:
Why was this awful thread bumped?


Everytime forgg took a game from anyone, somebody bumped this thread

So when forgg got 0-2 today, somebody bumped it
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
January 10 2012 21:47 GMT
#4498
The ignorance as well as the lack of maturity displayed in this thread are simply astonishing, and saddening.

There are a lot of overrated and overhyped players, and ForGG happens to be one of them. Yet, as soon as he loses a couple of games, people come here to shit on a editorial that was written 8 months ago. These people must have very sad life indeed.
o choro é livre
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
January 10 2012 21:51 GMT
#4499
On January 11 2012 06:47 Al Bundy wrote:
The ignorance as well as the lack of maturity displayed in this thread are simply astonishing, and saddening.

There are a lot of overrated and overhyped players, and ForGG happens to be one of them. Yet, as soon as he loses a couple of games, people come here to shit on a editorial that was written 8 months ago. These people must have very sad life indeed.


You know Hot_Bid bumped this thread every time he won right?
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
January 10 2012 21:57 GMT
#4500
On January 11 2012 06:25 justsayinbro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:50 RinconH wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 iplayBANJO wrote:
On January 11 2012 04:29 intrigue wrote:
just wanted to drop by and say that i am totally unfazed! and honestly really perplexed that people still have the shamelessness to jump in here for 'revenge'. how many times have you guys done that and gotten proven wrong all over again?


You really shouldn't be surprised that the Starcraft 2 fans would act this way. This thread is only one small example of the general opinion of Brood War players and fans that Brood War is a better game than Starcraft 2, and by extension all Brood War players and fans are better than their Starcraft 2 equivalents. I suppose it could be said however, that this thread is the central focus of them based on the way it is constantly being brought up by both sides.

I, for one, have grown so tired of hearing about the "good old days" of Brood War that I cannot watch the Day9 Daily, I mute the commentary of the GSL, and I find it difficult to watch State of the Game.

No one denies that the level of play during the GSL open seasons was not what it is today, and I doubt anyone would even think to argue that the level of play will not continue to improve in the future. What Starcraft 2 fans, and I lump myself into the group at this point, are sick of is hearing that what they enjoy is not worth enjoying compared to what has happened in Brood War.

Would you like me to compare Fruit Dealer, NesTea, and MC to people like Freemura, Grrrr..., and H.O.T-Forever? It's easy for you to look back at those players and laugh about how terrible they were compared to Brood War players today, but I bet if you watched them play back then, or at least heard about them play back then, you were just as excited about them as we were about our first champions.

You, Brood War fans, opened this by becoming upset about our joy at a new found passion. I doubt any of us have talked poorly about your players, and many of us have actually gotten back into Brood War, or picked it up for the first time out of curiosity about the game that pioneered our newly acquired passion. The vast majority of Starcraft 2 fans have deep respect for the players and fans of Brood War, as well as for the game itself. We would appreciate it if you could show a little respect and encouragement to us, rather than shutting us down at every opportunity.

I apologize for any disrespect shown in the responses of the Starcraft 2 fans, and I assure you it is fleeting. We just sometimes need to let off some steam after all the tension that is built up from these occasions. So please, try not to be offended by our cries of passion and more than that, try not to trivialize them.


Good post but save your angst.

BW fans are depressed they are attached to a diminishing game and need to lash out to feel better about themselves.

Let them have their catharsis if it makes them feel any better.

BW fans are depressed because SC2 is a huge disappointment.

no substance, this is a clear troll. but when one argues for bw TL mods seems to ban sparingly.

Show nested quote +
This doesnt mean anything - it's a great quote because it actually doesnt mean anything and people will intepret that as "bw players doesnt have a edge over anyone else!" while it only means that the potential of a human beeing doesnt care what game you play. I.e we're all humans and can do similar things. It completely forgoes the fact that those who played BW before have reached a higher level than those that didnt because of extremly good workethics which is why they _have_ an edge.

I agree with you, and Mr. Chae stated just about what you are saying right after the quote that BW pros have the edge in their work ethics compared to sc2 pros.

No, it's not a troll, it's actually how many BW players feel. I wish I could like SC2, alone just because for the sake of Nada and BoxeR.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Prev 1 223 224 225 226 227 326 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
12:00
Epic.LAN 45 Playoffs Stage
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Sea Duckling Open #136
CranKy Ducklings142
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 3741
Barracks 3110
Mini 1204
Hyuk 964
Larva 919
Stork 633
firebathero 416
Soma 336
Dewaltoss 275
Last 249
[ Show more ]
GuemChi 234
TY 154
Hyun 130
Light 124
ToSsGirL 95
Pusan 92
Bonyth 88
Backho 49
GoRush 20
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7762
singsing2672
qojqva1605
Fuzer 182
canceldota91
Counter-Strike
sgares363
Stewie2K306
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor218
Other Games
B2W.Neo1851
DeMusliM442
Lowko214
Trikslyr26
ArmadaUGS18
Rex13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2843
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH273
• Legendk 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1936
• Jankos1134
Upcoming Events
CSO Contender
3h 44m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 44m
Online Event
1d 2h
Esports World Cup
2 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
3 days
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
Championship of Russia 2025
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.