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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 18:21:54
May 23 2014 18:14 GMT
#76041
On May 24 2014 02:40 Ecael wrote:
We've had people comparing angel beats to buddhism too, if you look hard enough you can find anything.

EDIT - I sound a bit too dismissive with that I guess, was an interesting read. Though the concepts used to show the similarities are fairly universal and hardly limited to Buddhism.


@Ecael : I studied French literature and at some point, i had many classes on text interpretation..
What is the meaning of a text?
A) Is it what YOU as a reader understand?
B) Is it the intent of the author?

The answer is not obvious. Thus, it's easy to understand when you say that when you look hard enough you can find anything. Which is probably why everyone rate anime differently


Say yesterday, I was giving a lecture on concepts and philosophy. I was doing some exercices with my students and gave them some examples. At some point, I wrote the name of different planets. The concept was planet, but the geek in me just realized that it's also the name of Sailor Moon characters. Obviously, most of my students were WTF.

It may or may not be what the author wanted. That being said, I think its much more interesting to see how one's relation with the work of the author than to know what the author meant when he wrote his work (most class authors are dead, so it's hard to know what they wanted to do ; we can only guess).

@Maru : Nice link. I never gave a deep thought on Madoka, although Madoka is ranked very highly in my list of anime. The link just gave me another interpretation of the show
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 18:21:13
May 23 2014 18:20 GMT
#76042
double post
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 23 2014 18:29 GMT
#76043
On May 24 2014 03:14 XenOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 02:40 Ecael wrote:
We've had people comparing angel beats to buddhism too, if you look hard enough you can find anything.

EDIT - I sound a bit too dismissive with that I guess, was an interesting read. Though the concepts used to show the similarities are fairly universal and hardly limited to Buddhism.


@Ecael : I studied French literature and at some point, i had many classes on text interpretation..
What is the meaning of a text?
A) Is it what YOU as a reader understand?
B) Is it the intent of the author?

The answer is not obvious. Thus, it's easy to understand when you say that when you look hard enough you can find anything. Which is probably why everyone rate anime differently


Say yesterday, I was giving a lecture on concepts and philosophy. I was doing some exercices with my students and gave them some examples. At some point, I wrote the name of different planets. The concept was planet, but the geek in me just realized that it's also the name of Sailor Moon characters. Obviously, most of my students were WTF.

It may or may not be what the author wanted. That being said, I think its much more interesting to see how one's relation with the work of the author than to know what the author meant when he wrote his work (most class authors are dead, so it's hard to know what they wanted to do ; we can only guess).

@Maru : Nice link. I never gave a deep thought on Madoka, although Madoka is ranked very highly in my list of anime. The link just gave me another interpretation of the show


On May 13 2014 07:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 05:49 Surth wrote:
oh man we saw a talk by sherry turkle in digital cultures class, she a dumb fuck bro. just read barthes, he's way cooler.


Barthes is smart and interesting, but I'm prejudiced against him because too many people just mindlessly repeat DEATH OF THE AUTHOR as if that's the end all be all of ~edgy~ literary criticism, without even understanding what the death of the author really entails to begin with.

Blargh.

TranslatorBaa!
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 23 2014 18:58 GMT
#76044
Um...what's your point? It wasn't convincing to me in any way, so far as I am concerned it was just digging too deep into a bunch of fairly universal concepts and calling it to be something about Buddhism.

So sure, an interesting read and interpretation. Just a lot less interesting when you consider that the movie just comes along a few years after that piece was written and just does whatever it wants.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
May 23 2014 22:15 GMT
#76045
I just read billionaire girl

Lol am i basically the male version of the MC

Except i'm not a dumbass that would NTR someone T__T
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
May 23 2014 22:22 GMT
#76046
The series seems to be finished at 20 volumes but I can only find up to 15 in english, is there some place that has translated them all?

btw the lead NTRing someone? wat?
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 24 2014 00:39 GMT
#76047
On May 24 2014 01:31 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 12:08 Sentenal wrote:
On May 23 2014 12:04 maru~ wrote:
On May 23 2014 11:40 Slaughter wrote:
On May 23 2014 11:35 maru~ wrote:
On May 23 2014 11:25 Slaughter wrote:
I agree with Sent, if Madoka needs the characters all to be middle school girls to work then its a weak story.

Why?

On May 23 2014 11:25 Slaughter wrote:
I think with some minor adjustments you could make it work with adults.

I don't see it. Can you elaborate?


How does Madoka rely on shock value anyway?

The basic story would still work with adults. A lot of the things in Madoka are things that can easily be also felt by adults. Hell the whole theme of "doing harm for the greater good" is echoed in another anime the author worked on: Fate/Zero.

You could take the premise and use adult protagonists, but then it would unfold quite differently (unless the "adult" protagonists have the mind of a middle school girl), because obviously the mind of a little girl and her thoughts and emotions when it comes to certain key aspects of the show differ a lot from that of an adult.
Madoka was written with little girls as the protagonists in mind.

I don't agree. Could you give me some examples as to how the plot would only work with the "mind of a little girl"? I've already mentioned a counter point with Kamen Rider Ryuki, which has a great number of parallels within it with Madoka, from premise to characters.

+ Show Spoiler +
Little girls are a lot more naive and gullible. I don't think it would be possible for QB to deceive adults the same way. I also don't think that adults would react the same way to the situations the girls were put into. If you replace them with adults people would complain that the characters act like little girls and ask "why did they do X/why didn't they do Y" etc. (well, actually people are already doing that anyway). Example of that is what Toad said about Madoka.

Another thing is that this show explores how innocent little girls would react to disheartening situations, suffering etc. Now I know that this isn't really related to plot. It's just that if someone says that he'd like the show a lot more with adults as characters to me it sounds like "I would like the show a lot more if it were a different show".

Haven't seen KRR so can't comment on that.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 21:12 Toadesstern wrote:
On the madoka stuff: I'm not sure if the show needs them to be little girls. I mean the entire premise of the show is to make people think it's something different by the way it is portrayed, at least early on. To make people think it's just another cute, magical girl series. In that sense, yeah it obviously needs them to be girls. + Show Spoiler +
I mean when I watched it I didn't know about it so I went through the first 1 or 2 episodes and thought it's really boring and almost dropped it, suddenly episode 3 happened and I'm like "oooookay.... but it's going to be fine. Sayaka is going to use her wish for crippled boy and Madoka is going to use her wish for Mami and everything's going to be fine, right?" and we all know how that ended up. So I was really suprised when I watched it because I wasn't expecting that at all and that's usually a good thing for me if it's not just unexpected because stupid.

I keep reading this everywhere. Even if you don't know the show is written by Urobuchi, the very first scene + Show Spoiler +
depicts a visually bizarre dream sequence with creepy music and a girl in a hopeless fight against a grotesque monstrosity. Okay, I get that you might not expect it to turn as dark as it did, but it's pretty damn obvious right from the start that it isn't going to be a happy-go-lucky story.



Anyway, I thought this was quite an interesting read so might as well share it (don't open this spoiler if you haven't finished Madoka): + Show Spoiler +
http://listlessink.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/birth-of-a-goddess-madokas-path-to-nirvana-a-study-of-buddhism/



+ Show Spoiler +
All that is really required for the same plot is for the protagonists to have the same core reasons to do what they do, and to be deceived. Madoka not knowing what to wish for (and thus her driving internal conflict for much of the anime), for example, isn't something inherently exclusive to little girls. Or take whats her name, the blue girl. A moralfag who basically became a magical girl to save her lover. Could easily be applied to someone older. Of course, the everything wouldn't be 1:1 the same if you changed the cast, but the core plot, the flow of events, and the overall theme could easily be done with a different cast of characters.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 00:50:56
May 24 2014 00:50 GMT
#76048
This Nanana ep. I dunno why they bothered to explain the trick the mc pulled last ep, because it was super obvious. Even more baffling is how the loli detective got it wrong. And then the rest of the ep is taken up by awful drama between mc and not-sister. There wasn't even enough loli detective to make up for it.

All I wanted out of this show was adventure.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
May 24 2014 03:05 GMT
#76049
can anyone help me with all the animes in this video, especially the wheelchair bit, theres some k-on and some Hyouka but i think theres something else but im not sure what it is
+ Show Spoiler +
ty
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10657 Posts
May 24 2014 03:17 GMT
#76050
K-on, Kannagi, Hyouka.
Skol
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
May 24 2014 03:22 GMT
#76051
which one is the romantic wheelchair scene
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10657 Posts
May 24 2014 03:33 GMT
#76052
looks fan made. but idk
Skol
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
May 24 2014 03:44 GMT
#76053
On May 24 2014 12:33 Emnjay808 wrote:
looks fan made. but idk

ur right, i kept googling it, and like nothing shows up so i think its a fanmade thing aww i would have liked to see an anime like that.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 24 2014 04:48 GMT
#76054
On May 24 2014 00:28 goody153 wrote:
True Tears 6

What in the

+ Show Spoiler +
So they may be siblings and there could be no way they will pursue the palpable romantic tension without being incest. Welp this is interesting but i don't them to go through the incest crap. Are you sure you guys ain't trolling me you know i hate "incest".

And Noe is ugh creepy with the belt thing. Anyways this is getting to the point i am getting a lot of cringe and excitement.


Will continue this for now. I guess but for now i am switching to Nodame Cantabile. I'll just finish 1 ep of Nodame Cantabile and be back at it. :D

By the way Nodame Cantabile is entertaining + Show Spoiler [why] +
They are all retarded
. why did i not pick this up earlier ?.

yes, continue it lol. + Show Spoiler +
I dunno what the belt thing is with Noe, too far back though I did enjoy it overall. Noe was my favourite character seeing as his sister which he loved doesn't do much and is boring >.>
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
May 24 2014 04:51 GMT
#76055
Nodame is much better than True Tears (one of the best romcoms, if not the best, in all of anime) so it's fine if you jump to that for now, but True Tears is pretty worth the entire watch imo.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 24 2014 05:14 GMT
#76056
Akuma no Riddle: wow, wonder what's going on there lol. + Show Spoiler +
I can't seem them teaming up together. Wonder if Isuza just decided to act on her own but then her timing is impeccable. Wonder how they'll manage this >.>


On May 24 2014 13:51 Souma wrote:
Nodame is much better than True Tears (one of the best romcoms, if not the best, in all of anime) so it's fine if you jump to that for now, but True Tears is pretty worth the entire watch imo.

well, he might as well finish it. Anything that's 1 cour can be easily done in a day (or two) then he can just focus on Nodame right after
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
May 24 2014 05:25 GMT
#76057
This week episode of Black Bullet
+ Show Spoiler +
I was sure Tina would commit suicide since she failed her mission + master ordered her to do so. Guess the initiator are not 'bound' in complete obedience toward their master. The first episodes made me believe otherwise, especially since many of the masters were abusing their initiator.

Guess its almost time to drop Black Bullet as it is leaning toward harem Which is sad, because I felt like the universe was interesting. Storytelling is rushed though
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 24 2014 05:30 GMT
#76058
On May 24 2014 14:25 XenOmega wrote:
This week episode of Black Bullet
+ Show Spoiler +
I was sure Tina would commit suicide since she failed her mission + master ordered her to do so. Guess the initiator are not 'bound' in complete obedience toward their master. The first episodes made me believe otherwise, especially since many of the masters were abusing their initiator.

Guess its almost time to drop Black Bullet as it is leaning toward harem Which is sad, because I felt like the universe was interesting. Storytelling is rushed though

+ Show Spoiler +
well, it's been hinted that he'll do something about the cursed children so it's not really surprising that he'll start getting surrounded by them to start lol. hmm I guess I'll agree to Tina committing suicide so I dunno why she didn't but maybe emotions and making 'friends' is the best way to snap that bond? Give it another couple of episodes to see if he gets any more initiators before giving up on it imo but your choice Aside from the rushed storytelling, I think it's been entertaining to watch lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 05:34:41
May 24 2014 05:30 GMT
#76059
Nodame is really much better than True Tears the female MC is entertainingly retarded but i am having second thoughts if i should continue with Nodame anime. I mean there is a Nodame live action japanese and Korean version but i am not sure which is better. Is the anime much better than the live adaptation ? or nobody has seen it ?

I am actually marathoning both series at the same time. After i watch one episode of Nodame i then watch one episode of true tears and so on. It's not weird right ?
this is a quote
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 05:33:32
May 24 2014 05:33 GMT
#76060
On May 24 2014 14:30 goody153 wrote:
Nodame is really much better than True Tears the female MC is entertainingly retarded.

I am actually marathoning both series at the same time. After i watch one episode of Nodame i then watch one episode of true tears and so on. It's not weird right ?

+ Show Spoiler +
his sister?
I haven't watched Nodame, will eventually though why not just finish one then start the other? Doesn't it disrupt the story for you? Just wondering since I usually just marathon it and find it more enjoyable that way Not weird no lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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