EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 3801
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On May 23 2014 10:48 Slaughter wrote: + Show Spoiler + Should just tell Madoka to wish that the alien species never existed or that they found some other way to harvest energy. I might for with the former option because fuck those wannabe cats. + Show Spoiler + QB addressed that kind of wish (caves etc.). There's another reason why Madoka wouldn't want a wish like that, but I won't get into that now, you will see when you finish the show. On May 23 2014 11:03 Reaper9 wrote: Eh, there's twisted people out there ._., why else are we watching/reading these XD? Well, let's say for shock value then. + Show Spoiler + If the events in Madoka happened to adults, we'd go "errrrrk", but would we be as shocked? (or most of the internetz, I know some of you veterans/myself included, are not phased in the slightest anymore). The show wouldn't work if the protagonists were adults. | ||
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On May 23 2014 11:30 BigFan wrote: what's this madoka? is it this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica? Yep, Toad convinced me to watch it and I am on episode 11 of 12 atm. | ||
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maru~
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On May 23 2014 11:25 Slaughter wrote: I agree with Sent, if Madoka needs the characters all to be middle school girls to work then its a weak story. Why? On May 23 2014 11:25 Slaughter wrote: I think with some minor adjustments you could make it work with adults. I don't see it. Can you elaborate? How does Madoka rely on shock value anyway? | ||
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On May 23 2014 11:31 Slaughter wrote: Yep, Toad convinced me to watch it and I am on episode 11 of 12 atm. oh ok. How are you liking it so far? I guess in terms of shock value, it is greater than or less than School Days' shock value? lol. | ||
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Slaughter
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On May 23 2014 11:35 maru~ wrote: Why? I don't see it. Can you elaborate? How does Madoka rely on shock value anyway? I didn't say it relied on shock value, I said if it did then it would be weak in the story department. Notice how I said it could work with adults (someone said that it needed to be girls to work and I took that as meaning it needed the shock value of having the characters be girls). The basic story would still work with adults. A lot of the things in Madoka are things that can easily be also felt by adults. Hell the whole theme of "doing harm for the greater good" is echoed in another anime the author worked on: Fate/Zero. But like I said above they were trying to specifically reimagine the magical girl genre, which is why its girls. I don't think they did it because of considerations of shock value except within the context of the magical girl genre itself which as I understand it is very happy go lucky everything is nice and good. On May 23 2014 11:37 BigFan wrote: oh ok. How are you liking it so far? I guess in terms of shock value, it is greater than or less than School Days' shock value? lol. Well its def not School Days, in that its actually good and worth watching. You should go watch Elfen Lied if you want shock value and a depressing anime. | ||
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Edit: Who am I kidding, the "shock value" was past the point of annoyance for me. Would have been better without it IMO. | ||
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On May 23 2014 11:40 Slaughter wrote: The basic story would still work with adults. A lot of the things in Madoka are things that can easily be also felt by adults. Hell the whole theme of "doing harm for the greater good" is echoed in another anime the author worked on: Fate/Zero. You could take the premise and use adult protagonists, but then it would unfold quite differently (unless the "adult" protagonists have the mind of a middle school girl), because obviously the mind of a little girl and her thoughts and emotions when it comes to certain key aspects of the show differ a lot from that of an adult. Madoka was written with little girls as the protagonists in mind. On May 23 2014 11:40 Slaughter wrote: I don't think they did it because of considerations of shock value except within the context of the magical girl genre itself which as I understand it is very happy go lucky everything is nice and good. Not necessarily. | ||
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 On May 23 2014 11:40 Slaughter wrote: I didn't say it relied on shock value, I said if it did then it would be weak in the story department. Notice how I said it could work with adults (someone said that it needed to be girls to work and I took that as meaning it needed the shock value of having the characters be girls). The basic story would still work with adults. A lot of the things in Madoka are things that can easily be also felt by adults. Hell the whole theme of "doing harm for the greater good" is echoed in another anime the author worked on: Fate/Zero. But like I said above they were trying to specifically reimagine the magical girl genre, which is why its girls. I don't think they did it because of considerations of shock value except within the context of the magical girl genre itself which as I understand it is very happy go lucky everything is nice and good. Well its def not School Days, in that its actually good and worth watching. You should go watch Elfen Lied if you want shock value and a depressing anime. SD wasn't that bad I'm not a fan of depressing animes unless I already knew about it before watching it lol. | ||
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Sentenal
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On May 23 2014 12:04 maru~ wrote: You could take the premise and use adult protagonists, but then it would unfold quite differently (unless the "adult" protagonists have the mind of a middle school girl), because obviously the mind of a little girl and her thoughts and emotions when it comes to certain key aspects of the show differ a lot from that of an adult. Madoka was written with little girls as the protagonists in mind. I don't agree. Could you give me some examples as to how the plot would only work with the "mind of a little girl"? I've already mentioned a counter point with Kamen Rider Ryuki, which has a great number of parallels within it with Madoka, from premise to characters. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Who the heck are the magical girls fighting now? Some wraith things? I mean the whole system set up by the asshole cats was a cycle of girl ---> witch then death by another magical girl who eventually becomes a witch. They don't really explain the new system just that now the girls just die and disappear before becoming witches because Madoka is now loli jesus who takes everything upon herself. What is producing these new baddies for them to fight? Also seems like they are with her in this new higher plane of existence? (like how Sayaka was talking with her). I liked the series though, not sure if the whole system is air tight when it comes to possible plot holes but w/e maybe I just missed some details. | ||
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On May 23 2014 12:16 Slaughter wrote: Wait something I don't get + Show Spoiler + Who the heck are the magical girls fighting now? Some wraith things? I mean the whole system set up by the asshole cats was a cycle of girl ---> witch then death by another magical girl who eventually becomes a witch. They don't really explain the new system just that now the girls just die and disappear before becoming witches because Madoka is now loli jesus who takes everything upon herself. What is producing these new baddies for them to fight? Also seems like they are with her in this new higher plane of existence? (like how Sayaka was talking with her). I liked the series though, not sure if the whole system is air tight when it comes to possible plot holes but w/e maybe I just missed some details. + Show Spoiler + madoka takes their despair and replaces it with hope, and shoulders their burden for them she turns into a witch after absorbing their despair, but it's a circular paradox because her spirit prevents the formation of witches and they don't fight witches anymore, they fight wraiths, which are pretty much weaker manifestations of despair and ill will | ||
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On May 23 2014 12:34 andyrau wrote: + Show Spoiler + madoka takes their despair and replaces it with hope, and shoulders their burden for them she turns into a witch after absorbing their despair, but it's a circular paradox because her spirit prevents the formation of witches and they don't fight witches anymore, they fight wraiths, which are pretty much weaker manifestations of despair and ill will + Show Spoiler + Yes but why now are they manifesting? I was under the impression that everything mystical was the cat-aliens' doing. Witches were magical girls but now since they are gone these wraith things just pop up because? Why weren't they there from the start, or basically are they part of the new rules of the universe that despair and ill will manifest to give the cats a way to collect energy. I mean the same thing basically happens just that they don't become witches. The girls appear to me to still be getting the shaft in that their wishes cause despair and they eventually get driven into the ground. Her solution kind of seems like a band-aid to a larger problem. I know the cat says "oh if we weren't here you would be living in caves still" blah blah blah but the cat specifically said that she was basically God and could do w/e the fuck she wanted. Limited imagination I guess. | ||
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