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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:32 bittman wrote: Can ForGG fans leave it in his fanclub? Bumping for the sake of bumping everytime ForGG plays is almost the only remaining point of this thread... Fuck yeah that's the only remaining point. And it's going to keep getting bumped  He's only been legitimately practicing for 2 months. | ||
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Alokiya
United States648 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:36 hasuterrans wrote: Fuck yeah that's the only remaining point. And it's going to keep getting bumped Forgg said in his previous interview (before his match tonight) that he has only been legitimately practicing sc2 for 2 months. So post it in his fanclub, it's kind of silly to keep bumping a thread that's only going to result in a flame war when you could post the same things somewhere where it's going to be much better accepted. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:38 Alokiya wrote: So post it in his fanclub, it's kind of silly to keep bumping a thread that's only going to result in a flame war when you could post the same things somewhere where it's going to be much better accepted. Well, we had a TL official do it last game he played, so people obviously assume it's the way to go to look cool?! | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:38 Alokiya wrote: So post it in his fanclub, it's kind of silly to keep bumping a thread that's only going to result in a flame war when you could post the same things somewhere where it's going to be much better accepted. Don't open the thread if it bothers you. It's relevant to the thread given the large amount of discussion regarding bw pros switching, specifically forgg. He's the first semi-decent bw pro to switch. No one is forcing you to get in a flame war. | ||
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Alokiya
United States648 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:41 hasuterrans wrote: Don't open the thread if it bothers you. It's relevant to the thread given the large amount of discussion regarding bw pros switching, specifically forgg. He's the first semi-decent bw pro to switch. No one is forcing you to get in a flame war. I really don't care one way or another, I just feel like it's gonna be easier and seem less inflammatory to post in his fan club instead of continuously bumping the one thread on TL people hate more than anything else. Just how I feel, but I'm probably wrong. I only want to protect you! | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:36 hasuterrans wrote: Fuck yeah that's the only remaining point. And it's going to keep getting bumped Forgg said in his previous interview (before his match tonight) that he has only been legitimately practicing sc2 for 2 months. He's been practicing an RTS game with 3 races, army control, economic management, build orders, unit compositions, abilities, counters, positioning and mind games for years already. To be honest, he is of the level I expect from a BW pro. The only real reason I think this thread is being bumped is that BW pros of decent ability statistically (not named MVP) haven't done well already. For every MVP and ForGG, there's been a July, Boxer and Nada who have the mind, history and mechanics of a champion but are only middle of the road. Of course, they're past their prime, but still. Also I never got the point of the entire article. Players who are the best at a game similar to another will be the best at it? Well of course. If Moon committed to SC2 he'd be pretty sick too, but it's fairly obvious this is part time to him. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:36 hasuterrans wrote: Fuck yeah that's the only remaining point. And it's going to keep getting bumped He's only been legitimately practicing for 2 months. You know he has been laddering for quite a bit longer right? Team house sure but some people here make it sound like he came out of nowhere and just picked up the game 2months ago. | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:50 Assirra wrote: You know he has been laddering for quite a bit longer right? Team house sure but some people here make it sound like he came out of nowhere and just picked up the game 2months ago. There's a large difference between laddering casually and practicing professionally. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:47 bittman wrote: He's been practicing an RTS game with 3 races, army control, economic management, build orders, unit compositions, abilities, counters, positioning and mind games for years already. To be honest, he is of the level I expect from a BW pro. The only real reason I think this thread is being bumped is that BW pros of decent ability statistically (not named MVP) haven't done well already. For every MVP and ForGG, there's been a July, Boxer and Nada who have the mind, history and mechanics of a champion but are only middle of the road. Of course, they're past their prime, but still. Also I never got the point of the entire article. Players who are the best at a game similar to another will be the best at it? Well of course. If Moon committed to SC2 he'd be pretty sick too, but it's fairly obvious this is part time to him. Boxer, Nada and July were heavily washed up in Broodwar long before switching. fOrGG was ranked 16th best Broodwar player for December 2010, none of the other 3 big names were in the top 30, they weren't even active players anymore because they weren't good enough to be allowed to play in Proleague and couldn't cut it in Starleague. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173395 MVP was ranked 39th in June 2010, and Nada was ranked 75th in July 2010. fOrGG is way, way better than those 3 legendary players in terms of the most recent measurements of Brodowar skill, and seemingly way better than them at SC2 already. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:47 bittman wrote: He's been practicing an RTS game with 3 races, army control, economic management, build orders, unit compositions, abilities, counters, positioning and mind games for years already. To be honest, he is of the level I expect from a BW pro. The only real reason I think this thread is being bumped is that BW pros of decent ability statistically (not named MVP) haven't done well already. For every MVP and ForGG, there's been a July, Boxer and Nada who have the mind, history and mechanics of a champion but are only middle of the road. Of course, they're past their prime, but still. Also I never got the point of the entire article. Players who are the best at a game similar to another will be the best at it? Well of course. If Moon committed to SC2 he'd be pretty sick too, but it's fairly obvious this is part time to him. Okay, someone like Juni was getting more playtime than all three of those legends combined. There is absolutely no comparison between someone who was a proleague regular and someone who was great a decade ago. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:47 bittman wrote: He's been practicing an RTS game with 3 races, army control, economic management, build orders, unit compositions, abilities, counters, positioning and mind games for years already. To be honest, he is of the level I expect from a BW pro. The only real reason I think this thread is being bumped is that BW pros of decent ability statistically (not named MVP) haven't done well already. For every MVP and ForGG, there's been a July, Boxer and Nada who have the mind, history and mechanics of a champion but are only middle of the road. Of course, they're past their prime, but still. Also I never got the point of the entire article. Players who are the best at a game similar to another will be the best at it? Well of course. If Moon committed to SC2 he'd be pretty sick too, but it's fairly obvious this is part time to him. The lack of understanding of BW history displayed in the SC2 community is truly shocking. By the time they switched over to SC2, Nada, Boxer, and July were all terrible at BW. None of them were fielded regularly in proleague and they never got far in individual leagues after 2008. They were far better skillwise than they were at their prime, winning starleagues left and right, but everyone else improved so much more. The current best SC2 players in the world also excelled at BW (MVP, MMA, MC, Bomber, Ganzi, Puma were all better at BW than everyone else. Neatea was a coach, so he had a very deep understanding of BW despite being an older guy). The best out of them at BW, probably MVP (he was more successful in 2010 than forGG), was a very mediocre A teamer. It is entirely unsurprising to me that he's also the most consistently highly skilled out of all current SC2 pros. A class and S class BW players have a far deeper understanding of Starcraft than MVP and if they ever do switch over to SC2, the current SC2 pros would all be completely outclassed. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:52 hasuterrans wrote: There's a large difference between laddering casually and practicing professionally. Ofc there is, i mean its not like he just learned the game from zero in 2months. | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:56 Assirra wrote: Ofc there is, i mean its not like he just learned the game from zero in 2months. Nobody has said that. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:52 hasuterrans wrote: There's a large difference between laddering casually and practicing professionally. Hardly when you play 30 games a day minimum and hold 3 accounts in GM KR before joining a team, but you know keep believing what you want. | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:58 ptrpb wrote: Hardly when you play 30 games a day minimum and hold 3 accounts in GM KR before joining a team, but you know keep believing what you want. Source? I'm legitimately curious, I haven't read anything saying he's practicing 30 games a day since he retired from bw. Getting GM in Korea is within the capability of any BW player making regular pro-league appearance. That's not really evidence of much tbh. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 06 2011 20:00 hasuterrans wrote: Source? I'm legitimately curious, I haven't read anything saying he's practicing 30 games a day since he retired from bw. Getting GM in Korea is within the capability of any BW player making regular pro-league appearance. That's not really evidence of much tbh. Check out his sc2ranks time to time for his 3 accounts. I kept tabs ever since HuK revealed it was fOrGG on the Raptor account. He was mass gaming hard. Also what is your rationale for "Getting GM in Korea is within the capability of any BW player making regular pro-league appearance." other than the proof-less notion of "well bw players are better than sc2 players because bw is harder" because in the theard about bw teams playing SC2, many regular BW pros made master and no higher... | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On December 06 2011 19:56 chenchen wrote: The best out of them at BW, probably MVP (he was more successful in 2010 than forGG), People keep repeating this over and over again, and it just isn't true. fOrGG had a better record in proleague (fOrGG was 24-23 in proleague, MVP was 5-9), a better record in individual leagues (13-12 compared to 7-8 (not including offline quals, since fOrGG usually didn't have to do it because he got to ro16 a bunch)), and made it higher in individual leagues (he made it to ro8 twice and was consistent in getting to the ro16 in both OSL and MSL, MVP made it to one ro8 when he was on a hot streak, and then bombed out in the first round next season). The only thing MVP did was manage to somehow win a game vs flash (then lose the next 3). | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38239 Posts
On December 06 2011 20:00 hasuterrans wrote: Source? I'm legitimately curious, I haven't read anything saying he's practicing 30 games a day since he retired from bw. Getting GM in Korea is within the capability of any BW player making regular pro-league appearance. That's not really evidence of much tbh. http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/2842545/1/Raptor/ http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/2977185/1/Apex/ http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1590828/1/Fin/ Are known smurfs for ForGG, not sure if he has more or not. Don't know a source on 30 games a day but he's certainly played a lot. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 06 2011 20:05 b0lt wrote: People keep repeating this over and over again, and it just isn't true. fOrGG had a better record in proleague (fOrGG was 24-23 in proleague, MVP was 5-9), a better record in individual leagues (13-12 compared to 7-8 (not including offline quals, since fOrGG usually didn't have to do it because he got to ro16 a bunch)), and made it higher in individual leagues (he made it to ro8 twice and was consistent in getting to the ro16 in both OSL and MSL, MVP made it to one ro8 when he was on a hot streak, and then bombed out in the first round next season). The only thing MVP did was manage to somehow win a game vs flash (then lose the next 3). Ya, KeSPA ranked fOrGG 16th in December 2010 and MVP was not in the top 30. KeSPA ranked MVP 39th and fOrGG was ranked 22nd in June 2010. | ||
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