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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
April 11 2013 15:02 GMT
#55341
i like how characters with depth gets their own genre called "psychological"

tells you a lot about this industry huh
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:09:35
April 11 2013 15:06 GMT
#55342
Think the term grim dark doesn't really encapsulate psychological as well as some people think though. When I think about anime like Serial Experiments Lain or even Texhnolyze, they have their psychological elements, but I don't think Lain was that dark and I even thought Texhnolyze wasn't as dark as some people say it is. I think the beauty of Texhnolyze is that a lot of its messages are up to interpretation and a big part of Texhnolyze is humanity finding ways to survive in pretty paltry conditions, which I find to be pretty uplifting for an otherwise bleak show.

edit: Zeke said it much better than I could have >.>
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
April 11 2013 15:13 GMT
#55343
Psychological anime :
Perfect Blue, Paprika (ish), Paranoia Agent, Serial Experiments Lain, Evangelion + EoE (hasn't everyone seen that by now though?). The recommended ones in the img are recommended. I would not recommend Welcome to the NHK, personally, but I suppose psychological fits it? Kaiba and Kuuchuu Buranko are definitely worth a watch despite their animation style. Kino's Journey is not really psychological, but it is 10/10. Lastly, Texhnolyze is another good psych anime. It's sort of like an inferior action version of Lain.

@ragz_gt
What if I told you Madlax was a super deep psychological anime?
Zhasona
Profile Joined March 2011
57 Posts
April 11 2013 15:32 GMT
#55344
On April 11 2013 19:33 Hey Sean. wrote:
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/20130411/index.html
Yamaguchi Noboru has passed away


"If you were to be born again, what would you become?"
"Once more as myself, because I was very fortunate"

My translation skill isn't too good but that's essentially it. Pretty big (and sad) news.


Regardless of how the later volumes of ZnT turned out, it's sad that I would never get any closure from this long series...
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 18:25 GMT
#55345
MJP ep 2:

+ Show Spoiler +
What the hell, putting ads on those is a shame.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1972 Posts
April 11 2013 19:05 GMT
#55346
On April 11 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
I like to marathon endless 8 every summer as a reminder that we will never get a season 3

I don't want to start a huge discussion which has probably happened here before, but why will there be no season 3? There's material for it right? Did they just say that was a good end (it was) and leave it at that? Or can they not get the rights to make a season 3?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 11 2013 19:17 GMT
#55347
I love how there is a kind of metagame which is specific to the site and thread you talk "anime" on.
Here it seems that Code Geass and Death Note are the worst series of all time, while some random slice of life's and Sailor Moon are the deepest works ever written by human hands.

Well, the metagame sucks, I like Code Geass and Death Note :D
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
April 11 2013 19:18 GMT
#55348
On April 12 2013 04:17 ZenithM wrote:
I love how there is a kind of metagame which is specific to the site and thread you talk "anime" on.
Here it seems that Code Geass and Death Note are the worst series of all time, while some random slice of life's and Sailor Moon are the deepest works ever written by human hands.

Well, the metagame sucks, I like Code Geass and Death Note :D


I watch slice of life, but it's definitely not because it's well-written by any means -_-
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
April 11 2013 19:22 GMT
#55349
Death Note is a fine anime, but to say that the plot have a few hole 2nd half is an understatement.

Code Geass on the other hand. Well, it got robot on skates!
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 11 2013 19:25 GMT
#55350
On April 12 2013 04:17 ZenithM wrote:
I love how there is a kind of metagame which is specific to the site and thread you talk "anime" on.
Here it seems that Code Geass and Death Note are the worst series of all time, while some random slice of life's and Sailor Moon are the deepest works ever written by human hands.

Well, the metagame sucks, I like Code Geass and Death Note :D


Um.....no.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 19:26 GMT
#55351
On April 12 2013 04:05 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
I like to marathon endless 8 every summer as a reminder that we will never get a season 3

I don't want to start a huge discussion which has probably happened here before, but why will there be no season 3? There's material for it right? Did they just say that was a good end (it was) and leave it at that? Or can they not get the rights to make a season 3?


Possibly because of Haruhi's VA and the scandals around her. Or because KyoAni doesn't want to. Why not both?


On April 12 2013 04:17 ZenithM wrote:
I love how there is a kind of metagame which is specific to the site and thread you talk "anime" on.
Here it seems that Code Geass and Death Note are the worst series of all time, while some random slice of life's and Sailor Moon are the deepest works ever written by human hands.

Well, the metagame sucks, I like Code Geass and Death Note :D


They are entertaining but not good. And yes, taste varies depending on where you look. Take a look at MAL, then look here, then look somewhere else. CG and DN tend to be very popular among people who are rather new to anime.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 19:27:53
April 11 2013 19:26 GMT
#55352
On April 12 2013 04:05 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:59 Hey Sean. wrote:
I like to marathon endless 8 every summer as a reminder that we will never get a season 3

I don't want to start a huge discussion which has probably happened here before, but why will there be no season 3? There's material for it right? Did they just say that was a good end (it was) and leave it at that? Or can they not get the rights to make a season 3?

It doesn't fit kyoani's business model now anyway, unless they repeatedly get killed in sales tamama style they aren't gonna bother animating Haruhi. I am sure kadokawa sneakers would want to get some new adaptations out of their library but I doubt fans would bother if it wasn't kyoani. So yeah~

Besides unless we skip a bunch of stuff and just do Sasaki-san shit will be boring.

"Possibly because of Haruhi's VA and the scandals around her."

Didn't stop the Hyoubu spinoff to get her to do Kaoru lol even if Shaft quickly dumped her from Shinobu.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
April 11 2013 19:32 GMT
#55353
On April 11 2013 23:56 Zeke50100 wrote:
I've only seen a little bit of Death Note, but from that I've garnered that it's not "psychological" at all. There's nothing inherent about psychology that makes "dark" things psychological - the study of mentality can easily be geared towards the positive. The only reason "dark" things are considered "psychological" is that people think "psychopath" plays a large role in psychology, or that a dark subject must be psychological because of some preconceived notion that no other genre explores such "deep, complex" nature.

From what I've watched, Paranoia Agent is a decent psychological show.

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:39 ragz_gt wrote:
Haruhi count as "too old" anime nowadays...


A friend of mine told me Angel Beats qualified as old.

Id like to meet this friend of yours, and have a drink with him. =)

On April 11 2013 22:47 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't mind real Psychological, or rather, I love it just as much as you. But when people call Code Geass, Mirai Nikki, and even second half of Death Note "Psychological", how can you take the term seriously?


Ouch, shots fired.
Skol
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
April 11 2013 19:34 GMT
#55354
On April 12 2013 04:32 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:56 Zeke50100 wrote:
I've only seen a little bit of Death Note, but from that I've garnered that it's not "psychological" at all. There's nothing inherent about psychology that makes "dark" things psychological - the study of mentality can easily be geared towards the positive. The only reason "dark" things are considered "psychological" is that people think "psychopath" plays a large role in psychology, or that a dark subject must be psychological because of some preconceived notion that no other genre explores such "deep, complex" nature.

From what I've watched, Paranoia Agent is a decent psychological show.

On April 11 2013 23:39 ragz_gt wrote:
Haruhi count as "too old" anime nowadays...


A friend of mine told me Angel Beats qualified as old.

Id like to meet this friend of yours, and have a drink with him. =)


I'm pretty sure it was mainly in jest - or, at the very least, they were referring specifically to people who only watch "new new" shows, and not just like "2005+ new" shows.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 19:53:05
April 11 2013 19:41 GMT
#55355
The whole Hirano Aya scandal was pretty dumb, but doubt that would be any reason to stop S3 of SHnY.
Anyway I consider more Maaya to be a good thing. And Hirano was in GuP as the evil radio operator for Saunders. She is not a bad VA, but her songs are rather hard on ears...

It's kind of interesting that she was seen as biggest star of the show at the time, but Minorin ends up being the most successful by far (unless you count Sugita who was already pretty established).

I guess they can do a vol 9/10/11 anime? Suou Kuyou would be cool
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 11 2013 19:50 GMT
#55356
On April 11 2013 22:33 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 21:53 Elem wrote:
On April 11 2013 21:37 ragz_gt wrote:
On April 11 2013 21:29 Elem wrote:
On April 11 2013 20:28 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't know when "psychological" became euphemism for "plot that makes no sense"...


Your own fault for not being able to understand things when they aren't spoonfed, then. ~~


Write yourself into a corner then throw plot device at it until it explodes is not the same as complex and thought-provoking plot. But I guess kids these days don't know the difference.

How about you get the fuck off your horse?

Just because you cannot comprehend something, it doesn't make it bad or nonsensical. To just fling insults randomly to back up what you say is really dumb.

I do agree with all of your recs though, except for Koi Kaze since i haven't watched it.


I agree that it doesn't necessarily make something bad, but it's hard to enjoy something that you don't understand. As for whether that's the viewer or the creator's fault, well, I guess it depends. I tend to blame myself for not understanding and then trying to understand what I just watched with the help of my old friend the internet.

In most cases, I'd blame the creator. It is their job to make an anime understandable for their viewer. So in most cases, if an anime is made that people cannot understand, I can probably dismiss it as bad writing. Although, this isn't a set in stone rule, as sometimes people are just stupid and there isn't much the author can do.

On April 12 2013 04:17 ZenithM wrote:
I love how there is a kind of metagame which is specific to the site and thread you talk "anime" on.
Here it seems that Code Geass and Death Note are the worst series of all time, while some random slice of life's and Sailor Moon are the deepest works ever written by human hands.

Well, the metagame sucks, I like Code Geass and Death Note :D

Lol, Aers isn't the one who picks the "deepest" works. Anyway, I'd say that the most favored anime in this thread would be like LoGH or something.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 19:56:29
April 11 2013 19:51 GMT
#55357
It's still weird to me that people seek perfectly crafted story telling in anime (as some do in video games). They're bound to constraints and medium-specific conventions that prevent them from consistently having the same story quality as, say, a book (where the story is the main focus, if not sole).
It's safer to read books for great stories and watch anime for ambiance, visuals, voice acting, music and a lot else... unless you want to be disappointed 75% of the time.

Of course, there are bad books and anime with great story, but shitting on an anime with somewhat flawed story, yet good everything else (like Death Note, imho), doesn't really make sense for me.

Edit: And by the way, this is independant of the "What is psychological anime or not?" discussion. I totally agree that Code Geass is not psychological at all. Death Note until + Show Spoiler +
Dumbledore dies
is psychological enough though as far as I'm concerned.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 19:55 GMT
#55358
On April 12 2013 04:41 ragz_gt wrote:
The whole Hirano Aya scandal was pretty dumb, but doubt that would be any reason to stop S3 of SHnY.
Anyway I consider more Maaya to be a good thing. And Hirano was in GuP as the evil radio operator for Saunders. She is not a bad VA (no, not that way), but her songs...

I guess they can do a vol 9/10/11 anime? Suou Kuyou would be cool


I felt I needed a better argument than "because KyoAni is evil and that is also the reason we won't get more FMP".

Anyway, not long until Railgun S2, please don't fuck up terrorist Misaka, J.C Staff. If you do that part correctly I'll even allow the second half to be filler and anime original content...

If they do follow the manga "correctly", I wonder if they'll cover the ongoing arc too. Probably not, it's most likely far from finished in the manga anyway.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
April 11 2013 19:57 GMT
#55359
I like how the anticipation for Railgun s2 basically boils down to terrorist/hat Misaka moe.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 20:04:41
April 11 2013 20:04 GMT
#55360
On April 12 2013 00:06 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Think the term grim dark doesn't really encapsulate psychological as well as some people think though. When I think about anime like Serial Experiments Lain or even Texhnolyze, they have their psychological elements, but I don't think Lain was that dark and I even thought Texhnolyze wasn't as dark as some people say it is. I think the beauty of Texhnolyze is that a lot of its messages are up to interpretation and a big part of Texhnolyze is humanity finding ways to survive in pretty paltry conditions, which I find to be pretty uplifting for an otherwise bleak show.

edit: Zeke said it much better than I could have >.>


I don't think that's what Texhnolyze is about at all. Texhnolyze is pretty fucking dark.

Well ok maybe a little bit. But just a bit :<
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