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On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was  .
Seeing the WCS Korea Preliminaries, I'm quite scared about the KeSPA players. I think that by the end of the Proleague season a few/several KeSPA players could be in code S.
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Did Jaedong just receive an invite to WCS Korea Qualifier ?
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On July 23 2012 14:32 Parcelleus wrote:
Did Jaedong just receive an invite to WCS Korea Qualifier ?
Yeah he got a kespa seed. That is why he didn't play today in wcs.
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On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was .
Dude give them some time! They won't even get close to their true Sc2 potential untill next SPL season, when they will go full Sc2.
Edit : They already improve week after week..
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Thanks for the heads-up blade55555. 
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On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was .
Hahahaha what the hell are you talking about?
I was thinking the EXACT OPPOSITE.
I was like "WOW they can already take games off korean SC2 pros that have been playing since the beta even though they still play BW alongside SC2. If that goes on like this, they will catch up pretty fast
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On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was .
The Elephant in the Room, that is dominate in a couple of months, was about SC2 a long time ago. Everybody realized (except those interpreting the thread wrong, of course) that the level of play has increased by a mile since then. Even then we see many Kespa players being competetive when playing two games and only with couple of months of practise. WCS has definitely shown that the Elephant thread had a point that still stands.
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Seriously, just wait. Probably around HoTS release, Jaedong and some others KeSPA players will most likely dominate the scene. You have to be clueless about Starcraft to ignore that possibilty.
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looking at reality hes already playing code s level i believe.
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On July 23 2012 23:17 sM.Zik wrote:
Seriously, just wait. Probably around HoTS release, Jaedong and some others KeSPA players will most likely dominate the scene. You have to be clueless about Starcraft to ignore that possibilty.
I don't think so. Mechanics and multitasking may have been the most important thing in BW but it isn't in SC2. They will probably be near the top but they won't dominate.
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On July 23 2012 23:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 23:17 sM.Zik wrote:
Seriously, just wait. Probably around HoTS release, Jaedong and some others KeSPA players will most likely dominate the scene. You have to be clueless about Starcraft to ignore that possibilty. I don't think so. Mechanics and multitasking may have been the most important thing in BW but it isn't in SC2. They will probably be near the top but they won't dominate.
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's a good rule of thumb to remain silent.
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On July 23 2012 23:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 23:17 sM.Zik wrote:
Seriously, just wait. Probably around HoTS release, Jaedong and some others KeSPA players will most likely dominate the scene. You have to be clueless about Starcraft to ignore that possibilty. I don't think so. Mechanics and multitasking may have been the most important thing in BW but it isn't in SC2. They will probably be near the top but they won't dominate.
It is still the most important thing but not as much as in BW. You can always micro better while having perfect macro.
Micro is just as important as in BW.
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On July 23 2012 23:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 23:17 sM.Zik wrote:
Seriously, just wait. Probably around HoTS release, Jaedong and some others KeSPA players will most likely dominate the scene. You have to be clueless about Starcraft to ignore that possibilty. I don't think so. Mechanics and multitasking may have been the most important thing in BW but it isn't in SC2. They will probably be near the top but they won't dominate.
Mechanics and multitasking isn't "THAT" important right now because the standard is pretty low in the current state of the game. When HotS comes out and everyone will start from scratch more KeSPA/ex BW players will be on the top and not be behind so much in skill and game understanding. So when the "GSL" players doesn't have the game knowledge edge anymore and everyone is on the same footing, KeSPA players will have the edge because they are superior in mechanics and will probably be able to put their multitasking to use and come up with game plans that revolve around this.
Of course there are "GSL" players that will still be able to compete but there will be so many players that will disappear in HotS once it all settles down. And have in mind that the KeSPA teams will probably pick up some promising guys from non-KeSPA teams and then they have their coaching staff with alot of experience, the cash they have and the fucking amazing work ethic. KeSPA teams will be fucking power houses in the end if Starcraft 2 survives in Korea.
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On July 23 2012 23:25 Diizzy wrote:
looking at reality hes already playing code s level i believe.
Realistically Jaedong is playing at the high code B level. I HIGHLY doubt that any kespa player atm could take on any code S GSL regular and convincingly beat them in a Bo5. They just don't have the experience and/or the game knowledge to match up with a code S player.
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On July 24 2012 00:34 Antimatterz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 23:25 Diizzy wrote:
looking at reality hes already playing code s level i believe. Realistically Jaedong is playing at the high code B level. I HIGHLY doubt that any kespa player atm could take on any code S GSL regular and convincingly beat them in a Bo5. They just don't have the experience and/or the game knowledge to match up with a code S player.
Nestea got 2-0d today by Snow.
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On July 23 2012 19:30 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was . The Elephant in the Room, that is dominate in a couple of months, was about SC2 a long time ago. Everybody realized (except those interpreting the thread wrong, of course) that the level of play has increased by a mile since then. Even then we see many Kespa players being competetive when playing two games and only with couple of months of practise. WCS has definitely shown that the Elephant thread had a point that still stands.
I agree. That is also my point. They have potential to become Code S but there is still many people who write that they will dominate easily. Both BW and SC2 players are trained to play the game and bring up the stupidity of the Elephant Theory.
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On July 24 2012 00:58 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 19:30 Squeegy wrote:On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was . The Elephant in the Room, that is dominate in a couple of months, was about SC2 a long time ago. Everybody realized (except those interpreting the thread wrong, of course) that the level of play has increased by a mile since then. Even then we see many Kespa players being competetive when playing two games and only with couple of months of practise. WCS has definitely shown that the Elephant thread had a point that still stands. I agree. That is also my point. They have potential to become Code S but there is still many people who write that they will dominate easily. Both BW and SC2 players are trained to play the game and bring up the stupidity of the Elephant Theory.
You must have misunderstood. I strongly believe that Code S will be dominated by Kespa. It just will take longer than what the elephant thread claimed. That is because the game has evolved a lot from those times, however we are already seeing Kespa players becoming competetive despite little practise and having two games to play.
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On July 24 2012 01:03 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 00:58 Lokerek wrote:On July 23 2012 19:30 Squeegy wrote:On July 23 2012 10:34 Lokerek wrote:Yeah, Hopefully Jaedong can catch up fast. The elephant in the room theory proves to be false and it was quite obvious. They wont come dominate since they were meant to play BW not SC2 so it's going to be hard to catch up to GSL players. Sad to see Dong playing SC2 since it is not close at all to how amazing his BW play was . The Elephant in the Room, that is dominate in a couple of months, was about SC2 a long time ago. Everybody realized (except those interpreting the thread wrong, of course) that the level of play has increased by a mile since then. Even then we see many Kespa players being competetive when playing two games and only with couple of months of practise. WCS has definitely shown that the Elephant thread had a point that still stands. I agree. That is also my point. They have potential to become Code S but there is still many people who write that they will dominate easily. Both BW and SC2 players are trained to play the game and bring up the stupidity of the Elephant Theory. You must have misunderstood. I strongly believe that Code S will be dominated by Kespa. It just will take longer than what the elephant thread claimed. That is because the game has evolved a lot from those times, however we are already seeing Kespa players becoming competetive despite little practise and having two games to play.
Hmm it is possible in the long run. They have great team setup with people discussing strategies and preparing.
In the TSL interview it was said that coach had to force two players to talk to each other (symbol and polt I think)
which shows lack of communication.
What I was talking is that for example Bisu keeps being terrible at SC2 while Jaedong shows improvement.
It really comes down to how GSL players will start preparing (like discussions similar to KESPA teams) rather
than being individuals. I'm just tired to see people still living the dream they switch and in 1 week they will dominate ...
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