EPTThe biggest and most common mistake you people make are just recommending shit you think are good without any regard to the other person's experiences with anime or his tastes. Then when they say they don't like something you shit on them. Please.
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Souma
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Zergneedsfood
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On June 21 2014 08:03 Souma wrote: How in the world do you think that FLCL is as accessible as a mainstream shounen anime? That I don't understand. Baccano, as great as it is, isn't the typical entry-level series that you can just recommend anyone because of how it mixes things around. And the moment you mentioned "critically acclaimed," your argument failed because there are a lot of people who don't give a shit about how good an anime actually is, hence all the narutards, bleachtards, SAOtards, whateverthefucktards. I watched FLCL before I watched any of the anime you listed (Black Lagoon, Code Geass), and I thought it was great. So, to me, it was perfectly accessible. 1. FLCL has a great soundtrack, with rock music that can appeal more to an American audience than plenty of other shows. 2. There's baseball. It also has a guitar. There are also various random references to American media (South Park, rock music name drops) that make it more accessible in that aspect to an audience that wants to latch onto something. 3. Art style is by far less foreign and the character designs easier on the eyes than either Code Geass (pointy pointy Clamp designs) or AoT 4. At its base, FLCL is a coming of age story which isn't that hard to understand, which is a much more accessible and widespread theme than in Code Geass, which is just crazy Japanese person who feels oppressed wants to take over the world. 5. Plenty of my friends who never watch anime I streamed FLCL for them. It was in no ways a jarring experience. I also watched Baccano before I watched the anime you listed. Sure it has a strange way with its chronology but that hardly means it's not accessible. Is Memento not accessible simply because it's a story that's out of chronological order? It also has a steampunk 1920 setting, which, again, makes it more appealing to a Western audience. It's also jazz heavy, which is a pretty murican thing. If you're structuring your argument on the premise that you're assuming the guy is already a retard then I guess that's fine, but even the people you describe as "narutards, bleachtards, SAOtards, whateverthefucktards." can still like Cowboy Bebop. Do I think CG/AoT are great recs? Sure. Would I also rec them? Sure. I didn't even remember about them before you brought it up. But please don't make it sound like the above shows still aren't accessible even if the person likes a certain show. They are immensely accessible and before when I used to be open to everything I picked up FLCL and Baccano before I picked up Code Geass and Black Lagoon while knowing about all four at the same time. Requizen asked for "lots of action and fun" and I gave what I thought were a lot of shows that had lots of action and fun. | ||
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Sentenal
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Who gives a shit about their experiences and tastes, if I recommend them LoGH and they don't watch it, then they have shit taste and aren't worth any other recommendations. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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Yeah, I rarely ever recommend anything to people in this thread because a lot of things I like are most certainly not something others would easily digest. | ||
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Souma
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On June 21 2014 08:12 Zergneedsfood wrote: I watched FLCL before I watched any of the anime you listed (Black Lagoon, Code Geass), and I thought it was great. So, to me, it was perfectly accessible. 1. FLCL has a great soundtrack, with rock music that can appeal more to an American audience than plenty of other shows. 2. There's baseball. It also has a guitar. There are also various random references to American media (South Park, rock music name drops) that make it more accessible in that aspect to an audience that wants to latch onto something. 3. Art style is by far less foreign and the character designs easier on the eyes than either Code Geass (pointy pointy Clamp designs) or AoT 4. At its base, FLCL is a coming of age story which isn't that hard to understand, which is a much more accessible and widespread theme than in Code Geass, which is just crazy Japanese person who feels oppressed wants to take over the world. 5. Plenty of my friends who never watch anime I streamed FLCL for them. It was in no ways a jarring experience. I also watched Baccano before I watched the anime you listed. Sure it has a strange way with its chronology but that hardly means it's not accessible. Is Memento not accessible simply because it's a story that's out of chronological order? It also has a steampunk 1920 setting, which, again, makes it more appealing to a Western audience. It's also jazz heavy, which is a pretty murican thing. If you're structuring your argument on the premise that you're assuming the guy is already a retard then I guess that's fine, but even the people you describe as "narutards, bleachtards, SAOtards, whateverthefucktards." can still like Cowboy Bebop. Do I think CG/AoT are great recs? Sure. Would I also rec them? Sure. I didn't even remember about them before you brought it up. But please don't make it sound like the above shows still aren't accessible even if the person likes a certain show. They are immensely accessible and before when I used to be open to everything I picked up FLCL and Baccano before I picked up Code Geass and Black Lagoon while knowing about all four at the same time. Requizen asked for "lots of action and fun" and I gave what I thought were a lot of shows that had lots of action and fun. All I hear is "me me me." That's the biggest problem with your line of thinking at the moment. You aren't even trying to place yourself in the other guy's shoes. You mention all these Western elements that are completely irrelevant. The guy watched and liked Naruto. Surely he's beyond that by this point. The problem with FLCL is more in its genre and its "story" rather than its art, music, or anything of that sort. Also, I didn't say he wouldn't like Cowboy Bebop nor FLCL - it just isn't the type of anime that I would recommend off-the-bat above other popular mainstream shows. On June 21 2014 08:12 Sentenal wrote: Who gives a shit about their experiences and tastes, if I recommend them LoGH and they don't watch it, then they have shit taste and aren't worth any other recommendations.  | ||
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Requizen
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Zergneedsfood
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Requizen literally said three things: he watches Naruto (didn't even say he loved it), he didn't like FMA (not sure if B or original), and that he wanted "to try more anime and only likes action stuff." How can you make the sudden jump that since he watches Naruto, his tastes will only be limited to stuff similar to it, or that a recommendation automatically has to be directly in line with a particular genre or show that he has watched already. There are instances where it may be appropriate, but I was merely positing that these shows are definitely accessible to a wide audience and shouldn't be discounted as bad recommendations. I don't understand how recommending shows I don't like as much as others (I could recommend plenty of action shows that I like) is somehow a "me, me, me" argument. Recommendations come from experience so obviously there will be a personal factor to it, but that hardly is a reason to discount the argument. None of the five reasons I listed have anything to me being able to access FLCL more than other anime. They're unbiased reasons completely divided from my personal preferences. You mention all these Western elements that are completely irrelevant. You were making the argument that it isn't accessible to a wider audience, and in this case I assume Requizen's friend is American since I assume Requizen lives in America. I was merely saying at the beginning that perhaps having a murican spin on the anime could help ease one's experience into it. If he didn't like FMA (or B) clearly there was something about the anime that was not particularly appealing and maybe he should try something that is a bit different from that. I wasn't the one that was forcing my opinions on others. I merely offered a suggestion. You were the one trying to say we all had shit recs. The problem with FLCL is more in its genre and its "story" rather than its art, music, or anything of that sort. FLCL is a bildungsroman. How is that not accessible? | ||
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Souma
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znf, the very first thing you said was I watched FLCL before I watched any of the anime you listed (Black Lagoon, Code Geass), and I thought it was great. So, to me, it was perfectly accessible. and then you topped it off with Requizen asked for "lots of action and fun" and I gave what I thought were a lot of shows that had lots of action and fun. If that isn't "me me me" I don't know what is. I also explained that the problem with FLCL isn't what you listed but something else. I also stated that I don't think he'd hate FLCL but it isn't something that I'd recommend him right off the bat. FLCL is a bildungsroman. How is that not accessible? Because it's a bildungsroman. Boy you sure do not understand the average Narutard. | ||
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Sentenal
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tonight
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On June 21 2014 08:31 Sentenal wrote: Just saying, Cowboy Bebop is a hugely accessible show for Western noobs. Trigun is better. | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 21 2014 08:32 Souma wrote: It is definitely one of the more accessible anime for Western noobs. Just isn't as accessible as stuff like Geass and Attack on Titan. In terms of western anime noobs popularity, I'm pretty sure that Cowboy Bebop is pretty high on that list. Maybe not DBZ high, but its definitely one of the more popular ones. Regardless, trying to have a pissing contest between it and stuff like Code Geass or SnK is pointless. Its not like Cowboy Bebop is some niche, not-noob-friendly anime. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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By saying the dude watches Naruto I'm obviously putting myself in his shoes, because I'm taking into consideration what he likes. You aren't even doing that. OF COURSE IT MATTERS. I'm not saying his tastes are limited, I'm saying recommend him stuff that there's a very high chance of him liking and then branch out from there after you gain his trust. You can't just recommend anything you want and expect him to like it, you gotta take things into perspective. Requizen didn't say he liked it, or loved it, or was looking for stuff even LIKE Naruto. He said he liked action things. That's what's more important than whether or not he watched Naruto or not. There is no reason why watching Naruto means one can only recommend something similar, and that somehow anyone else who thinks different is doing it the wrong way. If that isn't "me me me" I don't know what is. I offered my personal opinion and then gave five reasons completely irrelevant from my own personal opinion why FLCL is super accessible to a wider audience. You were making the claim that it wasn't. I was saying I disagree. | ||
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Souma
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On June 21 2014 08:48 Sentenal wrote: In terms of western anime noobs popularity, I'm pretty sure that Cowboy Bebop is pretty high on that list. Maybe not DBZ high, but its definitely one of the more popular ones. Regardless, trying to have a pissing contest between it and stuff like Code Geass or SnK is pointless. Its not like Cowboy Bebop is some niche, not-noob-friendly anime. There is no "pissing contest." When recommending anime you want to recommend whatever you think has the highest chance of being well-received by whoever you're recommending to and I just think mainstream popular nubstuffs have a higher chance of being liked in this case. But honestly I don't understand why we're even having this conversation when you've already stated you do not care what the other person likes or dislikes as long as they like what you like. On June 21 2014 08:54 Zergneedsfood wrote: Requizen didn't say he liked it, or loved it, or was looking for stuff even LIKE Naruto. He said he liked action things. That's what's more important than whether or not he watched Naruto or not. There is no reason why watching Naruto means one can only recommend something similar, and that somehow anyone else who thinks different is doing it the wrong way. I offered my personal opinion and then gave five reasons completely irrelevant from my own personal opinion why FLCL is super accessible to a wider audience. You were making the claim that it wasn't. I was saying I disagree. Requizen stated that the only thing the guy has watched at length was Naruto. He obviously liked it, or else he's as M as eca (could quite possibly be the case). Also the guy does not like FMA, yet he likes action. You can surely, SURELY use your brilliant mind to deduce this guy's preferences, and currently FLCL and Cowboy Bebop have less of a chance of being well-received than Geass and Attack on Titan. Once again FLCL is accessible to a wider audience, sure. What makes you think this guy is part of that wider audience? You are not addressing the all-important question. Once again, this guy likes Naruto, doesn't like FMA, yet likes actiony stuff. It makes a lot more sense to recommend him Geass/AoT. And this is why you're all "me, me, me," because you think that all these elements that makes FLCL enjoyable to yourself and this "wider audience" automatically applies to this guy. | ||
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Dismay
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Zergneedsfood
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You have just as equal a chance at hitting a good anime as I do. That, I have absolutely no doubt. I don't think the correlation between these shows and liking them is as strong as you say it is. You can surely, SURELY use your brilliant mind to deduce this guy's preferences, and currently FLCL and Cowboy Bebop have less of a chance of being well-received than Geass and Attack on Titan. I don't think they're that much less that you have to say we have shit recs for it. Again, I was merely offering a suggestion that I think was reasonable since I only was really asking questions and stipulating. There was no reason to just go out of your way and act like you're the only one who had a reasonable recommendation. What makes you think this guy is part of that wider audience? You are not addressing the all-important question. I don't think you're allowed to say this when you're telling him to watch Code Geass and Attack on Titan. Just saying. | ||
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Slaughter
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Also good ole fashioned argument over stupid shit that doesn't matter. We haven't had one in a while, keep it up guys! | ||
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Sentenal
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Anyway, I already said my piece about what I'd actually recommend, but I think you are being crazy for having this whole thing with ZNF and his recommendations. On June 21 2014 09:15 Slaughter wrote: I wonder why adult swim never acquired One Piece since they show Bleach (and I think they do Naruto too?). Also good ole fashioned argument over stupid shit that doesn't matter. We haven't had one in a while, keep it up guys! There is a good reason for that: 4kids. Ruined One Piece's chances over here. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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Also, I never watched anime when I was younger, so all this stuff about being on Adult Swim/Toonami doesn't apply to me. I probably would have liked a lot more anime more than I do now if I had watched them when I was younger and more impressionable. :3 | ||
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Sentenal
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Editing guns into squirt guns, taking out all blood, taking away all of Smoker's cigars, or one of my personal favorites, editing a pistol into this hand held hammer-spring... thing. 4kids is exactly the reason why I haven't been able to get a lot of friends to give One Piece a shot. | ||
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