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Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 20:04 GMT
#55361
On April 12 2013 04:57 Ecael wrote:
I like how the anticipation for Railgun s2 basically boils down to terrorist/hat Misaka moe.


I don't have very high expectations on any J.C Staff original content, but I wouldn't mind seeing Kuroko kick some ass. Teleportation is fun.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
April 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#55362
On April 12 2013 05:04 Maxie wrote:
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On April 12 2013 04:57 Ecael wrote:
I like how the anticipation for Railgun s2 basically boils down to terrorist/hat Misaka moe.


I don't have very high expectations on any J.C Staff original content, but I wouldn't mind seeing Kuroko kick some ass. Teleportation is fun.


Jump on the Hentai Ouji train with me. Theres plenty room.
Skol
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
April 11 2013 20:09 GMT
#55363
So in Japan in using a woman voice actor who is sexually active is bad PR?
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 20:10 GMT
#55364
On April 12 2013 05:06 Emnjay808 wrote:
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On April 12 2013 05:04 Maxie wrote:
On April 12 2013 04:57 Ecael wrote:
I like how the anticipation for Railgun s2 basically boils down to terrorist/hat Misaka moe.


I don't have very high expectations on any J.C Staff original content, but I wouldn't mind seeing Kuroko kick some ass. Teleportation is fun.


Jump on the Hentai Ouji train with me. Theres plenty room.


Oh, I'm in all right, friend.

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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:12:26
April 11 2013 20:11 GMT
#55365
On April 12 2013 05:09 Just_a_Moth wrote:
So in Japan in using a woman voice actor who is sexually active is bad PR?

I am not sure where in the world would using something like that be good PR in itself.

A scandal or two probably won't hurt that much for more well established seiyuus, but Hirano manages to get 2ch on her ass with everything that she does. No real return to bother with her.
On April 12 2013 05:10 Maxie wrote:
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On April 12 2013 05:06 Emnjay808 wrote:
On April 12 2013 05:04 Maxie wrote:
On April 12 2013 04:57 Ecael wrote:
I like how the anticipation for Railgun s2 basically boils down to terrorist/hat Misaka moe.


I don't have very high expectations on any J.C Staff original content, but I wouldn't mind seeing Kuroko kick some ass. Teleportation is fun.


Jump on the Hentai Ouji train with me. Theres plenty room.


Oh, I'm in all right, friend.

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Sigh my Tsukiko-chan getting defiled even more now, brb wristing.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:12:19
April 11 2013 20:11 GMT
#55366
EDIT - oops~
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:14:27
April 11 2013 20:13 GMT
#55367
Who cares what Hirano does irl. She voices a good Lucy. Thats what matters.
Skol
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:16:42
April 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#55368
On April 12 2013 04:51 ZenithM wrote:
It's still weird to me that people seek perfectly crafted story telling in anime (as some do in video games). They're bound to constraints and medium-specific conventions that prevent them from consistently having the same story quality as, say, a book (where the story is the main focus, if not sole).
It's safer to read books for great stories and watch anime for ambiance, visuals, voice acting, music and a lot else... unless you want to be disappointed 75% of the time.

Of course, there are bad books and anime with great story, but shitting on an anime with somewhat flawed story, yet good everything else (like Death Note, imho), doesn't really make sense for me.

Edit: And by the way, this is independant of the "What is psychological anime or not?" discussion. I totally agree that Code Geass is not psychological at all. Death Note until + Show Spoiler +
Dumbledore dies
is psychological enough though as far as I'm concerned.

Bad stories are bad stories, simply put. It doesn't matter what medium it is. Also, I don't see why you think anime is a medium that is constrained to not have good stories. There are plenty of them out there. Of course, there are many more that are bad. But then again, that isn't exclusive to anime either. Most books, most Hollywood movies, etc etc, are bad. Anime isn't somehow different when it comes to quality. If you can tolerate anime with bad stories, or anime that insults your intelligence, good for you, but many people can't.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 20:21 GMT
#55369
On April 12 2013 05:11 Ecael wrote:

Sigh my Tsukiko-chan getting defiled even more now, brb wristing.


Why do I feel like every post I make drives Eca one step closer to suicide? ;_;
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:26:23
April 11 2013 20:23 GMT
#55370
On April 12 2013 04:51 ZenithM wrote:
It's still weird to me that people seek perfectly crafted story telling in anime (as some do in video games). They're bound to constraints and medium-specific conventions that prevent them from consistently having the same story quality as, say, a book (where the story is the main focus, if not sole).
It's safer to read books for great stories and watch anime for ambiance, visuals, voice acting, music and a lot else... unless you want to be disappointed 75% of the time.

Of course, there are bad books and anime with great story, but shitting on an anime with somewhat flawed story, yet good everything else (like Death Note, imho), doesn't really make sense for me.

Well, why wouldn't someone seek perfectly crafted stories in anime? It is an important aspect of anime, so it should be done the best it can. Just like in movies, I want to have a good story. Plots are what MAKE an anime. It just so happens that most people are content with really bad plots. -cough- Harems -cough-. I think it's important that animes have realistic characters, though-provoking stories/plot, and are structured well. Parodies and comedies are obviously exempt, since they are all about making fun of things.

Also, when creating an anime/movie/show with a confusing plot, it is not necessary to make it all clear to the viewers. It will affect your movies success (popularity), however. Movies like Synecdoche New York, Memento, Moon, etc. all have really well thought-out plots. I imagine most of the viewers failed entirely in understanding it. That doesn't mean the movie wasn't a masterpiece or brilliant. Now, with art and movies (and anime), it's much harder to create a "puzzle" that doesn't have some misinterpretation. People call Rothko's pieces brilliant masterpieces, but honestly, they are just pieces of shit. His intention is so poorly shown in his artwork that it cannot possibly be considered "genius". [Incoming artist hipster rage] The movies I mentioned on the other hand, provide enough evidence and use logic to create masterpieces.

Agree completely with Sentenal's post.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 11 2013 20:28 GMT
#55371
I guess the best way to put it, is a well written story needs to have everything a viewer needs to figure it out be presented. It can be subtle, but it all needs to be there. If it isn't all there, that is bad writing. Obviously some anime needs things to be more overt, some can get away with being more subtle.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:46:24
April 11 2013 20:45 GMT
#55372
On April 12 2013 05:04 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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On April 12 2013 00:06 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Think the term grim dark doesn't really encapsulate psychological as well as some people think though. When I think about anime like Serial Experiments Lain or even Texhnolyze, they have their psychological elements, but I don't think Lain was that dark and I even thought Texhnolyze wasn't as dark as some people say it is. I think the beauty of Texhnolyze is that a lot of its messages are up to interpretation and a big part of Texhnolyze is humanity finding ways to survive in pretty paltry conditions, which I find to be pretty uplifting for an otherwise bleak show.

edit: Zeke said it much better than I could have >.>


I don't think that's what Texhnolyze is about at all. Texhnolyze is pretty fucking dark.

Well ok maybe a little bit. But just a bit :<


You think so? I mean, there's a lot of scumbags, death, and despair, but a good portion of the story is dedicated to seeing some of the good....in people?

Okay, no, you're right. It's pretty grim. T___T;
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Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 11 2013 20:56 GMT
#55373
To go with the "Why we won't get a Haruhi S3" from the last page:

If they were to release another one, it would be at the same time as a new LN. They do already have plenty of material, but KyoAni would need permission from the publisher and a whole buch of other people first. Without going to check, last Haruhi LN was 2011 (In Japanese anyway, we're still waiting on 3 to be turned into English), and the film was 2010 or 2011 wasn't it? And since we don't even have a date for the next book(s) yet..

Aya Hirano is still working anyway, so the scandal isn't a reason to stop. KyoAni does keep saying they felt like Disappearance was where they wanted to finish with it, but we all know what money does to people.

I also don't like Code Geass or Death Note because I only watch SoL, harem and cute girls doing cute things. MariaHolic is about as dark as I get
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 11 2013 21:03 GMT
#55374
I agree, of course.

I guess I'm just less exigeant of anime I watch than most regulars in the thread, then. I don't really watch anime to be intellectually challenged (I have enough of that to fill 48 hours a day), so anything that "feels about right" pass my standards :D
I'm also thrown off by the difference between what I know of popular anime opinions (my reference being something like MAL, as I don't have many IRL friends who like anime to talk to) and the consensus about anime's quality in this thread. Sometimes I feel like we agree about great anime, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who enjoys some mainstream shit that is "supposed to be good" by MAL standards. You're not really just complete hipster elitists either (no offense intended), as what you consider great is often probably still great by MAL standards.

When I say "you", I mean the people I see posting a lot in this thread.
When I say "MAL", it's more "popular opinion" than this specific website.

It's all cool though.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:13:59
April 11 2013 21:11 GMT
#55375
If you're watching anime in order to be intellectually challenged you chose the wroooooong medium.

Edit: We wont get Haruhi S3 until Aya Hirano stops doing a bunch of dumb shit, it has nothing to do with the status of the LN (of which there is plenty of material to milk, don't underestimate the anime industry). It's not just her having sex and taking pictures like a porn star that's the problem she has done a bunch of other just out there crap. You might think it's silly but anime profit comes primarily from the hardcore otaku sector, and as of right now they are saying they don't want Hirano.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 11 2013 21:14 GMT
#55376
On April 12 2013 06:11 Kaal wrote:
If you're watching anime in order to be intellectually challenged you chose the wroooooong medium.

more like that says something about your intellect o/
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
April 11 2013 21:14 GMT
#55377
On April 12 2013 06:14 Caller wrote:
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On April 12 2013 06:11 Kaal wrote:
If you're watching anime in order to be intellectually challenged you chose the wroooooong medium.

more like that says something about your intellect o/


I was trying to be nice I get in enough trouble for flame baiting.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#55378
ITT: people with different tastes in entertainment having a yelling match.




Can Assassination Classroom have an overarching story already? Characters are all set up, just give it to me T.T

Also I was pleasantly surprised with the last KNIM chapter. Handled pretty well, good characterization imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:23:17
April 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#55379
I think really you just have to consider what mainstream is and why it is mainstream more than anything. Generally, the more action/fighting an anime is the more mainstream it'll get. All the dragon balls, Naruto, Bleach, etc. Usually they're discussed so much in other places people that don't like them will break off and talk about other anime elsewhere. With that said, mainstream stuff like Haruhi and K-On and <insert kyoani animation here> will usually get talked about on the sites that generally don't talk about the Bleach type stuff just because if you try to talk about anything not like the shows mentioned above people come and ruin the thread. Plus I like arguing over best girl more than who would win in a fight.

I don't really like using MAL as a judge though, since it's one of those places where people think a 7 is average. I like using it to check what something is about though.

Which reminds me, has anyone seen Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai? What's were your thoughts on it?

Edit: Going to have to disagree with you Kaal. I think most people are over that now, especially seeing as she does still get work in anime. If it was as bad as you say then places simply wouldn't give her work. Places do try to line up when they show an animation to something else coming out at the same time. Like I'm sure the Hidamari Sketch OVA is going to air roughly around the release of a new manga book or something else. It's just the way places do it.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:29:55
April 11 2013 21:29 GMT
#55380
On April 12 2013 06:20 Hey Sean. wrote:
I think really you just have to consider what mainstream is and why it is mainstream more than anything. Generally, the more action/fighting an anime is the more mainstream it'll get. All the dragon balls, Naruto, Bleach, etc. Usually they're discussed so much in other places people that don't like them will break off and talk about other anime elsewhere. With that said, mainstream stuff like Haruhi and K-On and <insert kyoani animation here> will usually get talked about on the sites that generally don't talk about the Bleach type stuff just because if you try to talk about anything not like the shows mentioned above people come and ruin the thread. Plus I like arguing over best girl more than who would win in a fight.

I don't really like using MAL as a judge though, since it's one of those places where people think a 7 is average. I like using it to check what something is about though.

Which reminds me, has anyone seen Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai? What's were your thoughts on it?

Edit: Going to have to disagree with you Kaal. I think most people are over that now, especially seeing as she does still get work in anime. If it was as bad as you say then places simply wouldn't give her work. Places do try to line up when they show an animation to something else coming out at the same time. Like I'm sure the Hidamari Sketch OVA is going to air roughly around the release of a new manga book or something else. It's just the way places do it.


? what the...

What is your definition of mainstream?

Also Hirano hasn't had a role in a new anime since KnT S2, which is a long ass time for a VA.

>otaku stop being otaku

Yeah no.
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