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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
December 15 2010 20:39 GMT
#10241
On December 16 2010 05:07 Latham wrote:
TWGOK 11 is out. It was brilliant. The animation, the music, the pace, everything was perfect. In the manga I never really liked Shiori or her arc, but now I'll be damned if + Show Spoiler [future plot] +
she doesn't have a goddess inside of her.
But the end suggests that she doesn't (can't remember Keima). Ok she actually might. She remembers that someone was there, she just can;t remember the face. In the case of Kusonoki, she completely forgot that she went on a date with Keima (she forgot a whole event!), not just the person she went with.

+ Show Spoiler [Future plot] +
A lot of people are theorizing that Shiori would have the goddess of wisdom, Minerva. It makes sense, considering how many books she's read. And like Keima said, the fact that she didn't talk to him spoke volumes. After all, it didn't seem like she had any trouble communicating with anyone else.
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
December 15 2010 20:42 GMT
#10242
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.


I don't know what to say to this... It's just saddening.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 15 2010 20:46 GMT
#10243
On December 15 2010 21:17 Blobskillz wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +
Tokyo’s manga ban has been signed into law after passing a final vote, and is set to come into effect in 2011, with Tokyo governor Ishihara crowing that “Japan still has some common sense left after all!”

The ban already passed a committee vote, and as expected also passed a final vote on the 15th – the law stipulates that “voluntary restraints” must begun in April of 2011, with the full force of the ban to come in July.

All the major parties supported the ban – the ruling DPJ (leftist) insisted on a “prudent application” rider but otherwise did nothing to oppose the law as they did with the previous bill.

The LDP (right-wing) proposed and supported the original and current version of the bill. Their usual coalition partners, the Koumeito (the political arm of a Buddhist cult), also supported the bill, leaving only small parties to the left of the DPJ to oppose it.

Once again the motives of the DPJ can only be guessed at – they have repeatedly blocked national bans on possession of child pornography (already illegal to distribute) on civil liberties grounds, opposed the previously rejected version of the bill because it was worded as a ban on “virtual child pornography,” and actually insisted the just passed Tokyo law remove a “duty not to possess [real] child pornography” clause.

However, when the current bill’s wording was changed to ban depictions “promoting illegal or immoral sexual activity” (effectively a vastly more far-reaching ban than previously) rather than “[virtual] sexual activity involving minors” (this version of the ban was clearly targeting loli manga) as in the current version, their previous opposition all but evaporated.

That the law explicitly excludes photographic material can probably be interpreted both as a specific attack on “otaku” culture and an effort to avoid antagonising Japan’s mass media, who obviously would not support any restrictions on themselves but are only too happy to support them on other industries.


can only quote sankaku on this one but you wouldnt be able to read japanese anyway

here's your japanese source http://sankei.jp.msn.com/politics/local/101215/lcl1012150901000-n1.htm

so starting with 2011 late night anime is pretty much dead, because in the Tokyo area almost 30% of the japanese population live so it's very unlikely that this law wont affect the whole country, as it should not be profitable enough to leave Tokyo out.


I was mainly looking on sankaku last night (this morning/whatever). cause I was watching the GSL Code A crap, and then I saw that, and then I was like "oh...no.. seriously?"

It's like they are trying to KILL their best industry (which is ALREADY HAVING trouble with better talents -> Naruto, Bleach are both slowing down/closing up _soon_ (Naruto sooner)

and obviously that directly influences anime in the short run AND long run, screwing everything up

Not to mention they use their little censors to get people to buy the bluerays, but lol it's going to be illegal now, so they just made both the manga + anime industries to fuck up literally.

On December 15 2010 22:41 hamy710 wrote:
I have Google Chrome Translator
I don't know what to do now.....

>_> rage at Japan?
Lucky me. I'm going to be starting to learn Korean.

Hopefully the Koreans don't kick out the only industries I'm interested in (StarCraft + Korean music)

(well I doubt it for Korea, but who knew Japan would kill it's best industry imo) [1]


[1]: only reason I'm into japanese culture = anime + manga
lesser extent music, but yea..

...screw you Tokyo government.
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triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
December 15 2010 21:21 GMT
#10244
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.

Leave. Now.

Regarding the anime ban bill, I'm not sure what to think. Anime fans tend to massively overreact to anything that will supposedly kill anime. Maybe I'm excessively optimistic, but I feel like everything will turn out ok.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 15 2010 21:53 GMT
#10245
On December 16 2010 06:21 triangle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.

Leave. Now.

Regarding the anime ban bill, I'm not sure what to think. Anime fans tend to massively overreact to anything that will supposedly kill anime. Maybe I'm excessively optimistic, but I feel like everything will turn out ok.

Yeah, I somewhat agree. It seems to me like things are getting sensationalized and overblown. I don't know what effect it will have on anime, but time will tell. I can't imagine Japan actually shooting itself in the foot like this, seeing as how Anime and Manga are tied to its culture.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 15 2010 22:00 GMT
#10246
On December 16 2010 06:53 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 06:21 triangle wrote:
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.

Leave. Now.

Regarding the anime ban bill, I'm not sure what to think. Anime fans tend to massively overreact to anything that will supposedly kill anime. Maybe I'm excessively optimistic, but I feel like everything will turn out ok.

Yeah, I somewhat agree. It seems to me like things are getting sensationalized and overblown. I don't know what effect it will have on anime, but time will tell. I can't imagine Japan actually shooting itself in the foot like this, seeing as how Anime and Manga are tied to its culture.


where are more of the gruesome scenes from? Manga
what is Anime based on? Manga (for the large part)
where is this ban taking place? Tokyo
where's like 90%+ of all of Japanese activity regarding manga+anime+games? Tokyo
what has more ecchi than anime? Manga + Video games
what's the ban on? manga.

it's not getting overblown, it'll be helpful to also read what the mangaka are saying about it (see the links that sankaku proves too, or read their translation or whatever *shrug*)

"Anime and Manga are semi tied with its culture."
Actually. not really.
actually most of the people in japan pretty much _hate_ otaku (both anime, manga, and game)....opposite situation than in korea, and a lot times worse than in the US.

as in, the general image of an otaku is a closet pervert that just wastes his time on anime, and immersing himself in the 2d world (I'm not saying which side is right, but that's the general stereotype on them). Plus the fact that japanese girls apparently want rich guys _only_ and doesn't want to have anything to do with otaku
->
They don't really like it.

You _could_ say it's a popular part of japan, but I wouldn't call it part of their culture. It is, however, shooting themselves on their foot. I won't argue with that.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
December 15 2010 22:02 GMT
#10247
I can't see all the publishing and broadcasting companies taking this bill lying down. This is pretty much gonna rape their profits, after all. They must have some sort of influence in the government...
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lofung
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong298 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 22:10:45
December 15 2010 22:10 GMT
#10248
On December 16 2010 07:02 Spazer wrote:
I can't see all the publishing and broadcasting companies taking this bill lying down. This is pretty much gonna rape their profits, after all. They must have some sort of influence in the government...

at least the biggest 10 did something like boycotting the anime fair and i guessed that some smaller publishers just dun have the bargaining power doing that. the smaller publishers are way more outrageious than the biggest ones in terms of content imho.

obviously this is not going to be good for the anime industry despite japan has been known for having the slackest regulation in the world. some people associated this bill with corruption as the publishers have to pay bribes to prevent from being prosecuted and trying to get votes from various lobbying groups.
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hamy710
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia160 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 23:02:25
December 15 2010 22:17 GMT
#10249
On December 16 2010 05:46 zhurai wrote:

>_> rage at Japan?


...screw you Tokyo government.

Agreed
or i could just sit here. Do nothing. So depressed.
I've been lurking for a year and only less than 200 posts, time to boost my post count!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 23:34:23
December 15 2010 23:26 GMT
#10250
On December 16 2010 07:00 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 06:53 Sentenal wrote:
On December 16 2010 06:21 triangle wrote:
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.

Leave. Now.

Regarding the anime ban bill, I'm not sure what to think. Anime fans tend to massively overreact to anything that will supposedly kill anime. Maybe I'm excessively optimistic, but I feel like everything will turn out ok.

Yeah, I somewhat agree. It seems to me like things are getting sensationalized and overblown. I don't know what effect it will have on anime, but time will tell. I can't imagine Japan actually shooting itself in the foot like this, seeing as how Anime and Manga are tied to its culture.


where are more of the gruesome scenes from? Manga
what is Anime based on? Manga (for the large part)
where is this ban taking place? Tokyo
where's like 90%+ of all of Japanese activity regarding manga+anime+games? Tokyo
what has more ecchi than anime? Manga + Video games
what's the ban on? manga.

it's not getting overblown, it'll be helpful to also read what the mangaka are saying about it (see the links that sankaku proves too, or read their translation or whatever *shrug*)

"Anime and Manga are semi tied with its culture."
Actually. not really.
actually most of the people in japan pretty much _hate_ otaku (both anime, manga, and game)....opposite situation than in korea, and a lot times worse than in the US.

as in, the general image of an otaku is a closet pervert that just wastes his time on anime, and immersing himself in the 2d world (I'm not saying which side is right, but that's the general stereotype on them). Plus the fact that japanese girls apparently want rich guys _only_ and doesn't want to have anything to do with otaku
->
They don't really like it.

You _could_ say it's a popular part of japan, but I wouldn't call it part of their culture. It is, however, shooting themselves on their foot. I won't argue with that.

Do you know exactly how the law will be interrupted and enforced? Do you know the scope of which the law will actually effect anime? I'm not a legal expert, but you sure seem to be acting like one. Sure, shit like Yosuga no Sora won't make the cut. Will "virtual crimes" or whatever even apply to shows like Gundam Unicorn or DenYuuDen? It seems to me like the law will be the death of Ecchi shows, but beyond that? I don't see it being the end to all anime. And saying that anime/manga aren't tied into Japanese culture is retarded. Most Japanese people might hate Otaku, but are you going to try and tell me that the only people who read/watch/enjoy anime/manga in Japan are the Otaku?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 15 2010 23:40 GMT
#10251
On December 16 2010 08:26 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 07:00 zhurai wrote:
On December 16 2010 06:53 Sentenal wrote:
On December 16 2010 06:21 triangle wrote:
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.

Leave. Now.

Regarding the anime ban bill, I'm not sure what to think. Anime fans tend to massively overreact to anything that will supposedly kill anime. Maybe I'm excessively optimistic, but I feel like everything will turn out ok.

Yeah, I somewhat agree. It seems to me like things are getting sensationalized and overblown. I don't know what effect it will have on anime, but time will tell. I can't imagine Japan actually shooting itself in the foot like this, seeing as how Anime and Manga are tied to its culture.


where are more of the gruesome scenes from? Manga
what is Anime based on? Manga (for the large part)
where is this ban taking place? Tokyo
where's like 90%+ of all of Japanese activity regarding manga+anime+games? Tokyo
what has more ecchi than anime? Manga + Video games
what's the ban on? manga.

it's not getting overblown, it'll be helpful to also read what the mangaka are saying about it (see the links that sankaku proves too, or read their translation or whatever *shrug*)

"Anime and Manga are semi tied with its culture."
Actually. not really.
actually most of the people in japan pretty much _hate_ otaku (both anime, manga, and game)....opposite situation than in korea, and a lot times worse than in the US.

as in, the general image of an otaku is a closet pervert that just wastes his time on anime, and immersing himself in the 2d world (I'm not saying which side is right, but that's the general stereotype on them). Plus the fact that japanese girls apparently want rich guys _only_ and doesn't want to have anything to do with otaku
->
They don't really like it.

You _could_ say it's a popular part of japan, but I wouldn't call it part of their culture. It is, however, shooting themselves on their foot. I won't argue with that.

Do you know exactly how the law will be interrupted and enforced? Do you know the scope of which the law will actually effect anime? I'm not a legal expert, but you sure seem to be acting like one. Sure, shit like Yosuga no Sora won't make the cut. Will "virtual crimes" or whatever even apply to shows like Gundam Unicorn or DenYuuDen? It seems to me like the law will be the death of Ecchi shows, but beyond that? I don't see it being the end to all anime. And saying that anime/manga aren't tied into Japanese culture is retarded. Most Japanese people might hate Otaku, but are you going to try and tell me that the only people who read/watch/enjoy anime/manga in Japan are the Otaku?


"Do you know exactly how the law will be interrupted and enforced? Do you know the scope of which the law will actually effect anime? I'm not a legal expert, but you sure seem to be acting like one."

It'll indirectly influence it, as well as if this sets a precedent for animated crap, then yes, anime will be affected. Manga influences anime as you might know, thus will also affect it in that way too. enforced? it's a ban.... - -'''

and no I'm not. I'm just using logic from what I know about this situation

" It seems to me like the law will be the death of Ecchi shows, but beyond that? I don't see it being the end to all anime."
If you want me to pull up all the anime from this season and tell you which is ecchi, you'd be surprised.

"but are you going to try and tell me that the only people who read/watch/enjoy anime/manga in Japan are the Otaku?"
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 23:57:48
December 15 2010 23:55 GMT
#10252
It'll indirectly influence it, as well as if this sets a precedent for animated crap, then yes, anime will be affected. Manga influences anime as you might know, thus will also affect it in that way too. enforced? it's a ban.... - -'''

and no I'm not. I'm just using logic from what I know about this situation

Yes, its a ban. And how will this ban be enforced? Who will go about deciding what violates the ban, and what doesn't? If you were using logic, shouldn't this be one of the first questions you ask? And no shit manga influences anime, I don't see why you keep bringing that up, its not like anyone here is contesting that.

Also, no shit it will affect anime. But I asked about the scope in which it will affect anime. Don't dodge the question.

If you want me to pull up all the anime from this season and tell you which is ecchi, you'd be surprised.

Many shows have "Ecchi" in them, but they aren't based around it. Take Star Drive for example. Sure, it has ecchi in it. But even if you removed all that ecchi, you still have the same show. Can you do the same to something like High School of the Dead? My point is, I think that shows can get by without Ecchi rather easily.

Largest supporters.

Source?
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 16 2010 00:10 GMT
#10253
On December 16 2010 07:00 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 06:53 Sentenal wrote:
On December 16 2010 06:21 triangle wrote:
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.

Leave. Now.

Regarding the anime ban bill, I'm not sure what to think. Anime fans tend to massively overreact to anything that will supposedly kill anime. Maybe I'm excessively optimistic, but I feel like everything will turn out ok.

Yeah, I somewhat agree. It seems to me like things are getting sensationalized and overblown. I don't know what effect it will have on anime, but time will tell. I can't imagine Japan actually shooting itself in the foot like this, seeing as how Anime and Manga are tied to its culture.


where are more of the gruesome scenes from? Manga
what is Anime based on? Manga (for the large part)
where is this ban taking place? Tokyo
where's like 90%+ of all of Japanese activity regarding manga+anime+games? Tokyo
what has more ecchi than anime? Manga + Video games
what's the ban on? manga.

it's not getting overblown, it'll be helpful to also read what the mangaka are saying about it (see the links that sankaku proves too, or read their translation or whatever *shrug*)

"Anime and Manga are semi tied with its culture."
Actually. not really.
actually most of the people in japan pretty much _hate_ otaku (both anime, manga, and game)....opposite situation than in korea, and a lot times worse than in the US.

as in, the general image of an otaku is a closet pervert that just wastes his time on anime, and immersing himself in the 2d world (I'm not saying which side is right, but that's the general stereotype on them). Plus the fact that japanese girls apparently want rich guys _only_ and doesn't want to have anything to do with otaku
->
They don't really like it.

You _could_ say it's a popular part of japan, but I wouldn't call it part of their culture. It is, however, shooting themselves on their foot. I won't argue with that.

this post mostly true except the culture part: First of all, 1 thing become culture when most people will openly ACCEPT it. Most of the opinion about anti otaku are actually anti NEET. Otaku or anime manga has nothing to do with it. hating on otaku is simply like you saying you hate the people who are voting on american idol... the viewers has notthing to do with the show.

proof that anime manga is a part of japanese culture:
+ if it has not yet a culture, it will be. Most of the young generation know about it and openly accept it as soon as it doesnt cause NEET.
+ Anime/manga market has a GIANT market in japan. The service follow with it is HUGE (maid cafe, customs shop blah blah). it is a part of the economy.
+ anime/manga is a way japan use to deliver/transfer its culture to the next generation and the world... without anime/manga, japan simply is "asian germany" (in term of history as well as technology) with a giant market of pornography and mafia which has nothing to do with its culture.
+ the prime minister blogged about the ban => read it.

the proof of anime/manga
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Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
December 16 2010 00:10 GMT
#10254
On December 16 2010 05:42 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 21:24 Fyodor wrote:
I don't like abe. I think he's pretentious and boring.

I really liked Elfen Lied however. It was coherent at least.


I don't know what to say to this... It's just saddening.

I'm a cultured man, I'll be alright no worries.
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TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
December 16 2010 02:48 GMT
#10255
TWGOK 11: Another nice episode, I really liked the scene with all the floating books, gave everything a more mythical image.

Also the character image song CD for Kanon is out (merchandise is never late), but it's Happy Crescent instead of every other song that is actually good.

(The Amagami SS ED single 6 is also out, finally we get the full version of Ayatsuji's song Nageki no Tenshi.)
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
December 16 2010 03:17 GMT
#10256
On December 16 2010 11:48 TimeOut wrote:
TWGOK 11: Another nice episode, I really liked the scene with all the floating books, gave everything a more mythical image.

Also the character image song CD for Kanon is out (merchandise is never late), but it's Happy Crescent instead of every other song that is actually good.

(The Amagami SS ED single 6 is also out, finally we get the full version of Ayatsuji's song Nageki no Tenshi.)


What are you talking about? That song was soooooooo dumb that I loved it. xD

I can't wait to see it on Osu.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 03:42:50
December 16 2010 03:35 GMT
#10257
TGWOK 11 was pretty good. Awesome episode, awesome music, awesome arc.
+ Show Spoiler +
Indirect kissu

[image loading]

And Ergo Proxy is a book?

[image loading]

Next episode is supposedly capturing god mode. It sucks that we'll have to wait another couple months for the continuation. At least Haruhi will be out by then. <_<

I wasn't really a fan of any of Kanon's insert songs. Her VA seems to put too much emphasis in the weirdest places. And her singing voice kinda comes off as flat. But maybe that's just me.

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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
December 16 2010 03:59 GMT
#10258
On December 16 2010 07:02 Spazer wrote:
I can't see all the publishing and broadcasting companies taking this bill lying down. This is pretty much gonna rape their profits, after all. They must have some sort of influence in the government...


You know this bill just prevents the sale to minors right? This isn't going to "rape" profits. This is the same as preventing minors from seeing real porn or buying cigarettes.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
December 16 2010 04:38 GMT
#10259
Yeah, I know, but all ethical issues aside, restricting the sales of any good will lower the number of items you sell just because of reduced accessibility. It probably won't kill the industry outright, but it will cause damage of some sort, although how much is debatable.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 16 2010 05:01 GMT
#10260
People are afraid that all the shows they like will get canceled, or future shows which they may like won't ever get made. But if its just preventing sale to minors, then this thing is getting blown hugely out of proportion. Which is why I was saying earlier, that no one really knows the scope of what this will actually ban. Time will tell just how damaging this ban will be, and how it will actually be enforced.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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