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On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion on a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights is that it is childish doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
On October 30 2013 11:19 BigFan wrote: ^ lol, right before I post XD
On October 30 2013 10:38 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 10:34 TanKLoveR wrote:
On October 30 2013 10:06 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 09:11 TanKLoveR wrote:
On October 30 2013 08:58 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 08:53 TanKLoveR wrote: [quote] You should stop posting if you're going to spout your stupidity all over this thread, I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be. Since when it's gundam fucking pokemon? Stupidest thing they've done with the franchise after Age. If you like your plastic pokemon crap good for you, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up with a different gundam, not this.
If you grew up with a gundam anime that didn't have a strong intention of selling gunpla, you came from a different past than mine.
On October 30 2013 08:52 Sterlymobile wrote: [quote]
I am preparing myself. Whenever Key inputs some supernatural stuff, things are going to get serious. I remember watching Air and Kanon, if someone transforms into an animal I am going to freak out man.
There are 9 episodes left into the season which is quite enough for them to explain things (I hope) and go though Rin's arc. The third season was already announced, hopefully they don't want until then to explain. It took me a while to figure out Clannad After Story's ending.
What third season, you mean Ex? That's just going to be bd bonus stuff afaik.
On October 30 2013 08:58 Kipsate wrote: [quote] tsundere heavy cruiser is the best tho
She is pretty yawn, Iona and 402 much more interesting.
Just because a show is made to sell figurines and shit doesn't mean it has to be 110% for kids. A lot of the shows I grew up with were made with this intention, Transformers, Evangelion, Saint Seiya (I even owned some from the first show when I was a kid), Gundam, Macross, but devolve into literally being toys for kids IN the show as well? I'm sorry but I can't just get over how stupid that sounds, I always hated the yugioh's of the world and digimon whatever crap, their stories were just so unimportant they weren't worth watching.
If you can't get the difference between gunpla and gundams I am not sure I can help you. Did you come from 00 and was saved by a gundam as a kid or something? Gundam isn't some sacred concept, it has been used as a medium to cover other stories. Parodies have been made based on it. There were even shit like SD romance of the three kingdoms with gundam. Even if you have problems with all of those, it doesn't change how the show is about gunpla, something with its own culture that might as well as be completely separated from gundams.
If you have a problem with plot, that's fine. That thing wasn't about to give you that. But what you are taking an issue with is for gunpla to be gunpla rather than gundam, which is completely silly.
That's great, I hope you enjoy "gunpla" I don't care for it. Gundam is not supposed to be a toy, so I don't find it fun to watch 7 year olds "fight" with their "gunpla" or whatever. REGARDLESS OF THEM SELLING FIGURINES. It's like I'm arguing with half of the internet again because I didn't like their precious attack on titan, shockingly enough people have different tastes. Done.
Except you just admitted yourself that they sell toys for it? Is your brain fine? It has nothing to do with tastes, it has everything to do with you apparently unable to comprehend the difference between plastic models and fictional objects.
You can hate the show for all I like, but please learn to make the distinction between the two things. The kids aren't fighting with gundams, but plastic models of gundams. It might be news to you, but those have a wide following of a pretty diverse age group in Japan. However childish you find that, it has nothing to do with gundams. Don't bring up bullshit like how Gundams are supposed to be something more, because that has nothing to do with the matter to begin with. It is a show about the hobbyists for the hobbyists.
I think his point was that he hates how the newer gundam shows have moved in a such direction where previously, gundams were considered a weapon of immense power in the hands of a capable user but in the new shows, they were relegated to be less than that. That's what I got from it at least. I've only ever watched the original gundam show and I liked how serious it was. I can't say I've watched newer ones to compare. As for selling gundam figures, ya, pretty popular. I know friends that have them and such. Looks like fun but I don't think building one just to look at it is for me lol.
Either way, why is this convo being brought up again? Sentenal, why can't you just let that convo lay dormant? He has his preferences just like we all do. His reasoning is his own as well. Let's all get along together guys ^^
TankLoveR, haven't forgotten your rants lol.
Preferences and opinions are one thing. Hating stuff you have never even seen before is just stupid and using arguments like "well I am 27 years old" or "a show of the same genre was bad" to explain why you hate something you have never seen is also stupid. At least try it so you can actually explain why you hate it instead of using bs arguments based off nothing but your own assumption.
Let me rephrase then: he dislikes other animes because he has limited time and based disliking them on a previous correlation that he noticed within the same genre. His opinion, up to him what he watches. My point is, thread was ok and then Sentenal randomly called him out on calling znf crazy. From my perspective, it seems like he started a fight over what was a joke. I would rather we use the thread to discuss anime then arguing over opinions and such.
And I'm saying forming such an opinion (negative OR positive) because of some correlation that doesn't go further than "things of the same genre tend to be similar" is stupid. It's not about choosing what to watch due to time. It's about forming opinions off nothing other than assumptions. It'd be like if someone started talking shit about Toradora, having never seen it, and using "correlations" from other romances to prove he is right and he somehow has the right to that opinion because he saw a completely unrelated show or is making baseless assumptions off only the synopsis. He can watch whatever he wants fine, but again, forming opinions on stuff you haven't even tried is dumb.
I don't try stuff if I don't have time and it ends there. Not I don't try stuff because I lack time so I'm going to form opinions on things and hate on it to explain why I won't try it.
but here's the thing: he has a right to an opinion regardless of how he got to it lol. That's the main point I'm arguing here. Whether the way he got the opinion is right or wrong doesn't matter to me since again, it's an opinion. To be clear, I know what you're saying and don't necessarily disagreeing but I think calling someone's opinion wrong is well wrong for obvious reasons.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight lol.
He hasn't watched it. He can't know what it denigrates Gundam to at all, or what Gundam is in thes how. If he actually watched it and formed that conclusion, thats his opinion, and we wouldn't be talking about it. In this case, hes forming an opinion on what the show is in his imagination. Its pure insanity.
Going off memory here so I could be wrong but I think he watched an episode or so, found out he didn't like it and stopped watching. From what I recall though, I think in the original post, he was talking about other mech shows and not gundam so I'm not even sure how gundam came into it.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
0079 is normal shorthand for Original Gundam, btw. Since "Original Gundam" takes too long to type, "Gundam" has come to mean the entire franchise, etc etc. 0079 because thats the year it takes place, and because other gundams having naming conventions using the year.
I see. When I watched 0079, they talked about how serious gundam were, as in piloting one, using it etc... was something that only certain people can do. Point? This statement I made: "gundams were considered a weapon of immense power in the hands of a capable user" isn't false. A single gundam could change the course of a war and only several were built. They were considered powerful etc... so I'm not sure where my statement was wrong. cmon, everytime a gundam appeared, everyone would cry themselves because they were that feared. Power doesn't just have to be physical but psychological because you become weak through that as well.
As far as the original, the Gundam was a superior mobile suit compared to things like the Zaku and Gouf, however later on in the series it was outclassed. I'm fairly certain even Gelgoogs had superior specs to the original gundam, not to mention the many mobile amors like the Big Zam. The original Gundam had slightly better amor than things like the Zaku, and had a beam rifle, the first of its kind. These advantages went away as the series progressed. The war wasn't even won by the Gundam. It was won due to the Zabi family falling apart, and the Federation's production of GMs. The Gundam was made fearsome, not really by being a gundam, but because of its pilot. However, later Gundams would actually do the opposite of this, where Gundams go from "a little better than the competition" to weapons of mass destruction capable of ending civilization itself.
Going off from memory so I can't recall 100% what he said. Either way, I still think this fight is pointless. I mean, you're free to say it's stupid to have an opinion on something you haven't watched if that's the case but what's the point? I still don't understand what you're trying to reach for? Get him to admit you're right? That he's wrong? Having fun with it? trolling? Only reason I responded instead of just ignoring the posts is because I feel he's still entitled to an opinion regardless of how he reached it and I found your original statement to znf just calling for a fight. Think of it this way: If someone replied to a post you made or specifically mentioned you in a post and tried to spite you, would you ignore it or would you post a response telling said person to lay off or mind their own business? opinions are just that, opinions. No need to fight over them lol.
ya, it became outclassed but then once they got the upgrades, they rose up again. I can't remember Heero's last gundam(00 if I recall) but that thing was more powerful than any other gundam or weapon barring epion(sp?) and in a way, it keeps my statement valid since you can still upgrade gundam. They weren't a powerful tool for all time but could be kept at that level with upgrades. After all, they were a mobile suit but it was the pilot who had to well, pilot it lol.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old or so. I didn't watch later gundam series(only part of an episode or so) so I don't have much of an opinion but from what I saw in that short duration, I felt the characters weren't as serious and that it was a bit more umm childish? Not serious? Not sure what term to use but it wasn't to my liking. I dunno, my opinion on the same bit I saw after the original one.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old r so.
Selling gunpla has always been a fairly big commercial goal for them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor does it really matter. My point is that he is dissing a show about a hobby because it isn't about what his idea of Gundam is. Let's put it in perspective. I am building a Unicorn Gundam model, sanding off rough edges, painting parts of it to make it look badass. Then this guy comes along and tells me that my model sucks because he thinks Banagher is a little wuss.
What?
He can not like the Unicorn. He can even dislike my work. But what the fuck does him not liking Banagher have to do with anything? But that's basically his entire argument.
I'm just stating my opinion on his opinion. That he was being hypocritical, and is insane for forming an opinion on a show based on his own imagination of what it is.
ya, it became outclassed but then once they got the upgrades, they rose up again. I can't remember Heero's last gundam(00 if I recall) but that thing was more powerful than any other gundam or weapon barring epion(sp?) and in a way, it keeps my statement valid since you can still upgrade gundam. They weren't a powerful tool for all time but could be kept at that level with upgrades. After all, they were a mobile suit but it was the pilot who had to well, pilot it lol.
I.... What? Okay, this is going to be huge act of kindness from me, since normally I'd just go off here. The Gundam show you apparently watched was Mobile Suit Gundam Wing. That was not the original Gundam. Gundam Wing came out in the mid 90s, while the original came out in 1979. We are talking about entirely different anime, here.
Also, every single Gundam series, with no exception, have been made targeting kids, and primarily made to sell toys (Gunpla). This doesn't mean that older audiences can't enjoy them too, or find things in a kids show that appeals to them. In the same vein, this also means that adults can enjoy Build Fighters as well.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old r so.
Selling gunpla has always been a fairly big commercial goal for them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor does it really matter. My point is that he is dissing a show about a hobby because it isn't about what his idea of Gundam is. Let's put it in perspective. I am building a Unicorn Gundam model, sanding off rough edges, painting parts of it to make it look badass. Then this guy comes along and tells me that my model sucks because he thinks Banagher is a little wuss.
What?
He can not like the Unicorn. He can even dislike my work. But what the fuck does him not liking Banagher have to do with anything? But that's basically his entire argument.
just to make sure I got your point: you're saying your having a problem because he dislikes another mech animes and he's imprinting his own feelings from that onto the gundam series since at this point, I'm completely lost on what we're even arguing anymore XD
On October 30 2013 12:49 Sentenal wrote: I'm just stating my opinion on his opinion. That he was being hypocritical, and is insane for forming an opinion on a show based on his own imagination of what it is.
ya, it became outclassed but then once they got the upgrades, they rose up again. I can't remember Heero's last gundam(00 if I recall) but that thing was more powerful than any other gundam or weapon barring epion(sp?) and in a way, it keeps my statement valid since you can still upgrade gundam. They weren't a powerful tool for all time but could be kept at that level with upgrades. After all, they were a mobile suit but it was the pilot who had to well, pilot it lol.
I.... What? Okay, this is going to be huge act of kindness from me, since normally I'd just go off here. The Gundam show you apparently watched was Mobile Suit Gundam Wing. That was not the original Gundam. Gundam Wing came out in the mid 90s, while the original came out in 1979. We are talking about entirely different anime, here.
well, ya, you're free to state your opinion lol. I'm just saying it's silly to start a fight over a difference in opinion. Yes, I'm aware of the 1979 one. I thought we were discussing the mid 1990s one so I was focusing on that. I never watched the first one so I can't comment on it but in the 1990s one, I felt that it a serious anime geared for an older audience. That's what I felt at least.
On October 29 2013 15:18 Zergneedsfood wrote: It was honestly really bad. I write reviews for certain anime that you're welcome to read though.
I was going to since you mentioned it but then I saw you complaining about Sakamichi no Apollon so idk if I want to anymore . How can there be anything wrong with that show with Kanno and Watanabe teaming up again? AMAZING things and rainbows come out of those 2 working together , the music was amazing (Still listen to the OST regularly, how could I not, jazz soundtrack, Cowboy much?), the animation was beautiful, the story was pretty nice for this type of show (no real complaints except I DIDN'T GET TO SEE MORE OF IT)
I don't really like any of Watanabe's anime.
You're crazy, how can you not like Cowboy Bebop :O or Samurai Champloo AND Macross Plus, that stuff was pure gold and it had some of the most memorable soundtracks I've heard. I remember being surprised he directed Samurai but then I remember the soundtrack and it made perfect sense, that guy has a talent for getting the music just perfect to go with his stories. All the shows he had anything to do with had amazing soundtracks and were very good in their own right, except for maybe Eureka Seven (I didn't see a point to that show at all <.<).
Really looking forward to his new show Space Dandy, looks funky ^^ and I'm sure the music will again be superb.
Didn't watch Macross Plus.
Didn't like Cowboy Bebop. Didn't like Samurai Champloo aside from Nujabes (also just because an anime has a good OST doesn't automatically make it good. I like certain sountracks but hated the anime. Is that a problem?). Or Mitchiko to Hatchin. Gave up on Sakamichi no Apollon halfway through.
I mean I don't understand why everyone has to like those works simply because they're "cool" or whatever other reasons have for liking them and why someone who finds them boring/overrated is "crazy."
Keep in mind you are talking to the guy who decided to not watch MJP because he didn't like Valvrave, and dismissed an anime he has never even watched as "kiddie" because it offends his mature 27-year-old sensibilities.
You should stop posting if you're going to spout your stupidity all over this thread, I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be. Since when it's gundam fucking pokemon? Stupidest thing they've done with the franchise after Age. If you like your plastic pokemon crap good for you, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up with a different gundam, not this.
If you grew up with a gundam anime that didn't have a strong intention of selling gunpla, you came from a different past than mine.
On October 30 2013 08:52 Sterlymobile wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:14 Ecael wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:06 Nagisama wrote:
On October 29 2013 18:48 Sterlymobile wrote: Litter Busters Refrain Episode 4
Interesting episode. This is like the only time there was a scene with only Rin and Riki other than when they are with the cats. Also because someone else said Riki liked someone he suddenly likes Rin. Like what? Then the last scene where Rin and Riki left the locker room and then it gets all bright. Then all the girls leave but Komari. It seemed it should be a significant scene but I can't grasp what they are trying to say. There was also no Kurugaya this episode. Brain has been wrinkled.
Shit's about to get serious. We're heading towards the last arc, that's why it's Rin-focused, and no Kurugaya.
lol it'll click next episode for him maybe, nothing to work with for ep4.
I am preparing myself. Whenever Key inputs some supernatural stuff, things are going to get serious. I remember watching Air and Kanon, if someone transforms into an animal I am going to freak out man.
There are 9 episodes left into the season which is quite enough for them to explain things (I hope) and go though Rin's arc. The third season was already announced, hopefully they don't want until then to explain. It took me a while to figure out Clannad After Story's ending.
What third season, you mean Ex? That's just going to be bd bonus stuff afaik.
On October 30 2013 08:58 Kipsate wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:44 Nagisama wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:41 Maxie wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:40 ragz_gt wrote: Arpeggio just went full original... guess so much for that
I started reading the manga, I'm liking it more so far. Will still watch for ship porn though.
Pretty much this. Iona so moe in the manga :D
tsundere heavy cruiser is the best tho
She is pretty yawn, Iona and 402 much more interesting.
402 master race reporting in.
Haruna is best gi...ship Hyuuga probably most interesting, more back story!
Gundam Wing was geared towards the same audience as the original, as Age, as SEED, as Build Fighters. All geared towards kids, all designed to sell toys.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old r so.
Selling gunpla has always been a fairly big commercial goal for them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor does it really matter. My point is that he is dissing a show about a hobby because it isn't about what his idea of Gundam is. Let's put it in perspective. I am building a Unicorn Gundam model, sanding off rough edges, painting parts of it to make it look badass. Then this guy comes along and tells me that my model sucks because he thinks Banagher is a little wuss.
What?
He can not like the Unicorn. He can even dislike my work. But what the fuck does him not liking Banagher have to do with anything? But that's basically his entire argument.
just to make sure I got your point: you're saying your having a problem because he dislikes another mech animes and he's imprinting his own feelings from that onto the gundam series since at this point, I'm completely lost on what we're even arguing anymore XD
I already broke it down pretty simply I think...
Gunpla builder isn't a gundam anime. Gundam =/= gunpla. The significance that he is attaching to fictional robots doesn't carry over to building plastic models. The show is closer to a sports anime, even something like pokemon, using plastic model building as the 'sport' in question with random fighting parts to fill the void. So from the very beginning, his point about gundams never mattered at all. This is a hobbyist anime that uses plastic models to deliver action. He is free not to like the fact that Sunrise is doing something that isn't gundam, but commercializes it. But calling something more about a hobby than the gundam series childish because it doesn't fit his expectations?
Basically, what he feels about gundams, what they symbolize or whatnot, has no place when we are talking about the process of building plastic models of gundams. His inability to distinguish between the two is what's irking me the most.
On October 29 2013 15:33 TanKLoveR wrote: [quote] I was going to since you mentioned it but then I saw you complaining about Sakamichi no Apollon so idk if I want to anymore . How can there be anything wrong with that show with Kanno and Watanabe teaming up again? AMAZING things and rainbows come out of those 2 working together , the music was amazing (Still listen to the OST regularly, how could I not, jazz soundtrack, Cowboy much?), the animation was beautiful, the story was pretty nice for this type of show (no real complaints except I DIDN'T GET TO SEE MORE OF IT)
I don't really like any of Watanabe's anime.
You're crazy, how can you not like Cowboy Bebop :O or Samurai Champloo AND Macross Plus, that stuff was pure gold and it had some of the most memorable soundtracks I've heard. I remember being surprised he directed Samurai but then I remember the soundtrack and it made perfect sense, that guy has a talent for getting the music just perfect to go with his stories. All the shows he had anything to do with had amazing soundtracks and were very good in their own right, except for maybe Eureka Seven (I didn't see a point to that show at all <.<).
Really looking forward to his new show Space Dandy, looks funky ^^ and I'm sure the music will again be superb.
Didn't watch Macross Plus.
Didn't like Cowboy Bebop. Didn't like Samurai Champloo aside from Nujabes (also just because an anime has a good OST doesn't automatically make it good. I like certain sountracks but hated the anime. Is that a problem?). Or Mitchiko to Hatchin. Gave up on Sakamichi no Apollon halfway through.
I mean I don't understand why everyone has to like those works simply because they're "cool" or whatever other reasons have for liking them and why someone who finds them boring/overrated is "crazy."
Keep in mind you are talking to the guy who decided to not watch MJP because he didn't like Valvrave, and dismissed an anime he has never even watched as "kiddie" because it offends his mature 27-year-old sensibilities.
You should stop posting if you're going to spout your stupidity all over this thread, I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be. Since when it's gundam fucking pokemon? Stupidest thing they've done with the franchise after Age. If you like your plastic pokemon crap good for you, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up with a different gundam, not this.
If you grew up with a gundam anime that didn't have a strong intention of selling gunpla, you came from a different past than mine.
On October 30 2013 08:52 Sterlymobile wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:14 Ecael wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:06 Nagisama wrote:
On October 29 2013 18:48 Sterlymobile wrote: Litter Busters Refrain Episode 4
Interesting episode. This is like the only time there was a scene with only Rin and Riki other than when they are with the cats. Also because someone else said Riki liked someone he suddenly likes Rin. Like what? Then the last scene where Rin and Riki left the locker room and then it gets all bright. Then all the girls leave but Komari. It seemed it should be a significant scene but I can't grasp what they are trying to say. There was also no Kurugaya this episode. Brain has been wrinkled.
Shit's about to get serious. We're heading towards the last arc, that's why it's Rin-focused, and no Kurugaya.
lol it'll click next episode for him maybe, nothing to work with for ep4.
I am preparing myself. Whenever Key inputs some supernatural stuff, things are going to get serious. I remember watching Air and Kanon, if someone transforms into an animal I am going to freak out man.
There are 9 episodes left into the season which is quite enough for them to explain things (I hope) and go though Rin's arc. The third season was already announced, hopefully they don't want until then to explain. It took me a while to figure out Clannad After Story's ending.
What third season, you mean Ex? That's just going to be bd bonus stuff afaik.
On October 30 2013 08:58 Kipsate wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:44 Nagisama wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:41 Maxie wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:40 ragz_gt wrote: Arpeggio just went full original... guess so much for that
I started reading the manga, I'm liking it more so far. Will still watch for ship porn though.
Pretty much this. Iona so moe in the manga :D
tsundere heavy cruiser is the best tho
She is pretty yawn, Iona and 402 much more interesting.
402 master race reporting in.
Haruna is best gi...ship Hyuuga probably most interesting, more back story!
On October 30 2013 14:03 Sentenal wrote: Gundam Wing was geared towards the same audience as the original, as Age, as SEED, as Build Fighters. All geared towards kids, all designed to sell toys.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old r so.
Selling gunpla has always been a fairly big commercial goal for them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor does it really matter. My point is that he is dissing a show about a hobby because it isn't about what his idea of Gundam is. Let's put it in perspective. I am building a Unicorn Gundam model, sanding off rough edges, painting parts of it to make it look badass. Then this guy comes along and tells me that my model sucks because he thinks Banagher is a little wuss.
What?
He can not like the Unicorn. He can even dislike my work. But what the fuck does him not liking Banagher have to do with anything? But that's basically his entire argument.
just to make sure I got your point: you're saying your having a problem because he dislikes another mech animes and he's imprinting his own feelings from that onto the gundam series since at this point, I'm completely lost on what we're even arguing anymore XD
I already broke it down pretty simply I think...
Gunpla builder isn't a gundam anime. Gundam =/= gunpla. The significance that he is attaching to fictional robots doesn't carry over to building plastic models. The show is closer to a sports anime, even something like pokemon, using plastic model building as the 'sport' in question with random fighting parts to fill the void. So from the very beginning, his point about gundams never mattered at all. This is a hobbyist anime that uses plastic models to deliver action. He is free not to like the fact that Sunrise is doing something that isn't gundam, but commercializes it. But calling something more about a hobby than the gundam series childish because it doesn't fit his expectations?
Basically, what he feels about gundams, what they symbolize or whatnot, has no place when we are talking about the process of building plastic models of gundams. His inability to distinguish between the two is what's irking me the most.
On October 29 2013 21:03 Zergneedsfood wrote: [quote]
I don't really like any of Watanabe's anime.
You're crazy, how can you not like Cowboy Bebop :O or Samurai Champloo AND Macross Plus, that stuff was pure gold and it had some of the most memorable soundtracks I've heard. I remember being surprised he directed Samurai but then I remember the soundtrack and it made perfect sense, that guy has a talent for getting the music just perfect to go with his stories. All the shows he had anything to do with had amazing soundtracks and were very good in their own right, except for maybe Eureka Seven (I didn't see a point to that show at all <.<).
Really looking forward to his new show Space Dandy, looks funky ^^ and I'm sure the music will again be superb.
Didn't watch Macross Plus.
Didn't like Cowboy Bebop. Didn't like Samurai Champloo aside from Nujabes (also just because an anime has a good OST doesn't automatically make it good. I like certain sountracks but hated the anime. Is that a problem?). Or Mitchiko to Hatchin. Gave up on Sakamichi no Apollon halfway through.
I mean I don't understand why everyone has to like those works simply because they're "cool" or whatever other reasons have for liking them and why someone who finds them boring/overrated is "crazy."
Keep in mind you are talking to the guy who decided to not watch MJP because he didn't like Valvrave, and dismissed an anime he has never even watched as "kiddie" because it offends his mature 27-year-old sensibilities.
You should stop posting if you're going to spout your stupidity all over this thread, I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be. Since when it's gundam fucking pokemon? Stupidest thing they've done with the franchise after Age. If you like your plastic pokemon crap good for you, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up with a different gundam, not this.
If you grew up with a gundam anime that didn't have a strong intention of selling gunpla, you came from a different past than mine.
On October 30 2013 08:52 Sterlymobile wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:14 Ecael wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:06 Nagisama wrote:
On October 29 2013 18:48 Sterlymobile wrote: Litter Busters Refrain Episode 4
Interesting episode. This is like the only time there was a scene with only Rin and Riki other than when they are with the cats. Also because someone else said Riki liked someone he suddenly likes Rin. Like what? Then the last scene where Rin and Riki left the locker room and then it gets all bright. Then all the girls leave but Komari. It seemed it should be a significant scene but I can't grasp what they are trying to say. There was also no Kurugaya this episode. Brain has been wrinkled.
Shit's about to get serious. We're heading towards the last arc, that's why it's Rin-focused, and no Kurugaya.
lol it'll click next episode for him maybe, nothing to work with for ep4.
I am preparing myself. Whenever Key inputs some supernatural stuff, things are going to get serious. I remember watching Air and Kanon, if someone transforms into an animal I am going to freak out man.
There are 9 episodes left into the season which is quite enough for them to explain things (I hope) and go though Rin's arc. The third season was already announced, hopefully they don't want until then to explain. It took me a while to figure out Clannad After Story's ending.
What third season, you mean Ex? That's just going to be bd bonus stuff afaik.
On October 30 2013 08:58 Kipsate wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:44 Nagisama wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:41 Maxie wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:40 ragz_gt wrote: Arpeggio just went full original... guess so much for that
I started reading the manga, I'm liking it more so far. Will still watch for ship porn though.
Pretty much this. Iona so moe in the manga :D
tsundere heavy cruiser is the best tho
She is pretty yawn, Iona and 402 much more interesting.
402 master race reporting in.
Haruna is best gi...ship Hyuuga probably most interesting, more back story!
11k yen+shipping I guess, plus whatever markup he might've taken in the process.
hmm but doesn't that go back to the original idea that an opinion is merely that, an opinion? Maybe I need to re-read his post about gunpla but I thought he was talking about the gundam anime and how he feels that it was changed to something that he doesn't like. I guess he equated the change to gunpla which is why this argument came up.
On October 30 2013 14:03 Sentenal wrote: Gundam Wing was geared towards the same audience as the original, as Age, as SEED, as Build Fighters. All geared towards kids, all designed to sell toys.
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old r so.
Selling gunpla has always been a fairly big commercial goal for them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor does it really matter. My point is that he is dissing a show about a hobby because it isn't about what his idea of Gundam is. Let's put it in perspective. I am building a Unicorn Gundam model, sanding off rough edges, painting parts of it to make it look badass. Then this guy comes along and tells me that my model sucks because he thinks Banagher is a little wuss.
What?
He can not like the Unicorn. He can even dislike my work. But what the fuck does him not liking Banagher have to do with anything? But that's basically his entire argument.
just to make sure I got your point: you're saying your having a problem because he dislikes another mech animes and he's imprinting his own feelings from that onto the gundam series since at this point, I'm completely lost on what we're even arguing anymore XD
I already broke it down pretty simply I think...
Gunpla builder isn't a gundam anime. Gundam =/= gunpla. The significance that he is attaching to fictional robots doesn't carry over to building plastic models. The show is closer to a sports anime, even something like pokemon, using plastic model building as the 'sport' in question with random fighting parts to fill the void. So from the very beginning, his point about gundams never mattered at all. This is a hobbyist anime that uses plastic models to deliver action. He is free not to like the fact that Sunrise is doing something that isn't gundam, but commercializes it. But calling something more about a hobby than the gundam series childish because it doesn't fit his expectations?
Basically, what he feels about gundams, what they symbolize or whatnot, has no place when we are talking about the process of building plastic models of gundams. His inability to distinguish between the two is what's irking me the most.
On October 30 2013 13:57 XenOmega wrote:
On October 30 2013 10:56 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 30 2013 09:39 Spazer wrote:
On October 30 2013 08:58 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 08:53 TanKLoveR wrote:
On October 30 2013 06:24 Sentenal wrote:
On October 30 2013 05:23 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On October 30 2013 01:02 TanKLoveR wrote: [quote] You're crazy, how can you not like Cowboy Bebop :O or Samurai Champloo AND Macross Plus, that stuff was pure gold and it had some of the most memorable soundtracks I've heard. I remember being surprised he directed Samurai but then I remember the soundtrack and it made perfect sense, that guy has a talent for getting the music just perfect to go with his stories. All the shows he had anything to do with had amazing soundtracks and were very good in their own right, except for maybe Eureka Seven (I didn't see a point to that show at all <.<).
Really looking forward to his new show Space Dandy, looks funky ^^ and I'm sure the music will again be superb.
Didn't watch Macross Plus.
Didn't like Cowboy Bebop. Didn't like Samurai Champloo aside from Nujabes (also just because an anime has a good OST doesn't automatically make it good. I like certain sountracks but hated the anime. Is that a problem?). Or Mitchiko to Hatchin. Gave up on Sakamichi no Apollon halfway through.
I mean I don't understand why everyone has to like those works simply because they're "cool" or whatever other reasons have for liking them and why someone who finds them boring/overrated is "crazy."
Keep in mind you are talking to the guy who decided to not watch MJP because he didn't like Valvrave, and dismissed an anime he has never even watched as "kiddie" because it offends his mature 27-year-old sensibilities.
You should stop posting if you're going to spout your stupidity all over this thread, I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be. Since when it's gundam fucking pokemon? Stupidest thing they've done with the franchise after Age. If you like your plastic pokemon crap good for you, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up with a different gundam, not this.
If you grew up with a gundam anime that didn't have a strong intention of selling gunpla, you came from a different past than mine.
On October 30 2013 08:52 Sterlymobile wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:14 Ecael wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:06 Nagisama wrote:
On October 29 2013 18:48 Sterlymobile wrote: Litter Busters Refrain Episode 4
Interesting episode. This is like the only time there was a scene with only Rin and Riki other than when they are with the cats. Also because someone else said Riki liked someone he suddenly likes Rin. Like what? Then the last scene where Rin and Riki left the locker room and then it gets all bright. Then all the girls leave but Komari. It seemed it should be a significant scene but I can't grasp what they are trying to say. There was also no Kurugaya this episode. Brain has been wrinkled.
Shit's about to get serious. We're heading towards the last arc, that's why it's Rin-focused, and no Kurugaya.
lol it'll click next episode for him maybe, nothing to work with for ep4.
I am preparing myself. Whenever Key inputs some supernatural stuff, things are going to get serious. I remember watching Air and Kanon, if someone transforms into an animal I am going to freak out man.
There are 9 episodes left into the season which is quite enough for them to explain things (I hope) and go though Rin's arc. The third season was already announced, hopefully they don't want until then to explain. It took me a while to figure out Clannad After Story's ending.
What third season, you mean Ex? That's just going to be bd bonus stuff afaik.
On October 30 2013 08:58 Kipsate wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:44 Nagisama wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:41 Maxie wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:40 ragz_gt wrote: Arpeggio just went full original... guess so much for that
I started reading the manga, I'm liking it more so far. Will still watch for ship porn though.
Pretty much this. Iona so moe in the manga :D
tsundere heavy cruiser is the best tho
She is pretty yawn, Iona and 402 much more interesting.
402 master race reporting in.
Haruna is best gi...ship Hyuuga probably most interesting, more back story!
11k yen+shipping I guess, plus whatever markup he might've taken in the process.
hmm but doesn't that go back to the original idea that an opinion is merely that, an opinion? Maybe I need to re-read his post about gunpla but I thought he was talking about the gundam anime and how he feels that it was changed to something that he doesn't like. I guess he equated the change to gunpla which is why this argument came up.
If your opinion is essentially trashtalking some lots of people's hobbies, be ready to get called out. If he assumes he was talking about a gundam series, he is wrong. Something drawing on gundam lore and background for the gunpla doesn't make a series a gundam series. The only way to possibly interpret his words to something that makes any sense would be to assume that he is complaining about commercializing gunpla and the gundam franchise so directly with a show that's gunpla centric. To which I can only say, tough luck. The hobby itself remains a popular one across a large age group, so I don't know where he can pull up the shit about it being childish from. Just the presentation of the anime? Yeah well, need a hook to make a series like that work, this is about as reasonable as it could get. Whichever way we slice it though, he essentially dissed a major hobby with its own culture and can't even make a good point out of it. Of course he is going to get called out.
People approach anime in the same way as all media, in the same way as all life: with a vast, intricate telescope built from assumptions. Sometimes they are backed by knowledge. But no matter how thoroughly a person's telescope scans the stars, he will never see them all. He will never have all the knowledge. His assumptions will never approach the truth. So we all live in various states of ignorance, lacking knowledge and filling the holes with vacuous belief.
Discussion, as in a discussion thread, is just one vehicle in the constant struggle. Everything we post is a reflection of what we believe, or, in other words, our opinion. Value comes from the intersections, not only of the opinions themselves, but of the reasons behind them, the knowledge behind them. Through intersections come exchanges and through the exchange of knowledge comes learning.
The past few pages held posts that appeared to be based on incomplete information. Other posts attempted to educate the posters. That is all.
On October 28 2013 12:00 BigFan wrote: [quote] I have midterms coming up so I have to study during the day and watch it till 3-4 at night otherwise if this was summer, I would've watched it all in one go (or two). For reference, I watched all of db+dbz in a months time(also most dbz episodes x2) XD
I guess you're responsible and stuff , boring. DBZ is so freaking long, I watched it many times when I was a kid haha but I couldn't devote that much time even if it's DBZ. Watching Logh took forever and while it was totally worth it I was like oh man spent too much time watching anime this month D:.
hehe you gotta do what you gotta do ^^ Wait, you called me boring? :O Then I shall watch it yet another day to keep you guessing when I will finish it! ... Just kidding XD ya, dbz is so long. I also tried watching gt and finished it just to see if the rumours of how bad it is were true. Well, I never watched any episodes of it after that lol. Dunno much about Logh though. If its that long though, I don't think I'll be coming close to it XD
Yeah I know haha, I usually have to be boring myself as well, until I start a new anime that hooks me and I get 4 hours of sleep before work terrible. For the first 2 hours while it's early I'm like "Omg I have to see what happens next" then it turns 1 and I'm like "Okay last one for sure... then another... okay this is seriously the last one" 3am comes and I'm still up T_T. GT is a disgrace lol, I watched a few episodes 100 years when it came out and I hated it :/. Logh is really one of the best animes I've ever watched, it's totally worth it but the series is like 110 episodes + all the ovas and stuff it's a good 150. Has really big lore, it's totally worth it to get into it.
haha I know that feeling. I get it all the time whenever I watch any anime. You start off wanting to see what happens then you keep on watching one episode after another until you look at the time and it's 4 in the morning and you have class the next day lol. If it wasn't for time and that you have work/class etc... then you would continue watching as much as possible XD The only way out is to watch an anime that you have to wait for weekly episodes. With animes that are already finished like Toradora, there is no way out XD ya, I wasn't a big fan of GT either. I watched it for the sake of giving it a fair try, no dice. Well, I might give Logh a try if I find that the story interests me but time is really the major issue. Maybe I'll cram it all over December break
Yes in some ways I prefer current shows I have to wait a week for the next episode but at the same time it sucks when you're eager to know what happens next, kind of like I am right now about WA2's next episode, I can't wait for the next episode I want it now D:. But with old shows I have to be careful not to start them when I have shit to do because otherwise I'll procrastinate like crazy <.< and watch as many as I can before bed . I have like 5 shows I REALLY want to watch in my list, but I'll wait a little because now I have to study some stuff to get a less shit job lol.
ya, agree.
Finished watching it at last. My thoughts on it: + Show Spoiler +
Original thought was: God damn it! WTF! what did I just watch! Then it became: I mean I know what the author was thinking. I know he wants her to change for the better. To gain more confidence and realizes that she can do things herself etc... and not put blame on her family and such. The fact that she knew that Ryuji loves her and found someone that cares for her and that she won't be alone made things a lot better for her as well. But God damn it, I was disappointed once she left for that last episode before coming back. I mean yes, their original plan was interesting and I had a feeling he'll propose to her even though they were young. tbh if they went that route, I wouldn't have been that disappointed as long as they didn't completely disappear from everyone and ended up coming back to live on their own as well as show the wedding and such although we got a pseudo-wedding prior to them kissing for the first time.
Even though her confessing to Ryuji that she loved him by mistake after she ended up hurting herself and passing out might seem odd, she was almost unconscious so it's quite plausible that such a thing happens although it did seem like a way to get her to confess to him indirectly otherwise he was going to stay oblivious which in itself would've been disappointing. The scene prior to the bridge, the one where they cornered her and wanted her to just flat out tell Ryuji. I honestly wasn't expecting that at all. It was well done imo even if it felt like it came out of nowhere. I mean cmon, I never imagined Minori, Kitamuru and Ami would decide to get her to confess after she was just giving them chocolate although to be fair, it wasn't planned. I liked the fact that Minori called Ryuji out on it and pretty much just told Taiga what happened and tried to get her to just say it. Definitely a good scene. Probably on par or just a bit short of the Christmas one where Taiga breaks down after Ryuji leaves to go to the party and she realizes that he wants to be with him over everything else. The music timing were spot on and it really added to the intensity of both scenes. I'm probably going to miss both of those scenes since I'm done watching it and I haven't seen much scenes that were that powerful in previous animes I've watched
Minori crying was definitely sad like you said and her faking wanting to talk to Ami but it would've been even worse if he decided to avoid it. I can't blame her for giving him up tbh. I mean she knew just how hurt and painful it was for Taiga to give Ryuji up for her and Minori also knew what Ryuji meant to her. It wasn't just a, I love him but more like, he's my whole life. From that perspective it makes sense. I didn't think the kissing part was all that bad either and was well timed although Ryuji was a bit timid during it and Taiga was quite relaxed and happy which was good. I think getting him mom to come back to her parents and fix her failure if you can call it that was also a smart idea and wasn't expected. Her message of the star was also a good idea as well, lots of thought put behind it which I liked.
What I was really disappointed with were several things: I was disappointed with Ryuji's behaviour after her accidental confession to him several episodes before the ending. The fact that he was still up in the air after all that. I mean he was just ignoring it acting as if it didn't happen. I don't mind some obliviouness but at that point, he's been so oblivious in the anime that he should've realized just how much it was hurting her and how much she loved him. I mean she just told him that it was so painful to her and that it hurts. WTF did he want? Her to confess it to him directly? He should've at least told her that he knew and maybe add his own feelings in so that she doesn't get embarrassed. I was disappointed with the confession at the bridge and that it was never completed. Probably because he wanted to use it for the funny ending and to make those funny texts and since they both knew that they love each other so it wasn't as important but still, since they were together, I think he should've made them complete it because it's the 'first time'. The bridge scene was a bit funny though so it was ok I guess.
While I understand wanting to fix things with her family and her gaining new confidence, I was disappointed that she left out of the blue. Nothing was even hinting at it at all prior to that point. She went to get changed and then come for dinner, not go to see her family. She was happy with him, they had just kissed and things were working out well between them so again, out of the blue. I know Ryuji said that they should get her family's blessing but I think she should've tried to talk with her family and straighten things out in some other way and I didn't see the full purpose of her leaving so suddenly and ditching all her friends and Ryuji in particular. I think if that happened to someone, they would be heart broken for a while unless they know their love is coming back. Yes, I'm aware that she wanted to patch things up with her family but still, it just seemed a bit odd especially after she just heard her mom's message of yelling and saying fine, I don't care etc... I think I'm mostly bitter about it since it almost felt like it was a way to pass time and avoid them interacting with each other for a bit until the ending. I also wish that the note that she left was translated to english because in the one I watched, it didn't so I would've liked to know what was written and not Ryuji's translation of "she believes in me" so I can't get her back.
Another disappointing thing was that after coming back, we didn't get any more interactions at all. We got her coming back to see him on graduation day and wanting to surprise him. He sees the hair and finds her hiding in the cabinet then finally tells her that he loves her in person to which she turns red and hits him saying its embarrassing. I would've really loved if there was just one more episode. Maybe one more focusing on what happens after. Something like after the hit, they walk out together and everyone flocks around them, congratulates them and such then possibly(possibly since I dunno if this will work well and it might not) a small timeskip of maybe several months or even just have the rest of the episode of them deciding on their future, marriage prep and another one for them getting married and giving their vows to close things off.
Having said all that, I really enjoyed the anime a lot. I think it's one of the better ones I've watched. The drawings were great throughout and I think they did an amazing job showing Taiga's emotions especially after her accidental confession. To me at least, it was pretty powerful and showed just how much she loved him which made the later episodes that much better to watch. Showing emotions is pretty standard for animes but I dunno, I just felt this was one of the better ones. Music again was superb and on target. The characters including Ami were great and Ami turning a new leaf was amazing to see as well. I'm kinda disappointed and sad that there was no followup anime or at least several OVAs just expanding on the story
I guess my question is, what was the timeframe for her leaving and returning? She left for 2 months and came back? We know that Ryuji said that he'll be 18 soon and they can get married so does that mean she left, patched things up with her family and then came back after 2 months in time for his graduation, him turning 18 and she plans to stick around for good now? I figure they'll get back together now but I would like to know your opinion on it and if what I wrote is likely the direction that the anime would've taken had they continued it. Also, what did you think of the ending and the last couple of episodes? You are welcome to write a block of text since I want to know if anyone else had similar thoughts to me and such.
Lol saw that and I was like TLDR Version please . + Show Spoiler +
Hmm okay I'll write what I thought of it here since it might be long, now you read my stupidly long rant about it MWAHAHAHAHA
/organizing thoughts.
Well I overall liked the story, it was nice enough but again my issue with who really likes who, who was just a dumb crush they didn't even care for at the end of the day blah blah. It just seems like the whole story at the beginning was sort of useless outside of working towards Ryuji meeting Taiga, everything else was excluded to the point that it might as well just be the two of them. Specially since at the end the feelings of the other characters did not matter, specially Minori, idk why it bothers me so much that her feelings don't matter as much as Taiga's and I think they should, like you said even after Taiga "confessed" to Ryuji, he was like What? What Confession? I didn't hear anything.... so IMO his feelings for Minori were just as important if he was as indecisive after such a big "confession". That's why I could never see them as anything but siblings, Ryuji never hinted at anything else with Taiga, he always treated her as someone who needed to be taken care of not someone he loved in a romantic way, he never acted shy towards her like he did towards Minori or Taiga towards Kitamaru, and yeah you could say it was because they've become familiar over all the time they spent together but if feelings were there I think we would have received a bigger clue from him and not just Taiga's overreactions during the show or Minori just giving up :|.
I think it should have been a matter of Minori AT LEAST "confronting" Ryuji about his feelings towards her to see how he felt, BEFORE that scene where everyone confronts Taiga which yes was a very nice scene and someone might have ended up with watery eyes (almost as emotional for me as the scene with the council president, taiga and kitamaru). It doesn't even seem like she gave it a shot again because I think from the beginning when the rumors of them being a couple started flying around she assumed those 2 were meant to be and she shouldn't disturb that. There was never really a scene that could have helped them become anything more than friends sadly, that sucked for me.
It was very obvious from the get go Ami was NEVER going to get a shot, she seemed to be there to just sort of be the voice of reason of all people. She was indeed very nice and I think something should have happened between her and Ryuji but oh well didn't happen, kind of funny how she liked Ryuji since she met him though .
I disliked her leaving as well, it came out of nowhere and to be honest I thought it was dumb for Ryuji to be so patient when the note probably did not say much(Now that you mentioned the subs thing I don't remember if mine translated that... lol). I'm not saying he should have said fuck it and go have sex with Ami but idk he seemed too "okay" with her just leaving and it seemed like she didn't explain why she left at all in the note from the look on his face. He should have tried to contact her or talk to her to see what's up something along those lines as to not leave things just like that.
It was also very short the way it ended felt like "Oh hai I'm back :D" then I love you and GG. I didn't expected to see like them in the future or anything of all impossible things that was as impossible as Ami getting any, but I would have liked to see them with their friends at the end and not just them being dumb that would have been a much nicer ending. The other thing that bothered me the most is the way Taiga and Ryuji completely over reacted after Ryuji was finally like OH I GUESS I LIKE TAIGA NOW! /SHOCK!, like they didn't even told each other so much as an I love you or I give a shit about you or a kiss and right away LET'S RUN AWAY TO VEGAS AND GET MARRIED RIGHT NAO /BOOKS FLIGHT!, that seemed completely unnecessary and cliche. Their relationship was nowhere near that point but I guess the writers wanted their relationship to seem superior or more advanced to everybody else's and they thought what better way to do that than to make 2 17 year olds get married, it's like they were trying to cram 25 episodes worth of relationship into 2 episodes <.<. That's why I can never take their relationship seriously, it's like they are REALLY dumb kids acting really stupidly, I also like how their parents are totally okay with it.... sigh, I don't think their relationship was handled very well by the writers I don't see why just being a couple wasn't enough. Leaving aside Taiga's daddy issues and what not, I don't think a "husband" would fix any of it.
I think a lot of things were mishandled or just left in the air because the writers were lazy or too Taiga biased, it was a nice show but I definitely would not watch it again. I wish they made some extra episodes about Minori or Ami or Kitamaru that would be nice, for a show with some really dumb leads, the other characters really stand out and they were REALLY nice characters, I'll miss those 3 not the other 2 dumbasses lol. Any continuation this show could get in a imaginary world where a 2nd part or extra episodes to this show could happen and the creators aren't too busy with their new anime. I think it would be with the 3 secondary characters and them sort of meeting with Taiga and Ryuji I think that would be nice, but idk how okay Minori is with seeing them together tbh... you saw how brokenhearted she was after she was done putting up a happy face for the couple. Also about the time line thing hmm well they were about to graduate and then they did so probably 2-3 months? couldn't have been longer than that, at first I thought it was but it wouldn't make sense for her to show up like a year later or for them to graduate a year later. I have to say I really liked all the extra characters in the school, they really made the show fun to watch specially with the school show and all that stuff .
I suppose I like a show where there is an even playing field for everyone involved, not just the leads. I'm definitely happy I have WA2 now though lol, looks like it's going to get fun really soon :D, really looking forward to see the incoming shitstorm.
It took me a while to write this since I'm at work but hey what's slacking for? I was really curious what you thought about the show so cool that you wrote all that stuff lol, no tldr needed .
hmm I see your point and it was something that I wanted to but forgot to mention in my post. I'm not sure why they left Kitamuru, Minori and Ami's feelings as is by the end of the anime. I think part of it is that with all of them, their love isn't available anymore. Kitamuru's previous love left to America and I think he was on the fence with Taiga. Plus, he's heard her confess to him that she loves Ryuji even though she wanted the feelings gone. I think that was enough for kitamuru to decide to not pursue if he even had the thought. With Minor and Ami, they both loved Ryuji but I think they both realized that Taiga is even more in love and would be more hurt. In Ami's case, she knew that Ryuji didn't have the feelings for her so she started concentrating more on having him recognize Taiga's feelings. So in general, there wasn't much to do for the other characters since they were tied in with Taiga or other characters that have left. Kitamuru will likely get together with Kanuo once he gets to America.
Honestly, I think before that episode, he was realizing that he was in love with her. Based on the art and his reactions which I usually pay close attention to, he was a bit more hesitant and couldn't answer if he loved her or not. If he was confident that he didn't, he could've easily said no. Sounds like he was debating within himself. At least, from what I recall, he was becoming more aware subconsciously that he may love her before her accidental confession. I think more episodes in that period would've helped convey his thoughts more. I mean, he was also spacing out if I recall correctly and thinking about why Taiga was being secretive and trying so hard for his sake when I guess to him, he was mostly frustrated with Minori indirectly rejecting his confession and such. Infact, at one point especially after Minori rejected him, it felt to me that he was giving up on her and it was only due to Taiga that he was still trying. In terms of the accidental confession itself, seems like he was a bit taken that she liked him. Infact, it feels like it was the same case with Minori. He didn't know Taiga had feelings for him since she was always acting the same more or less around him since she was comfortable talking to him so this was a "she has these feelings, what will I do?" moment. He didn't know if Minori liked him either aside from Taiga telling him so before Minori said she did. What I mean is that he started to love Taiga more and more as the show went on to the point where he was really angry that she wasn't coming over and feeling lonely without her and that accidental confession was confirmation to him that she likes him.
Thing is, Minori had the chance to do so at the cabin. Ryuji left to go to the washroom but instead he sat by himself and Minori found him and started talking to him. Her mind was on solving class problems and less so on whether he likes her or not. I think her mind was predetermined at that point even though she cried for losing him later on. Even Ryuji remarks about her odd behaviour in the cabin. Ya, the confrontation scene was really powerful. I umm didn't cry lol but replayed it several times because it felt like it was the second(or most) important scene in the anime. I think Taiga's crying scene was more emotional than Minori's crying scene but they obviously both loved him. For all we know, it's possible that Taiga told Minori about her feelings a long time ago although she said before she was cornered that she didn't want to tell anyone what she said when she was unconscious because it was embarrassing and such. Well, there was the one scene holding the bag but ya, there wasn't a major scene. Thing is, Taiga completely moved away from Ryuji and stopped coming over to help him with Minori but it wasn't enough. I guess to Minori, it was much better and she wanted Taiga to have Ryuji since she felt her love and need for him is stronger.
Well, at one point, back when Ami first faced her stalker, Ryuji did have some feelings but they were superficial and based on looks than anything else. I think she was to act as voice of reason later but originally, she was supposed to be someone who fought with Taiga in regards to Kitamuru and made her feel worse. I think in her case, it was about seeing her change into a better person and having more friends etc... and just being accepted which she was during the anime. Sad that she didn't have a shot and personally, I would've liked Ryuji to have had more close acquaintances to add more to the story instead of mostly Taiga and Minori but then where is the limit? If he was already in love with both Taiga and Minori and didn't know what to do, things would only spiral if Ami was added into it.
You have no idea how pissed I was when she left. For some reason, I thought she left for several episodes but realized it was in the last one only. I mean, right after they got together, what I've been waiting for the whole time, then she leaves a note and goes back to her family. I was really pissed when it happened. I know and understand the reasoning but if she just told him the reasoning in person then she kissed him and left before coming back later, I would've been a lot more fine with that because at least, he wouldn't be as frustrated. I don't think he was "okay" as much as, I have to respect her wish and she trusts me to do so. I think the idea was that they were a couple at that point so going away didn't change that and he was respecting her choice and probably knew that she'll come back to him after she patched things up and such. Thinking about it some more, it was probably also the way to make sure that they stay together. I mean, it was a timeskip so that things are patched up with her family and so when she comes back, they can be together for life so in a way, they were probably avoiding adding more episodes showing how things got fixed and such and just getting to the conclusion of the timeskip(her coming back and meeting him again with the same feelings).
YES! YES! Again, I know what he was going for and I've seen other animes or mangas do the same ending but still, it disappoints me a lot that the last thing the anime closed off with was them just meeting again and instead of having a final kiss and just walking together with everyone cheering them or something, it was him confessing and her hitting him over it in her usual character. It was a good idea to confess because it showed that he's not hesitant anymore and he knows that he loves her and I think that was needed. Likewise, we see her becoming red and from that and her reaction, we know that she still loves him so it was confirmation that their feelings were just as strong as before she left him and they were more comfortable with it(Ryuji) so we know that things will just continue as they were prior to her leaving since things have improved from all aspects(family, less pain etc...). Still, I can't help but feel very disappointed that we got a similar ending to other animes and we never saw any more funny and interesting interactions between them which was one of the things I loved about the anime. I actually hoped he'll do an episode just after the confession with them walking with friends and doing fun stuff just to show things and such. Basically, everyone accepted it and they are together forever and such.
Well to be fair, at that point, to Taiga, Ryuji meant the world to her since she had no family and for Ryuji, Taiga was someone who he grew to love a lot and was really lonely without her. She just meant a lot to him and he didn't want to lose her. Ya, the let's get married was a bit over the top but from their perspective, Taiga's mother came to take her away and the relationship was at risk of disappearing. They probably weren't thinking that we should just talk to them and rather, were thinking that we need to do something quick and that they won't listen. Going the marriage route while was quick and caught even Taiga offguard at the bridge, was a solution to their problems, albeit was temporary since they would've had to face everyone when they came back anyways. I think they could've added more episodes to develop it more as well but I don't agree that it was that undeveloped. They were literally spending every minute of the day together minus at night and their bond was crazy strong by then. The parents, well, we don't know what Taiga's mom's response to the marriage idea but I think Ryuji's mom was ok with it because she knew Taiga and wanted him to be happy. I think they just sped it up partly due to time(episodes) and partly due to them being young and wanting to show that they made a fast decision(marriage). In a way, they were just trying to give an ending so that we, the viewers know what is going to happen next. I don't have a problem with it as long as they actually showed us them being a couple and then getting married instead of what we got which was a quick meeting then anime ended.
I actually can see myself watching it again and again lol although it'll have to be much later since I just finished watching it. I think they were more Taiga biased than lazy tbh although the laziness was apparent at the end with the timeskip although maybe patching things up and such would be boring to watch and animate. I disagree, I think they were all great lol. I think Minori would actually get over the fact that Taiga is with Ryuji with time. For all we know, she might be already over it after the timeskip that the anime had. She was heartbroken but nowhere near what Taiga would've been like had Ryuji and Minori ended up together so from my perspective, Taiga had it rougher and loved Ryuji more than Minori especially when you consider her trying to do everything in her power to get them together even though it was painful to her. The extra characters were also pretty well done and added more to the atmosphere. The part with everyone texting her and such when they knew she withdrew from the school or during the skiing trip etc... I thought graduation was 2-3 months as well but in some toradora wiki, they said she came back a bit over a year later. That sounds way too long, right? I mean they had Christmas and were talking about the classes splitting up and such soon after exams so I figured several months and worst case half a year at best since graduation is usually June and this was probably around January or end of December or so.
ya, even playing field is nice but we knew from the start, that the two of them will get together so not surprising. Just wish there were more episodes to watch and expand on what happened after she came back on graduation day. ya, no tldr for you for this either. There's just a lot that I can write but I can't spend a ton of time on it either.
Someone who can rant more than I can? NOWAI! All your rants need a TLDR version lol.
I can see a lot of your points, specially about the urgency of their "marriage" with Taiga's mom being around and all that stuff. Don't get me wrong I don't hate the show, some things just weren't fleshed out well enough for my liking and so the ending didn't make too much sense for me. I think a more even story and one where we see more of their relationship would be better, even if from the get go we know Minori and Ami had no chance. I JUST FELT TEASED! lol jk ISH. A longer show or maybe some ovas would have done a lot for this show, as it is I didn't like the way it ends, the whole thing up until like episode 21-22 was really nice but I wouldn't want to watch it again because my precious Ami got ignored painful to watch again D:. They should have pulled a Nodame Cantabile and split the show in 2 seasons, I felt Nodame was amazingly well paced and I really liked all the characters, nothing felt sudden or rushed or mishandled. I recommend Nodame, from the get go you know the leads will be together but I'm totally fine with that since I feel nodame did a better job with the pace of the story (the superb music didn't hurt it either), is not like I need for everyone to sleep with each other and there's a mess over who's with who in every show. Just dislike predictability coupled with a so so story.
I read someone said that Golden Time is a lot like Tora so maybe you can watch that instead of hoping for anyone to make more content out of Tora lol, it seems the same people are in charge so I would expect more mishandled story and bias . Also I have to say I really loved Ryuji's mom, what a nice lady , I really felt bad that Ryuji was so rude while trying to be "thoughtful" to her mother's needs. I can see what he was going for but her mom was a really hard working lady and a good mom so she should have let her keep doing what she does and not try to be an adult when he obviously has a lot to learn (clue: asking Taiga to marry him before even kissing her ). One thing that ALMOST made me SKIP on the whole show, I was seriously ready to stop watching the show and be like yeah I didn't watch any of that nope I don't need to watch it further lol. Was the pool episode, I was like oh man she's gonna get in the water, one of those fake boobs is gonna float on to the pool and everyone is going to laugh their balls off at poor Taiga D:. I really hate when awkward characters have shit like that happen to them, I've had movies I can't watch because I hate scenes like that, idk what it is but I can't watch that stuff. I decided to push ahead and skipped most of that scene
Last night before bed I watched 1 episode of Kimi Nozo and it was really good, I definitely see why somebody told me if I liked WA I would like KN, though they seem very different I can see where he was going with that. It took a lot of willpower not to watch another episode hahaha but I had such an early morning.
Oh I forgot to mention, you know one thing that really turned me off about their relationship that just didn't sell it for me? remember the episode about the pool how Taiga was embarrassed about it and so Ryuji made her fake boobs? That isn't something I would see a bf do lol, I mean that seemed more like a sibling/father thing to do, so I always had this image of them being sibling like and I thought it was creepy as fuck when they kissed lol. There were a lot of things like that from Ryuji that didn't seem romantic as opposed to just being nice and family like towards Taiga, so I was always hoping he didn't end up hooking up with his "sister" lol.
That was quite long so I put it in spoiler tags as to not take half the forum page lol. Overall good rant exchange lol would rant again. Let me know what shows you watch later on when you make time for it, maybe I've seen it or have time and we'll exchange rants. I honestly never have anyone to gush about this type of anime since my friends either don't have time for them or don't want to watch "sad stuff" lol. Like Anohana was sad as fuck but in a happy way nothing bad about it lol. If I'm gonna rant about stuff I like/dislike I rather it's with someone who can discuss things instead of "green texting" shit like a trolling idiot or dismiss it because "Oh well I don't do that so you're stupid", who knew TL could be so annoying outside the SC2 forum hahaha.
Here's my response to your first rant. As promised, it's jam packed with lots of stuff lol. No TLDR for you. I'll get to your second rant tommorrow: + Show Spoiler +
hmm I dunno if I agree that it wasn't fleshed out. I mean, yes, the part about getting married was quick but again, it was a desperate move to avoid what they saw as inevitable but overall, it wasn't bad. We had them meeting and getting closer in the first 7-8 episodes. Then Taiga slowly starts warming up to Ryuji seeing as he's always there and in a way spoiling her. She tried to help him with Minori and he tried to help her with Kitamuru. As time passed, they got even closer and closer. During the christmas episode and even an episode or two prior to that, he was already having thoughts about it. When I mean thoughts, I don't mean he stood there and keep thinking how cute she looked but he was already questioning his feelings for her. This is notable when the other girl who likes kitamuru tried to get him to admit to liking Taiga since the other girl wanted kitamuru to herself and he wasn't sure how to answer the question. The ending made sense to me but wasn't what I had in mind which is why it pissed me off and I'm still a little ticked when I consider how they decided to end it. I mean, cmon. As a kid I didn't mind stories ending with those kind of endings, but you grow out of that phase. I like concrete endings.
In this case, I'm pretty sure that we can guess what the ending is. They are going to stay together since she came back for good now since he just had graduation and they'll likely just do stuff together, get even closer, plan out their future in terms of what they are going to do whether its college or work etc... then get married and probably settle down. Something interesting that I'm not sure you know is that the light novel actually had Taiga coming back in 2 or so months time and not the a bit more than a year thing. I prefer that much much more than the anime one. 2 months is enough time to mend relations with her mother and to keep loving Ryuji. If she came back after a year like in the anime, even though she was still in love with him(red etc...), I would question it more because long distance relationship usually don't work that easily. You need a lot of effort. Maybe they called/msg'd each other a lot, who knows but 2 months sounds like a much more plausible time to mend and maintain her feelings then she can continue her third year with him. Since that's what the author wanted, I'm sticking with 2 months time in terms of her coming back since supposedly, they made the anime without knowing how it ends so 1 year was their guess. Also, her school uniform for the other school could've been a lot better in the anime. Now I'm nitpicking XD
Back with the Ami stuff huh? lol. Ya, I can see how you felt teasted but cmon, we knew Ami had no chance from the start. The way she acted at the restaurant was enough to tell Ryuji that he should be careful about hooking up with her especially since he was interested more in Minori and developing feelings for Taiga at that time. Nodame Cantabile sounds like a good anime. I might watch it when I get the chance. yes, predictability can be bad but if done well, it can lead to a great show. cmon, just look at how Taiga changed during Toradora. She still had her moments later on but man, she is almost indistinguishable in some cases. The way she acts after Ryuji after she finally developed and realized her feelings is night and day to her original act and that's something I liked. I think she also looked cuter especially later on whenever she turned a bit red around Ryuji lol. Feels odd to say an anime character looks cute. Is this moe?
Yes, golden time. I heard that the same author wrote it so I was hoping that I'll see some form of Taiga and Ryuji in there somewhere. Since they wrote Toradora, only natural that it'll have an effect on Golden Time. Yes, I know that I won't get more Toradora content and it disappoints me. In shows like dbz where there is a million episodes, you're literally tired after you finish watching it and by the end, you feel so much has been done that having no more episodes is probably fine but in shows that are short like Toradora, you feel you need more episodes whether its to expand on certain parts of the show that the episodes didn't(maybe on the mom's side a bit) or to go a bit further after the ending to show a bit more of their new life together now that Taiga fixed her family problems and Ryuji is older and they are together. His mom is nice but I think the problem is that she was trying to lay her own expectations on him or rather her own desires. I think that's why he got pissed off. He has the marks and can go to college but its his choice if he does that. His mom while she has good intentions, should've just told him her thoughts and left him to decide instead of getting mad that he was working and might not go to college.
ya, that pool episode. I had the same feeling. It happens in other animes/mangas where if the main character is in the same boat then that mishap happens. In this case, Ryuji was there to help her. I also hate it when awkward things happen to characters and it makes me feel bad for them I still watch the scene though since it's usually not that bad. Kimi Nozo so you mean the 14 episode anime? Only one I could find. Seems interesting from description and I can see myself finishing it in 2 days easy XD
About that part that turned you off, keep in mind that at that point, Taiga probably saw Ryuji as a family member and vice versa. That's why they could do so many things that only a brother and sister can do. Here's the thing though. The relationship was developing more and more in the episodes after. That may be the first episode where Taiga makes the realization of how important he is to her even if it's for his kindness and how much he helps her. Here's the other thing: family member doesn't only have to mean siblings or parents but it can mean significant other. Their relationship went from a really close, almost sibling level friendship to romantic partner friendship as time moved on but in the end, that's still considered family lol. I got some sister vibes at times mostly due to how small she is and her behaviour around him since he was spoiling her but even then, it wasn't all that bad. I think making her short or a bit too spoiled around Ryuji might've led you to think that way although the earlier episodes when they get really close and even later episodes didn't help lol. Let's not forget that Ami told him many times to cut out the daddy crap and how he's playing house so she tried to make him take notice that Taiga is not his sibling or his daughter but a very close classmate who may have feelings for him.
On October 30 2013 14:03 Sentenal wrote: Gundam Wing was geared towards the same audience as the original, as Age, as SEED, as Build Fighters. All geared towards kids, all designed to sell toys.
hmm fair enough.
On October 30 2013 14:10 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 13:47 BigFan wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:47 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:36 BigFan wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:10 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 11:40 BigFan wrote:
On October 30 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote: The thread will be fine as long as people don't act like hypocrites.
I don't think Ecael would like it if mods started moderating this thread over a silly fight lol.
btw, went back to see his posts, caught his: "I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be." it's his opinion. Look at all the Is lol. He never stated it as fact or at least, I didn't see that part in his posts but I could've missed it. Either way, this is a silly fight and you guys won't get anywhere in the end except just pissing each other off.
idk what he thinks gundam should be, nor do I think it really matters. But if his opinion is a show that's more about building plastic models and cool fights with those doesn't fit his ideology of what a gundam should be? I am sorry, he is retarded. I am not a particular big fan of gunpla building, but I wouldn't take it well if someone disses a show based on my hobby because it doesn't fit his ideal...I don't know what.
Thing is, I think everyone is missing my point(wrote above). I think his perspective on the early gundam series is that it's supposed to be serious, hardcore, fighting to survive etc... I dunno what the original gundam series was for as in I dunno if it was purposely to sell toys or that came after the fact but for me, at the time, it felt like a complex anime that was more for someone who's 17-18 than a 10-12 year old r so.
Selling gunpla has always been a fairly big commercial goal for them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor does it really matter. My point is that he is dissing a show about a hobby because it isn't about what his idea of Gundam is. Let's put it in perspective. I am building a Unicorn Gundam model, sanding off rough edges, painting parts of it to make it look badass. Then this guy comes along and tells me that my model sucks because he thinks Banagher is a little wuss.
What?
He can not like the Unicorn. He can even dislike my work. But what the fuck does him not liking Banagher have to do with anything? But that's basically his entire argument.
just to make sure I got your point: you're saying your having a problem because he dislikes another mech animes and he's imprinting his own feelings from that onto the gundam series since at this point, I'm completely lost on what we're even arguing anymore XD
I already broke it down pretty simply I think...
Gunpla builder isn't a gundam anime. Gundam =/= gunpla. The significance that he is attaching to fictional robots doesn't carry over to building plastic models. The show is closer to a sports anime, even something like pokemon, using plastic model building as the 'sport' in question with random fighting parts to fill the void. So from the very beginning, his point about gundams never mattered at all. This is a hobbyist anime that uses plastic models to deliver action. He is free not to like the fact that Sunrise is doing something that isn't gundam, but commercializes it. But calling something more about a hobby than the gundam series childish because it doesn't fit his expectations?
Basically, what he feels about gundams, what they symbolize or whatnot, has no place when we are talking about the process of building plastic models of gundams. His inability to distinguish between the two is what's irking me the most.
On October 30 2013 13:57 XenOmega wrote:
On October 30 2013 10:56 ragz_gt wrote:
On October 30 2013 09:39 Spazer wrote:
On October 30 2013 08:58 Ecael wrote:
On October 30 2013 08:53 TanKLoveR wrote:
On October 30 2013 06:24 Sentenal wrote:
On October 30 2013 05:23 Zergneedsfood wrote: [quote]
Didn't watch Macross Plus.
Didn't like Cowboy Bebop. Didn't like Samurai Champloo aside from Nujabes (also just because an anime has a good OST doesn't automatically make it good. I like certain sountracks but hated the anime. Is that a problem?). Or Mitchiko to Hatchin. Gave up on Sakamichi no Apollon halfway through.
I mean I don't understand why everyone has to like those works simply because they're "cool" or whatever other reasons have for liking them and why someone who finds them boring/overrated is "crazy."
Keep in mind you are talking to the guy who decided to not watch MJP because he didn't like Valvrave, and dismissed an anime he has never even watched as "kiddie" because it offends his mature 27-year-old sensibilities.
You should stop posting if you're going to spout your stupidity all over this thread, I said I didn't like it because it denigrates what I consider to be a GOOD gundam, what gundam is supposed to be. Since when it's gundam fucking pokemon? Stupidest thing they've done with the franchise after Age. If you like your plastic pokemon crap good for you, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I grew up with a different gundam, not this.
If you grew up with a gundam anime that didn't have a strong intention of selling gunpla, you came from a different past than mine.
On October 30 2013 08:52 Sterlymobile wrote:
On October 29 2013 23:14 Ecael wrote:
On October 29 2013 19:06 Nagisama wrote: [quote] Shit's about to get serious. We're heading towards the last arc, that's why it's Rin-focused, and no Kurugaya.
lol it'll click next episode for him maybe, nothing to work with for ep4.
I am preparing myself. Whenever Key inputs some supernatural stuff, things are going to get serious. I remember watching Air and Kanon, if someone transforms into an animal I am going to freak out man.
There are 9 episodes left into the season which is quite enough for them to explain things (I hope) and go though Rin's arc. The third season was already announced, hopefully they don't want until then to explain. It took me a while to figure out Clannad After Story's ending.
What third season, you mean Ex? That's just going to be bd bonus stuff afaik.
On October 30 2013 08:58 Kipsate wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:44 Nagisama wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:41 Maxie wrote: [quote]
I started reading the manga, I'm liking it more so far. Will still watch for ship porn though.
Pretty much this. Iona so moe in the manga :D
tsundere heavy cruiser is the best tho
She is pretty yawn, Iona and 402 much more interesting.
402 master race reporting in.
Haruna is best gi...ship Hyuuga probably most interesting, more back story!
11k yen+shipping I guess, plus whatever markup he might've taken in the process.
hmm but doesn't that go back to the original idea that an opinion is merely that, an opinion? Maybe I need to re-read his post about gunpla but I thought he was talking about the gundam anime and how he feels that it was changed to something that he doesn't like. I guess he equated the change to gunpla which is why this argument came up.
If your opinion is essentially trashtalking some lots of people's hobbies, be ready to get called out. If he assumes he was talking about a gundam series, he is wrong. Something drawing on gundam lore and background for the gunpla doesn't make a series a gundam series. The only way to possibly interpret his words to something that makes any sense would be to assume that he is complaining about commercializing gunpla and the gundam franchise so directly with a show that's gunpla centric. To which I can only say, tough luck. The hobby itself remains a popular one across a large age group, so I don't know where he can pull up the shit about it being childish from. Just the presentation of the anime? Yeah well, need a hook to make a series like that work, this is about as reasonable as it could get. Whichever way we slice it though, he essentially dissed a major hobby with its own culture and can't even make a good point out of it. Of course he is going to get called out.
Wow, this OP came out really quick. Its instantly one of my favorites this year <3
Debuted off the Uchouten ED and got another OP right after? Doing pretty good, hope fhana gets more popular.
Personally, I wasn't arguing his stance on the gundam series. I was mostly arguing two things when I first responded to Sentenal's post. The first was that his opinion is his own and that wasn't in regards to gundam but rather how he wasn't watching other mech animes after watching one of them since he said he noticed a trend in the past. Second thing I was arguing which was why I posted today was Sentenal's post which to me, was just provocative even if he didn't mean it that way but only he would know why he posted it. It turned a normal convo upside down which I wasn't a fan off. I like to read discussions in here regarding animes since I can choose which I like and watch them when I have time so replying to posts just to get into an argument doesn't sit well with me and felt I should mention something.
Having said all that, I don't know much about gunpla. I don't own any figures but I have friends who do. Is it for me? I don't think so but I don't have a problem with it and wouldn't diss it. I would have to go back and re-read his posts to know just how much he dissed it. I wasn't focusing on those posts as much as the previous posts from several days back where Sentenal got into argument with him over mech anime in general(gundam argument came only today I think) and the most recent provocative post.
Btw, this was the second post I was talking about:
On October 29 2013 15:18 Zergneedsfood wrote: It was honestly really bad. I write reviews for certain anime that you're welcome to read though.
I was going to since you mentioned it but then I saw you complaining about Sakamichi no Apollon so idk if I want to anymore . How can there be anything wrong with that show with Kanno and Watanabe teaming up again? AMAZING things and rainbows come out of those 2 working together , the music was amazing (Still listen to the OST regularly, how could I not, jazz soundtrack, Cowboy much?), the animation was beautiful, the story was pretty nice for this type of show (no real complaints except I DIDN'T GET TO SEE MORE OF IT)
I don't really like any of Watanabe's anime.
You're crazy, how can you not like Cowboy Bebop :O or Samurai Champloo AND Macross Plus, that stuff was pure gold and it had some of the most memorable soundtracks I've heard. I remember being surprised he directed Samurai but then I remember the soundtrack and it made perfect sense, that guy has a talent for getting the music just perfect to go with his stories. All the shows he had anything to do with had amazing soundtracks and were very good in their own right, except for maybe Eureka Seven (I didn't see a point to that show at all <.<).
Really looking forward to his new show Space Dandy, looks funky ^^ and I'm sure the music will again be superb.
Didn't watch Macross Plus.
Didn't like Cowboy Bebop. Didn't like Samurai Champloo aside from Nujabes (also just because an anime has a good OST doesn't automatically make it good. I like certain sountracks but hated the anime. Is that a problem?). Or Mitchiko to Hatchin. Gave up on Sakamichi no Apollon halfway through.
I mean I don't understand why everyone has to like those works simply because they're "cool" or whatever other reasons have for liking them and why someone who finds them boring/overrated is "crazy."
Keep in mind you are talking to the guy who decided to not watch MJP because he didn't like Valvrave, and dismissed an anime he has never even watched as "kiddie" because it offends his mature 27-year-old sensibilities.
I feel like we've reached the end of the argument so I'm hoping we can actually move back to discussing anime like how it should be ^^
On October 30 2013 15:45 EchOne wrote: People approach anime in the same way as all media, in the same way as all life: with a vast, intricate telescope built from assumptions. Sometimes they are backed by knowledge. But no matter how thoroughly a person's telescope scans the stars, he will never see them all. He will never have all the knowledge. His assumptions will never approach the truth. So we all live in various states of ignorance, lacking knowledge and filling the holes with vacuous belief.
Discussion, as in a discussion thread, is just one vehicle in the constant struggle. Everything we post is a reflection of what we believe, or, in other words, our opinion. Value comes from the intersections, not only of the opinions themselves, but of the reasons behind them, the knowledge behind them. Through intersections come exchanges and through the exchange of knowledge comes learning.
The past few pages held posts that appeared to be based on incomplete information. Other posts attempted to educate the posters. That is all.
you're wrong my friend but it's not what you wrote, but assumed. I have no problems with people discussing anime and getting different opinions, viewpoints etc... My only concern is when there is a post that it's only purpose seems to provoke someone. In that case, we lose discussion and the knowledge that would've been shared with it and the argument takes over the thread. I mean, look at how many pages that silly post has produced and the amount of time wasted trying to convey a stance between different posters. btw, love that writing lol. Only thing is that it feels like I've read this same thing before somewhere, just can't remember where though ><
holy shit. That was one intense episode to watch! Taking down 2 ships by getting the right timing and all in one episode made it better although more episode is always better XD Awesome episode! Can anyone confirm if this happened in the manga as well since I read a comment on here saying otherwise? At this rate though, I'm starting to wonder if this anime won't be finished really fast. They've already taken out 2 ships and Takao left the fleet. Seems like only 400, 402, Tsunde and the other two ships are left.
Seeing them chatting and trying to act like humans was interesting. Would've liked it if there was more conversation though. It felt like it was a quick, why are you fighting with them into I need a captain and then finished. Would've liked to know why she needed a captain! On another note, I do wonder what Iona must've felt after sinking the mental models. She seemed really taken back as if she felt their death or so.
Kirishima is so full of herself lol and got what she deserves. In a way, it serves her right for being so egotistic and thinking that only power and not strategy matters. Also, Haruna seems like an interesting character. Feels like after that, she gained a new understanding of the term regret. I think she'll be saved by the girl we saw and then eventually come to realize that she doesn't want to harm humans or something. Maybe she'll even join them. I mean, we know that Takao wants a captain now and I have a feeling that maybe she'll join Iona and Gunzou and their crews and help them out through coordinating strats or something. She did say that she knows where to meet them after all after talking to 400 and 402.
It does make me wonder if Kirishma is still alive though. I mean, it's the mental model that technically died but she is AI after all and Haruna seems to have saved the main piece which the girl picked up from the ground. Also, makes me wonder how you would activate that piece since I figured if they were sunk, they essentially died but it seems like they just go back into the piece and need to be reactivated or something. Interesting to know her reaction though. I mean, not wanting to die yet it's an AI.
Before I started reading the manga the whole Takao Stockholm Syndrome thing felt way too forced. I just wonder if people watching it without the expanded material you get from the manga will find it far too unnatural? (Seeing as you don't really get to see 400, 402 and Maya goofing off as well.
hmm I dunno. I'm guessing you mean that Takao wanting a captain like Gunzou since he didn't sink her? I don't think it's unnatural. I mean look at it from her perspective. She's a weapon. Wants to be more powerful. Seeing Iona beat her when in a straight fight where no one else is involved, Iona should lose just due to the difference in their powers. It makes sense after that why she would want a captain and feel something towards Gunzou.
Looks like they cut out the Hakugei altogether =(. Might be going anime original or just cutting "unnecessary" parts to fit the whole story in 12 eps. Combined supergravity pew pew laser was cool though.
Hakugei's pretty damn important though lol. I was hoping they'd avoid it, but I guess they really are headed for an anime original ending or something.
Hakugei? What's Hakugei? ship? I'm hoping that they follow the manga although on the other hand, means I can read the manga after the anime is finished for a different perspective and to see what author really wanted lol
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lol. 
(the superb music didn't hurt it either), is not like I need for everyone to sleep with each other and there's a mess over who's with who in every show. Just dislike predictability coupled with a so so story. 
I still watch the scene though since it's usually not that bad. Kimi Nozo so you mean the 14 episode anime? Only one I could find. Seems interesting from description and I can see myself finishing it in 2 days easy XD 
