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@Sent, it's only logical.
1) People jumped at me when I named the only high-budgeted shows A1-produced AND I have watched. Well, yeah, I dropped SAO, so I can't judge its production values, but I can judge its designs and action directing.
2) The whole idea of comparing a show to a similar or arguably better produced shows is absurd and basing the judgment only on animation and CGI quality is pointless.
3) "Something is for people with bad taste and SAO looks good" thesis is hillarious on its own rights especially when it's referred as "a rational and objective judgment of the quality".
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On November 13 2015 17:05 Spazer wrote:Dead. Shit was confirmed in an interview. + Show Spoiler [Subete ga F speculation] +Shiki had a kid. The father is obviously the director. There's too much kid related stuff in the room. Despite all her other personalities, I highly doubt she would've needed children's books, a stuffed animal, or blocks. Maybe this is why the robot was made.
The kid is fifteen maybe? They're the primary suspect for the murder because they're inside the room. The escape route would be out the door on the cart. Everyone was distracted by the body and it was dark, so it was a great opportunity to escape.
Don't know why the dismemberment was required. There's clearly another reason besides biometric access. It's been too long since I read Zaregoto.
Can't think of a motive. Maybe it was Shiki's plan to commit suicide, thus creating an opportunity to let the kid out?
If the kid is the one who killed Shiki, then obviously they would have put the notes on the computer. They also have knowledge of the personalities, so that's within reason.
Not sure what to make of the elevator. Not really sure why the director was killed either.
Not sure why Moe got to talk with Shiki at all. Why did she ask about her parent's deaths? I thought Moe might be Shiki's daughter (and also has multiple personalities?), but that seems unlikely. Maybe the interview was to establish that Shiki is alive when she's dead (the smell alone suggests she's been dead for some time)? The kid was impersonating Shiki and nobody could tell the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +Think the smell could just be from overnight decomposition, or at least, a day or two that she's been dead. Maybe director was killed to kill off both parents of this potential kid. Similar to how she killed her parents. The director was also stabbed with what looks like the knife that she used to kill her parents with.
Doll in that room was creepy af.
Kid sounds interesting since there was a flashback of those two in bed =\.
Also, how has this professor not died from lung cancer. gfg every scene of him has a damn cigarette in his mouth, or lighting one, or putting one out.
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On November 13 2015 22:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@Sent, it's only logical.
1) People jumped at me when I named the only high-budgeted shows A1-produced AND I have watched. Well, yeah, I dropped SAO, so I can't judge its production values, but I can judge its designs and action directing.
2) The whole idea of comparing a show to a similar or arguably better produced shows is absurd and basing the judgment only on animation and CGI quality is pointless.
3) "Something is for people with bad taste and SAO looks good" thesis is hillarious on its own rights especially when it's referred as "a rational and objective judgment of the quality".
It feels like you jumped into a conversation mid way without context then formed your own opinion on what's going on even if that's not the case. People aren't judging shows here. We were just discussing the differences between animation and artsyle as well as how "high budget" or "good production" pertains to these things. Your comment about people saying gatari is some high budget amazing animation is completely senseless as people pointed out that gatari/shaft uses artstyle and not animation to create it's visual appeal.
People jumped at you because SAO is visually well done in terms of both animation and artstyle. You yourself said you dropped it in 2 episodes and yet you form this strong opinion that you can judge those 2 aspects of it better than people that watched all 3 of the shows you mentioned? That seems a bit ludicrous and illogical. I don't evne get what your third point is about. I mentioned that SAO is a rather trashy/bad anime but with very high production/animation standards. Is that what you talking about? SAOs story being garbage doesn't have much to do with how good it's animation/art is.
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On November 13 2015 22:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@Sent, it's only logical.
1) People jumped at me when I named the only high-budgeted shows A1-produced AND I have watched. Well, yeah, I dropped SAO, so I can't judge its production values, but I can judge its designs and action directing.
2) The whole idea of comparing a show to a similar or arguably better produced shows is absurd and basing the judgment only on animation and CGI quality is pointless.
3) "Something is for people with bad taste and SAO looks good" thesis is hillarious on its own rights especially when it's referred as "a rational and objective judgment of the quality".
1.) Maybe if you didn't post uninformed opinions of how bad shows you never watched look, people wouldn't jump on you
2.)Basing judgment of how something looks based on animation and CGI quality is pointless.... lolok whatever you say.
3.)Nice strawman, my favorite part is how you took two different posts responding to two different people, and sort of merged them together, especially when one of them was me poking fun at Toad.
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On November 13 2015 23:35 Numy wrote:
Your comment about people saying gatari is some high budget amazing animation is completely senseless as people pointed out that gatari/shaft uses artstyle and not animation to create it's visual appeal.
Toad said he considers -gatari high-budgeted, you corrected him. By no means, this represents majority either way.
People jumped at you because SAO is visually well done in terms of both animation and artstyle.
And that's wrong because appreciation of artstyle is highly-subjective. I dropped SAO because of that in a first place. Its designs and action scenes direction (not animation, mind you) are eyecancer level in my opinion.
@Sent
2.)Basing judgment of how something looks based on animation and CGI quality is pointless.... lolok whatever you say.
>only. Last time I checked, only =/=not. Do you even read? (and that guy called me a prick, lol. He doesn't even bother himself reading others' statements he responds to)
3.)Nice strawman, my favorite part is how you took two different posts responding to two different people, and sort of merged them together, especially when one of them was me poking fun at Toad
No big deal, I am having fun too.
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God I would love to join the Subete speculation... I guess that's the negative point when saving a show until it's finished.
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The only means to grade how an anime looks is based on fluidity of animation, how on-model the drawings are, and how CGI is blended in. The actual pointless ways of judging how it looks would be based on how designs look, or how scenes are directed, since both are entirely subjective based on personal taste.
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How it looks for each viewer = subjective.
How many resources went into the production cycle = objective.
Series can have smooth animation and high-rendered CGI and still look mediocre at best because real talents weren't involved. I am done with Sent for today.
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Whats with this juvenile "I'm done but still gonna shitpost" stuff?
But still, you must live in some crazy world where different viewers see different things. How a show looks for one viewer is the exact same as for any other viewer. Since there is only one version produced. I mean, this is pretty basic stuff. The only difference is how much they enjoy it or like it. Which is subjective. Which is why no one cares about why you think SAO is eyecancer, since that's a useless subjective opinion. And its also why even though barely anyone here actually likes SAO, people praise it for how it looks, because it actually is well animated and drawn. Because they have at least some ability for rational judgment.
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Haha, are you trying to hook me up with even more bullshit? I'll kindly refuse.
Thank you for Art Perception 101, though, where you support your claims by exclamations how obvious they are and regard such travesty as a rational and undisputed fact. There is no reason to discuss cogntive matters such as judgement and visual perception with someone who is trying to be as much insulting as possible, really, and severely lacking basic reading comprehension on a top of that.
It doesn't matter which point of view you defend anymore: it's all a joke for you. So no matter how much you tried to make me believe that SAO praisers live in a different world where the things are acknowledged in the same way for everyone, like a cult following, I don't buy it
How about such theory that people are just refuse to acknowledge they watched 26 episodes of whatever simply because they didn't find a better thing to do and are now trying to find a good excuse for a time spent? Because of the arbitrary high-production value, it is rational (and therefore essential) to watch it completely before leaving a judgement and if the opponent still refuses, the rejection syndrome comes right into the play.
I thought you were a little bit smarter than that.
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I think this discussion was really nice until you bumped into it and started to derail it.
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On November 14 2015 01:19 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Haha, are you trying to hook me up with even more bullshit? I'll kindly refuse.
Thank you for Art Perception 101, though, where you support your claims by exclamations how obvious they are and regard such travesty as a rational and undisputed fact. There is no reason to discuss cogntive matters such as judgement and visual perception with someone who is trying to be as much insulting as possible, really, and severely lacking basic reading comprehension on a top of that.
It doesn't matter which point of view you defend anymore: it's all a joke for you. So no matter how much you tried to make me believe that SAO praisers live in a different world where the things are acknowledged in the same way for everyone, like a cult following, I don't buy it
How about such theory that people are just refuse to acknowledge they watched 26 episodes of whatever simply because they didn't find a better thing to do and are now trying to find a good excuse for a time spent? Because of the arbitrary high-production value, it is rational (and therefore essential) to watch it completely before leaving a judgement and if the opponent still refuses, the rejection syndrome comes right into the play.
I thought you were a little bit smarter than that.
I thought you were done for the day? I guess you just can't refuse shitposting. So, I'm apparently the one trying to be as insulting as possible? Or the one who lacks reading comprehension (which is pretty funny coming from a guy who strawmans my position to be the direct opposite of what it actually is)? I was trying to find a good excuse for having watched SAO? What the hell are you even talking about? Now its like you are crying that no one cares about your incomplete judgment of something you barely watched. You sure do like to play the victim and put words in other peoples mouths.
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On November 14 2015 00:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 23:35 Numy wrote:
Your comment about people saying gatari is some high budget amazing animation is completely senseless as people pointed out that gatari/shaft uses artstyle and not animation to create it's visual appeal. Toad said he considers -gatari high-budgeted, you corrected him. By no means, this represents majority either way.
quick question here: Have you (or Sent for that matter) actually continued watching the other monogatari arcs/seasons?
I'm asking because I find it hard to believe that someone would wade through another entire season of Monogatari after finishing Bakemonogatari and comming to the conclusion that you don't like it.
For sure SHAFT is doing a lot of visually weird stuff which doesn't count into animation and that is certainly at the core of why people love that style so much. And yes, that's not animation but my point has been that you should compare Bakemonogatari to the later seasons: Nisemonogatari and Monogatari-S2 to see the difference that pouring money into a series makes because clearly Bakemonogatari was NOT a high budget product at all, as I've said myself. People loved it despite that for the aforementioned reasons among other things.
Nisemonogatari and Monogatari-S2 however look so much better it's hard to grasp at points. Especially if you watch one of those and go back to watching Bakemonogatari again it just really hits you how much cleaner SHAFT stuff has become, especially for that series.
On November 13 2015 12:23 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 04:59 Toadesstern wrote:
you want lewd yuri but when kuro rubs her naked chest agains Ilya's while frenchkissing her it's suddenly too much *sigh* is that a scene that really happened in Fate/Kalied? Glad to see TM still whoring out its characters for viewers.
In the source? Idk
In the anime? Kind of. Yes it happened but it was an OVA. The actual seasons aren't anywhere close to being that lewd and I was really shocked to see it being that damn lewd. You get maybe 1 kiss-scene per season and the rest is verbal lewdness/jokes between each other.
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I happen to like TM whoring itself out. Whoring is a noble trade. It's not like the Fate stuff was super serious no whores allowed. That OVA though was a bit much. Phew.
Bake had some nice animation at times but most of it was pretty low budget trickery which honestly was fine. I liked it. The later seasons improved quite a lot in that regard it's just that animation isn't really that important for that kind of show. They managed to create a visual appeal that stands on it's own without requiring top notch animation to go with it. I think that's rather special and interesting. Being good at both is obviously hard but cool, however managing to create something that doesn't need one to be good at both is really cool.
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Toad, you know how much of it I've watched and what I think. I don't think I've ever commented one way or another how later seasons actually look, considering I haven't watched them.
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Nah, wasn't supposed to be a hit at you or anything. I've seen you comment on Bakemonogatari but didn't recall if you ever commented on the other ones. Just legit curiosity given that you watched Infinite Stratos to shit on Emnjay lol
Reason being: He said you explained to me that Monogatari series was not high budget. My argument was that Nise/MonoS2 was clearly way more budget than Bake. To still think you explained that Monogatari isn't high budget he must think your comment was about all of Monogatari and in particular the later ones as those were the ones I was talking about.
I however understood your comment as Bake-only and no idea about the rest because you didn't watch the rest. Just wanted that cleared out.
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On November 14 2015 03:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Nah, wasn't supposed to be a hit at you or anything. I've seen you comment on Bakemonogatari but didn't recall if you ever commented on the other ones. Just legit curiosity given that you watched Infinite Stratos to shit on Emnjay lol
Reason being: He said you explained to me that Monogatari series was not high budget. My argument was that Nise/MonoS2 was clearly way more budget than Bake. To still think you explained that Monogatari isn't high budget he must think your comment was about all of Monogatari and in particular the later ones as those were the ones I was talking about.
I however understood your comment as Bake-only and no idea about the rest because you didn't watch the rest. Just wanted that cleared out.
I think Nummy said that to you, not me. IDK.
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I think so too but what Toad's saying about it being Bake specific comment is kind of right anyway. So let's just leave it at that :D
In other news I've been power watching Bakuman. Pretty fun series. My only issue is the quality of female cast is quite lacking and I can't handle the "romance" with Hayamins character. Do love me the Tomboy girl though. She feels rather real and nice, just a pity she takes a backseat in later season. From what Yanger has told me the authors seem to battle to write really good female characters. Deathnote didn't really feature any either. I would have loved to see more romance of the established couple instead of Hayamins character honestly. Idk maybe i'm like the only person that loves seeing romance between two people already married/engaged etc.
Also finished The Legend of Legendary Heroes. Overall it was alright but nothing too special. The shifts in tone was a bit jarring. One minute having a classic tsundere type gag then next there's incest rape going on. I understand the concept of putting in some lighter elements with heavy material so the readers don't get too drained but the reverse situation requires quite a bit of finesse to make it work which this lacked. Would have been better if it was just the usual trashy battle harem imo. The fantasy setting is enough to carry it mostly.
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So the last few pages were..
Toasters better than Yuri (and other shit)
"something something you dont know visuals" "something something strawman" Which i think after gundam is probably his most used word at this point.
Cool ...
On November 13 2015 17:05 Spazer wrote:Dead. Shit was confirmed in an interview. + Show Spoiler [Subete ga F speculation] +Shiki had a kid. The father is obviously the director. There's too much kid related stuff in the room. Despite all her other personalities, I highly doubt she would've needed children's books, a stuffed animal, or blocks. Maybe this is why the robot was made.
The kid is fifteen maybe? They're the primary suspect for the murder because they're inside the room. The escape route would be out the door on the cart. Everyone was distracted by the body and it was dark, so it was a great opportunity to escape.
Don't know why the dismemberment was required. There's clearly another reason besides biometric access. It's been too long since I read Zaregoto.
Can't think of a motive. Maybe it was Shiki's plan to commit suicide, thus creating an opportunity to let the kid out?
If the kid is the one who killed Shiki, then obviously they would have put the notes on the computer. They also have knowledge of the personalities, so that's within reason.
Not sure what to make of the elevator. Not really sure why the director was killed either.
Not sure why Moe got to talk with Shiki at all. Why did she ask about her parent's deaths? I thought Moe might be Shiki's daughter (and also has multiple personalities?), but that seems unlikely. Maybe the interview was to establish that Shiki is alive when she's dead (the smell alone suggests she's been dead for some time)? The kid was impersonating Shiki and nobody could tell the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +Man I dont even know what the fuck is going on. I waited like 6 episodes and granted I sorta half assed it but some of the stuff is so random and seemingly pointless.
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