EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 6409
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 28 2019 01:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Have you watched the rest of the fate series? If not watch, Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero as they are complete stories in a way that FGO is not and seem to be better written stories anyways. There's no point watching FGO if you don't play the game or have watched any of the other Fates anyways. I read your convo with Slaughter, especially your long post on 6404, and I feel like you have a lot of misplaced expectations on Babylonia. I imagine it being the "7th part" to a story makes you want to know the setup for the first 6 but that's really not the case with Babylonia. Singularities for the most part are fairly episodic and starting the anime shouldn't be that hard to follow along. There are some handwaving of the story in regards to characters or magic/plot devices but that isn't much different from starting any new anime series, is it? Sure you won't be able to make 100% of the connection as someone who actually plays FGO but it's def not that obscure. I watched Boogiepop a few seasons ago with Ice and that was a new series for me. Boogiepop is far more convoluted and harder to follow than Babylonia will ever be. Add in the actual OVA with First Order and it's an acceptable stepping stone to prep you for Babylonia. I've also noticed how you reference your exposure to other Fate franchises as a point against FGO that you can't follow along exactly. That's actually par for course for the Fateverse imo. Other than sharing Fate name and the idea of Servants, many Fate universes are rather independent. FSN and FGO are different stories, much like how Fate/Extella+Fate/Extra games are just as different from the two Fate anime as well. I personally haven't touched Fate/Strange Fake and I've heard that's a fairly different set of things as well. Lastly, I will also argue FGO Camelot/Babylonia/Solomon are very good stories. It very may well be what put Fate into the mainstream from 2016 onward and made FGO one of the top grossing mobile games in Japan. Even from an anime perspective, a lot of time, money, and effort has been pour into this project because of how popular it is with the demographic. You might as well try to stick around and see what the hype is about. | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
On November 28 2019 01:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Have you watched the rest of the fate series? If not watch, Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero as they are complete stories in a way that FGO is not and seem to be better written stories anyways. There's no point watching FGO if you don't play the game or have watched any of the other Fates anyways. FGO is the best iteration of fate there is imo. The franchise has blown past zero and fsn by a TON in quality. The only one that can possibly compete with FGO's writing quality post-camelot is Fate/Extra CCC on the vita of which many people consider to be Nasu's magnum opus. Also i disagree that you need to know fate to get into babylonia. You can hand wave some of the rules of magic and it's still a very easily digestible story. Just a reminder that half of the players who play FGO in JP have never played or watched any previous fate media. FGO was their introduction. Babylonia isn't an ideal starting point but it's not a bad one. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Just look at what you guys suggested to Blind-rawr by your own posts to when Blind-Rawr asks what is needed to watch the FGO anime. Not one person said to just simply watch it. If you want to watch Fate Stay Night you don't need to read a wiki//watch youtube videos/play a game/ask questions to people on a forum. If you want to understand Fate Stay Night or Fate Zero or even Unlimited BladeWorks movie you don't need to do any of these. They are entirely self contained series all of their own. There is no handwaving of story or characters or plot there, except perhaps in the movie, but that's to be expected. They introduce you to the idea of servants and masters and mages, what they are, and their relationship to the rest of the world, all the while introducing the characters and plot. Their animation is just as good as FGO, which is to be expected as from the same studio. There's no way past it, you can't expect someone to get into FGO without watching one or the other 2 main fate series that preps you to the idea of the holy grail and servants and masters and of mages, or to be playing the game beforehand. Telling someone to not watch the previous Fate series first is just pure FGO fanboyism speaking. If you want to get into FGO, you might as well watch Fate Stay night (remake recommended) and Fate Zero first. | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
Before you can say any of that, you need to say whether or not you played the game or not. Because it's really obvious you have. If you do you aren't in a position where you can genuinely say whether FGO is better or not, or can be plunged into without other Fate or not, as you are already emotionally attached to FGO, especially in Slaughter's case who either just makes things up or cannot tell what's in the game or anime anymore. Call it the ugly side of fandom. FGO the game might be self contained. FGO the anime is not. :wat: I've seen every fate series there is, play fgo, and have a lot of knowledge of the ones that I haven't read through. I'm not sure why i can't say FGO is the best iteration of fate ever. The statistics in japan reflect it too with over half of players never even being exposed to fate before. If the FGO game is self-contained, then an anime adapting it is also self contained especially since rules between fate series don't even apply 1:1 and nasu just adds new rules/exceptions on a whim anyways. I'm confused how someone who hasn't seen all of the fate franchises can be a better judge of whether it's better or can be plunged into it without other fate than someone who has seen all of it. The former person has no clue at all. The latter has already compartmentalized it and can easily strip off all the flavor and determine whether the core of the story is approachable or not. Just look at what you guys suggested to Blind-rawr by your own posts to when Blind-Rawr asks what is needed to watch the FGO anime. Not one person said to just simply watch it. And my suggestion is just watch it. That's what i think. Don't lump me up with others. FGO: Babylonia is nowhere near an esoteric show. If you want to watch Fate Stay Night you don't need to read a wiki//watch youtube videos/play a game/ask questions to people on a forum. If you want to understand Fate Stay Night or Fate Zero or even Unlimited BladeWorks movie you don't need to do any of these. They are entirely self contained series all of their own. There is no handwaving of story or characters or plot there, except perhaps in the movie, but that's to be expected. They introduce you to the idea of servants and masters and mages, what they are, and their relationship to the rest of the world, all the while introducing the characters and plot. Their animation is just as good as FGO, which is to be expected as from the same studio. I don't think you need to do any of these either to watch babylonia. Other players might differ with me on this but w/e. And I didn't say that you're handwaving of story or characters or plot in babylonia which are the core of FGO. Just certain mechanics like how summoning servants in chaldea work (not important to understand the show) or why they are going to a specific place (babylonia in this case but that's in the name and can be inferred/deduced just by watching the show). You can already infer/deduce how important a grail is and the purpose of it just by watching the show. A lot of that stuff that happens or is explained in FSN and F/Zero? Almost useless for FGO. You don't need it. There's no way past it, you can't expect someone to get into FGO without watching one or the other 2 main fate series that preps you to the idea of the holy grail and servants and masters and of mages, or to be playing the game beforehand. Telling someone to not watch the previous Fate series first is just pure FGO fanboyism speaking. The way the grail is used in those series aren't even similar to the way it's used in FGO... Mages? not needed for babylonia. Masters? still different here. The term itself already explains a lot of what a master does. Servants? The show will drill into you what a servant is by the time you're done with the first few episodes. And what if I am a fan? Many people are fans of FGO. It's the biggest mobage in japan along with monster strike. The staff and most of its' animators behind the show are deeply passionate about the franchise as well. There's a reason for that and it's not cause they all built a bunch of knowledge on past fate series. If you want to get into FGO, you might as well watch Fate Stay night (remake recommended) and Fate Zero first. Over half of the playerbase in FGO JP disagrees. Even then, you can just watch the FGO: first order ova which is vastly shorter than FSN or F/Z | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
So what I got from that IceHism, is that yes my assumption that you do play the game is correct. Maybe you should step back and realise that if I can deduce that correctly from just your 6 lines, maybe you really aren't best placed to say what someone should watch beforehand? Perhaps someone who can imagine someone's experience separate to their own is better placed to imagine the experience someone must have for another experience? As for the rest...you think fate extra, the worst writing fate ever had, even worse that Fate Romania (I can't remember its actual name right now) is good writing so I don't think you can say what good writing is. In the end, there is no reason to recommend against watching Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero first. So to recommend against that is just sheer FGO fanboyism. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
So what I got from that IceHism, is that yes my assumption that you do play the game is correct. Maybe you should step back and realise that if I can deduce that correctly from just your 6 lines, maybe you really aren't best placed to say what someone should watch beforehand? Perhaps someone who can imagine someone's experience separate to their own is better placed to imagine the experience someone must have for another experience? That makes no sense. There's no hope in this convo if you think someone who actually knows something can't imagine the experience for someone new to it better than someone who knows very surface level knowledge of it. Who do i want to tell me what i should expect when i want to learn a new skill or hobby? Someone who's competent in the area. As for the rest...you think fate extra, the worst writing fate ever had, even worse that Fate Romania (I can't remember its actual name right now) is good writing so I don't think you can say what good writing is. Why should i take you seriously when we aren't even talking about the same thing. https://vndb.org/v12369 In the end, there is no reason to recommend against watching Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero first. So to recommend against that is just sheer FGO fanboyism. The reason is that it's useless and won't deter you from understanding babylonia which you can watch live and discuss with other people watching the show in the current season without sinking in hours into watching UBW and F/Z. You can watch those if you want and maybe your experience will be very slightly better. You're basically not even respecting other people's time by saying that they should watch FSN or F/Z first before even trying babylonia. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
We are talking about anime, who cares what some separate game is? Shakespeare's plays might be the greatest story ever, but that has no bearing on any movie adaptations would it? Seriously though Fate/Extra anime's story is hot garbage. Well presented animation, it has Rin, Nero is even more of a panties window than Mash but the story is still hot garbage. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51717 Posts
No worries Zero I was waaaaaay ahead of you with Gintama. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On November 28 2019 05:27 IceHism wrote: FGO is the best iteration of fate there is imo. The franchise has blown past zero and fsn by a TON in quality. The only one that can possibly compete with FGO's writing quality post-camelot is Fate/Extra CCC on the vita of which many people consider to be Nasu's magnum opus. Also i disagree that you need to know fate to get into babylonia. You can hand wave some of the rules of magic and it's still a very easily digestible story. Just a reminder that half of the players who play FGO in JP have never played or watched any previous fate media. FGO was their introduction. Babylonia isn't an ideal starting point but it's not a bad one. To me Fate franchise is one of Nasu's worst works. I like pretty much everything else written by him much better: Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai, Mahoyoru and DDD. I don't think Fate is bad, I just don't think it matches up to his other works. If gudako was the protagonist in FGO Babylonia: | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On November 28 2019 09:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'm no nasuverse noob, just out of the loop with FGO. No worries Zero I was waaaaaay ahead of you with Gintama. On November 28 2019 08:53 Slaughter wrote: I agree with Zero. Gintama was a great series. If there was ever a series I was sad to see end, it was Gintama. That show had everything. Hate that it was rushed. But they did do it justice. The manga ending was even better. Took a long time and some skipping to different mangas, but it was definitely worth keeping up with. Has there been any word on a second season of Made in Abyss? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 28 2019 10:16 Nemesis wrote: To me Fate franchise is one of Nasu's worst works. I like pretty much everything else written by him much better: Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai, Mahoyoru and DDD. I don't think Fate is bad, I just don't think it matches up to his other works. If gudako was the protagonist in FGO Babylonia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfdSD9Qr8o that OP lol | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On November 28 2019 09:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'm no nasuverse noob, just out of the loop with FGO. Well then you can be our guinea pig and do as Icehism says and just go into the FGO anime cold. Tell us what you think. Don't watch or read anything else including what's here. Although, since if you have been reading our posts, you've gotten tons more information and story and explanation about the anime than the anime will give you, so you aren't exactly the best test subject. | ||
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Miragee
8716 Posts
On November 28 2019 07:52 Numy wrote: Just watch it for the waifus. Idk what this whole crap argument that never ends is about. Seems mad silly. If you watch it and have fun it's fine. If you don't then you don't. Who cares. Ikr? Who watches Fate for the "good writing"? lol | ||
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