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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 11 2012 21:23 GMT
#63101
On July 12 2012 06:21 DystopiaX wrote:
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On July 12 2012 06:18 firehand101 wrote:
After the music collapse of the digital generation, Kpop has exploded because they have learnt to market the stars...the track can hardly even matter.

PS: that is why I value Kpop over any other music to this present day: while every other country is butt hurt and crying on the floor, Korea has found a way to use the digital revolution to their advantage, and flourish in what others see as a shrinking industry

This is actually all false. Perpetuated by the media and sometimes by record companies (hoping to win anti-piracy victories). Apparently the sales of music have all been increasing and steadily increasing.

And stop using the popularity=music is good argument. You've used it for the past 2 days but it doesn't mean shit.

Okayyyy,.....................

now watch the video plz, then make your argument
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 11 2012 21:25 GMT
#63102
I have. I don't give a fuck what he thinks, I still like the music more than I like artificially crafted personalities.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 11 2012 21:27 GMT
#63103
Well I think it's pretty simple. If I'm going to listen to pop music, I'd rather listen to this person's music

[image loading]

instead of this person's

[image loading]

I also happen to like the style of popular Korean music compared to more western stuff at the moment, and as Vorgrim said, the Korean language is actually quite nice.
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 21:30:09
July 11 2012 21:28 GMT
#63104
On July 12 2012 06:25 DystopiaX wrote:
I have. I don't give a fuck what he thinks, I still like the music more than I like artificially crafted personalities.

And I'm saying there is absolutely no problem with that!

But I just want you to know Korean Pop is built for the artists first, thats all

EDIT: lol @ post above me, haha way to encapsulate the whole of western music in one picture
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 11 2012 21:28 GMT
#63105
Minus the bra the second pic could easily be a kpop concept.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 11 2012 21:32 GMT
#63106
On July 12 2012 04:34 firehand101 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2012 23:09 GTR wrote:
[image loading]


i really love this graph so much, It shows the progression of the korean wave and how much effort korea is putting into the industry today...so when all the pessimists keep on saying 'bla bla they are never going to make it in the west bla bla' I know the statistics are there to show times are only improving.......so suck !

I notice this thread keeps going into a cycle of troughs when new people come in, then starts to crest as people mellow out before more new eccentric people start to move in again.
you're one of the exceptions because I remember you posting regularly before.

On July 12 2012 05:56 TuElite wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Warning: people not interested in reading my answer to the previous questions regarding me (the ones I quoted below) should skip this post entirely. Have a nice day.

On July 11 2012 19:10 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 19:03 HaXXspetten wrote:
On July 11 2012 19:00 Surrealistic wrote:
On July 11 2012 18:46 Zocat wrote:
On July 11 2012 18:02 HaXXspetten wrote:
@TuElite you should try writing romance novels with a heroine based on you-know-who, I'm sure you'd do great


Mary Sue characters normally dont make for a good / interesting story.
And you-know-who would definitely be one when TuElite's the writer.

Oh, he who must not be named?

If Nicole turned out to be a he, we'd read about a tragic suicide in Quebec in the morning newspaper.

Or about a crazy quebec man who changed gender.


Interesting. I like the way you think.

On July 11 2012 19:14 Kuja wrote:
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On July 11 2012 19:12 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Don't need anything so drastic, I don't think he'd hesitate to go gay

Going gay for nikiori? even if she was a he if she kept that body ... hell I'd be gay.


My answers will be assuming that she keeps the same body maybe with the addition of a penis but no other physical changes. Though the possibilities of further changes might also be explored in a way...

On July 11 2012 19:15 HaXXspetten wrote:

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On July 11 2012 19:12 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Don't need anything so drastic, I don't think he'd hesitate to go gay

Gonna need some questioning first hand on this one


Well this is both quite disturbing and interesting at the same time.

As a background to this question, I am obviously hetero-sexual. I have never once questioned my sexuality nor ever considered anything out of it.

Now In order to answer said question, I think I must first take some time to examine my current situation/feelings towards Nicole as I know her to be. Female...

The other day, I met a fellow KPop enthusiast on Last.FM, upon seeing the 4 GIFs of Nicole on my profile page as well as KARA ranked being second as my all time most played artists he asked me if I liked Nicole (we have a detective on our hands). I said yes that I quite liked her. Her asked why did I like her ? I proceeded to give a brief yet accurate description of why and he came back to me telling me that that sounded more like lust than actual love.

Since then, I've been questioning wether what I feel for her is lust or love. I don't know. Maybe it's because I don't master the English language and don't have much experience with the word lust and it's signification (there's really nothing like it in french). But I do not know.

I naturally brought up the Wikipedia definition of both lust and love.

Lust:
Lust is an emotion or feeling of intense desire in the body. The lust can take any form such as the lust for knowledge, the lust for sex or the lust for power. It can take such mundane forms as the lust for food as distinct from the need for food. Lust is a powerful psychic force producing intense wanting for an object, or circumstance fulfilling the emotion.[


Ok so yes, I strongly desire her body, that's pretty much a given. I also seem to "lust for knowledge" because I'd really like to get to know her on a personal level and in a way that's knowledge. An intense want is pretty accurate.

Before reading that description of lust I always pictured that word and emotion as purely sexual/physical. What I feel for Nicole is more than that and therefore I did not consider it lust before. Now I'm unsure.

Love:
Love is an emotion of a strong affection and personal attachment.


Ok, well... I do have a strong affection and personal attachment....

As previously stated, I used to think lust was a purely sexual thing and therefore, something that would be impossible for me to feel with someone of the same sex. (Or at least something that I have not yet experienced in my life.)

So for now, I guess I'll go with love to describe this one way relationship.

Now I believe that if someone was to love someone (feel for that person in ways more than just sexual and physical) of what's believed to be the opposite sex to later find out that the person is of the same sex that the love would remain. The lust pr physical attraction might deteriorate but the love for the person and that person's personality or character will remain.

Therefore is Nicole was somehow to be a man, based on what I just said, I think my opinion of her wouldn't change at all, I'd still love her and desire her.

Would I actually have a sex change in order to fulfill her (or his?) fictional requirements in that case ? I don't know, that would depend on the situation. I'm not a doctor so first up I'd have to know if a sex change is something that can be undone or done again in order to go back to the original sex and everything that it implies physically. The context would also be very important, for example, if I was to be in a relationship with Nicole, as a regular couple and one day she'd tell me that she'd like me to change sex to appeal to her more and be more pleasurable to her I would consider it a lot more seriously than just doing that operation just to have a shot with her. You know. The answer to the "just to have a shot" scenario would probably be no.

Not that I mind a sex change I mean why not, could be fun, could be a cool experience (especially if I'm able to go back after). But the consequences of it, I'm still heterosexual (outside of if Nicole turns out to be a man... Wait a second, that no longer makes me heterosexual does it ? hhhmmmm)... But if I don't score Nicole than finding a nice lesbian that'd be interested in the now hybrid that I would be would be quite the challenge. Note that however, it could allow me to score a reality TV deal or something and make some money the easy way, lol.

And the "if I already was with Nicole scenario" would 100% be an immediate yes if I can later on go back and have the operation undone or done again. If I can't go back to being a male, I think I'd still might do it for her but it would require a lot more thoughts and discussions with her so it would probably go down to 70% chance possibility of happening.

I hope I've given you a satisfactory answer.

On July 12 2012 00:29 dbg wrote:
i see some tuelite in her tbh


Nope, I'm very introspective somewhat anti-social individual, I would never actually "scream" at her or any KARA members nor would I follow them as previously stated during a previous discussion on this matter.

you need to stop trying to justify this as if it isn't an unhealthy delusional infatuation bordering on obsession.
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TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 21:34:21
July 11 2012 21:32 GMT
#63107
On July 12 2012 06:28 DystopiaX wrote:
Minus the bra the second pic could easily be a kpop concept.

Not with the tongue out.

On July 12 2012 06:32 andyrau wrote:

you need to stop trying to justify this as if it isn't an unhealthy delusional infatuation bordering on obsession.

Woah, when did I ever try and justify anything ? I'm fully aware of what this is and so is every person that frequents this thread lol.
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 21:34:56
July 11 2012 21:33 GMT
#63108
^dude totally with the tongue out. If you want me to bring up a "kidol selcas of women sucking and or licking food objects" picspam, I can, but it's totally unnecessary cause it happens all the time.

On July 12 2012 06:28 firehand101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:25 DystopiaX wrote:
I have. I don't give a fuck what he thinks, I still like the music more than I like artificially crafted personalities.

And I'm saying there is absolutely no problem with that!

But I just want you to know Korean Pop is built for the artists first, thats all

Sure. Monetarily, you craft an artist's image because that's what's gonna sell your albums, get your endorsement deals, whatever. But you focus on music quality because regardless of what you think a lot of Koreans just don't give much of a fuck about kpop, just like most americans don't give a fuck about western pop.

So yes, having a clean image is what's making you the money, but saying music takes a backseat isn't really accurate at all.
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
July 11 2012 21:34 GMT
#63109
I've been listening to Kpop for a while, but I've always been scared of jumping into this thread because of how fast it moves.

That being said, just wanted to say, "Hello~"
Seizon Senryaku!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 11 2012 21:35 GMT
#63110
On July 12 2012 06:34 nohbrows wrote:
I've been listening to Kpop for a while, but I've always been scared of jumping into this thread because of how fast it moves.

That being said, just wanted to say, "Hello~"

Dude you seem totally sane please join us more we need more of that please
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 11 2012 21:35 GMT
#63111
On July 12 2012 06:32 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 04:34 firehand101 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2012 23:09 GTR wrote:
[image loading]


i really love this graph so much, It shows the progression of the korean wave and how much effort korea is putting into the industry today...so when all the pessimists keep on saying 'bla bla they are never going to make it in the west bla bla' I know the statistics are there to show times are only improving.......so suck !

I notice this thread keeps going into a cycle of troughs when new people come in, then starts to crest as people mellow out before more new eccentric people start to move in again.
you're one of the exceptions because I remember you posting regularly before.

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 05:56 TuElite wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Warning: people not interested in reading my answer to the previous questions regarding me (the ones I quoted below) should skip this post entirely. Have a nice day.

On July 11 2012 19:10 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 19:03 HaXXspetten wrote:
On July 11 2012 19:00 Surrealistic wrote:
On July 11 2012 18:46 Zocat wrote:
On July 11 2012 18:02 HaXXspetten wrote:
@TuElite you should try writing romance novels with a heroine based on you-know-who, I'm sure you'd do great


Mary Sue characters normally dont make for a good / interesting story.
And you-know-who would definitely be one when TuElite's the writer.

Oh, he who must not be named?

If Nicole turned out to be a he, we'd read about a tragic suicide in Quebec in the morning newspaper.

Or about a crazy quebec man who changed gender.


Interesting. I like the way you think.

On July 11 2012 19:14 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 19:12 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Don't need anything so drastic, I don't think he'd hesitate to go gay

Going gay for nikiori? even if she was a he if she kept that body ... hell I'd be gay.


My answers will be assuming that she keeps the same body maybe with the addition of a penis but no other physical changes. Though the possibilities of further changes might also be explored in a way...

On July 11 2012 19:15 HaXXspetten wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 19:12 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Don't need anything so drastic, I don't think he'd hesitate to go gay

Gonna need some questioning first hand on this one


Well this is both quite disturbing and interesting at the same time.

As a background to this question, I am obviously hetero-sexual. I have never once questioned my sexuality nor ever considered anything out of it.

Now In order to answer said question, I think I must first take some time to examine my current situation/feelings towards Nicole as I know her to be. Female...

The other day, I met a fellow KPop enthusiast on Last.FM, upon seeing the 4 GIFs of Nicole on my profile page as well as KARA ranked being second as my all time most played artists he asked me if I liked Nicole (we have a detective on our hands). I said yes that I quite liked her. Her asked why did I like her ? I proceeded to give a brief yet accurate description of why and he came back to me telling me that that sounded more like lust than actual love.

Since then, I've been questioning wether what I feel for her is lust or love. I don't know. Maybe it's because I don't master the English language and don't have much experience with the word lust and it's signification (there's really nothing like it in french). But I do not know.

I naturally brought up the Wikipedia definition of both lust and love.

Lust:
Lust is an emotion or feeling of intense desire in the body. The lust can take any form such as the lust for knowledge, the lust for sex or the lust for power. It can take such mundane forms as the lust for food as distinct from the need for food. Lust is a powerful psychic force producing intense wanting for an object, or circumstance fulfilling the emotion.[


Ok so yes, I strongly desire her body, that's pretty much a given. I also seem to "lust for knowledge" because I'd really like to get to know her on a personal level and in a way that's knowledge. An intense want is pretty accurate.

Before reading that description of lust I always pictured that word and emotion as purely sexual/physical. What I feel for Nicole is more than that and therefore I did not consider it lust before. Now I'm unsure.

Love:
Love is an emotion of a strong affection and personal attachment.


Ok, well... I do have a strong affection and personal attachment....

As previously stated, I used to think lust was a purely sexual thing and therefore, something that would be impossible for me to feel with someone of the same sex. (Or at least something that I have not yet experienced in my life.)

So for now, I guess I'll go with love to describe this one way relationship.

Now I believe that if someone was to love someone (feel for that person in ways more than just sexual and physical) of what's believed to be the opposite sex to later find out that the person is of the same sex that the love would remain. The lust pr physical attraction might deteriorate but the love for the person and that person's personality or character will remain.

Therefore is Nicole was somehow to be a man, based on what I just said, I think my opinion of her wouldn't change at all, I'd still love her and desire her.

Would I actually have a sex change in order to fulfill her (or his?) fictional requirements in that case ? I don't know, that would depend on the situation. I'm not a doctor so first up I'd have to know if a sex change is something that can be undone or done again in order to go back to the original sex and everything that it implies physically. The context would also be very important, for example, if I was to be in a relationship with Nicole, as a regular couple and one day she'd tell me that she'd like me to change sex to appeal to her more and be more pleasurable to her I would consider it a lot more seriously than just doing that operation just to have a shot with her. You know. The answer to the "just to have a shot" scenario would probably be no.

Not that I mind a sex change I mean why not, could be fun, could be a cool experience (especially if I'm able to go back after). But the consequences of it, I'm still heterosexual (outside of if Nicole turns out to be a man... Wait a second, that no longer makes me heterosexual does it ? hhhmmmm)... But if I don't score Nicole than finding a nice lesbian that'd be interested in the now hybrid that I would be would be quite the challenge. Note that however, it could allow me to score a reality TV deal or something and make some money the easy way, lol.

And the "if I already was with Nicole scenario" would 100% be an immediate yes if I can later on go back and have the operation undone or done again. If I can't go back to being a male, I think I'd still might do it for her but it would require a lot more thoughts and discussions with her so it would probably go down to 70% chance possibility of happening.

I hope I've given you a satisfactory answer.

On July 12 2012 00:29 dbg wrote:
i see some tuelite in her tbh


Nope, I'm very introspective somewhat anti-social individual, I would never actually "scream" at her or any KARA members nor would I follow them as previously stated during a previous discussion on this matter.

you need to stop trying to justify this as if it isn't an unhealthy delusional infatuation bordering on obsession.



Yeah I guess I am more into seeing Kpop as a whole expand, artists and music alike, rather than getting into one individual artist+ Show Spoiler +
Except TVXQ, they rock
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Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
July 11 2012 21:37 GMT
#63112
On July 12 2012 06:34 nohbrows wrote:
I've been listening to Kpop for a while, but I've always been scared of jumping into this thread because of how fast it moves.

That being said, just wanted to say, "Hello~"

Don't be shy, I was a long time lurker then I started posting, most people in here are nice atleast. I'll probably fade back into lurking when i burn myself out lol.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
July 11 2012 21:37 GMT
#63113
On July 12 2012 06:35 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:34 nohbrows wrote:
I've been listening to Kpop for a while, but I've always been scared of jumping into this thread because of how fast it moves.

That being said, just wanted to say, "Hello~"

Dude you seem totally sane please join us more we need more of that please


Unfortunately, I will not be able to tip the scales towards sanity anytime soon when it comes to kpop fandoms, but sure I guess I will join in on the discussion.

Does the fact that I am Korean-American help somewhat?
Seizon Senryaku!
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 11 2012 21:38 GMT
#63114
On July 12 2012 06:33 DystopiaX wrote:
^dude totally with the tongue out. If you want me to bring up a "kidol selcas of women sucking and or licking food objects" picspam, I can, but it's totally unnecessary cause it happens all the time.

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:28 firehand101 wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:25 DystopiaX wrote:
I have. I don't give a fuck what he thinks, I still like the music more than I like artificially crafted personalities.

And I'm saying there is absolutely no problem with that!

But I just want you to know Korean Pop is built for the artists first, thats all

Sure. Monetarily, you craft an artist's image because that's what's gonna sell your albums, get your endorsement deals, whatever. But you focus on music quality because regardless of what you think a lot of Koreans just don't give much of a fuck about kpop, just like most americans don't give a fuck about western pop.

So yes, having a clean image is what's making you the money, but saying music takes a backseat isn't really accurate at all.


And what do you mean by most dont.....last time i checked 'Super Bass' had almost 270 million views.....

No one genre of music is going to capture a whole nation, but wouldn't you say that pop influences the largest portion in our modern era as opposed to any other style?

And, really if you paid attention to the video and not had such a negative attitude, you would know music quality comes second, because to survive they have to market the star
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 11 2012 21:38 GMT
#63115
On July 12 2012 06:37 nohbrows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:35 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:34 nohbrows wrote:
I've been listening to Kpop for a while, but I've always been scared of jumping into this thread because of how fast it moves.

That being said, just wanted to say, "Hello~"

Dude you seem totally sane please join us more we need more of that please


Unfortunately, I will not be able to tip the scales towards sanity anytime soon when it comes to kpop fandoms, but sure I guess I will join in on the discussion.

Does the fact that I am Korean-American help somewhat?

1. I don't care about fandoms you seem to be a rational human being.

2. yeah too many white dudes up in here
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 21:40:40
July 11 2012 21:38 GMT
#63116
On July 12 2012 06:37 nohbrows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:35 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 12 2012 06:34 nohbrows wrote:
I've been listening to Kpop for a while, but I've always been scared of jumping into this thread because of how fast it moves.

That being said, just wanted to say, "Hello~"

Dude you seem totally sane please join us more we need more of that please


Unfortunately, I will not be able to tip the scales towards sanity anytime soon when it comes to kpop fandoms, but sure I guess I will join in on the discussion.

Does the fact that I am Korean-American help somewhat?

Not really.

But I like your logic dysto, first post in KMD; rational human being!
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 11 2012 21:39 GMT
#63117
I saw Racegirls
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

[image loading]

So OP
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nichlion
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
July 11 2012 21:41 GMT
#63118
Being delusional is that grey area where you love your idols vs being in love with your idols.
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 11 2012 21:41 GMT
#63119
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2012 06:39 Sableyeah wrote:
I saw Racegirls
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

[image loading]

So OP



who are these girls? what is racegirls?
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
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July 11 2012 21:41 GMT
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On July 12 2012 06:32 TuElite wrote:
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On July 12 2012 06:32 andyrau wrote:
you need to stop trying to justify this as if it isn't an unhealthy delusional infatuation bordering on obsession.

Woah, when did I ever try and justify anything ? I'm fully aware of what this is and so is every person that frequents this thread lol.

oh I'm not sure
maybe something about the 100+ words you wrote attempting to twist it into 'love' sounded a bit like justification to me
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