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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:34:54
April 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#55381
There is the question of what is mainstream according to demographics also. I have to admit I started anime with Bleach and Naruto when I was 15, because that was the only stuff broadcasted on TV in France back then, but I can't bear to watch 20 minutes a week of those anymore. I still follow the manga because at least that's dealt with quickly and I have to know how it ends (assuming it does, ololol), but now I wouldn't really consider shounen "mainstream" for me :D

"mainstream" doesn't really matter to me though. It's not that easy to define anyway, it's really context-dependent.
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#55382
Let's say Bleach and Naruto are mainmainstream

Haruhi and Lucky Star are below that

And then it's most other things

Trying to think of a better way to put it.. I guess if you were to go to your average university anime club, usually whatever they'll air is mainstream. So anything like FMA, Cowboy Bebop, Death Note I'd call mainstream, even if they're not shown on TV (I don't know the American channel that airs anime sorry) most people who've seen any small amount of anime will have seen a few of them.

On the other hand, things like Madoka and Nanoha I wouldn't call mainstream because they're only popular amongst people who watch quite a lot of anime, even if those two shows are probably known by everyone in this thread.
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
April 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#55383
On April 12 2013 06:20 Hey Sean. wrote:
I think really you just have to consider what mainstream is and why it is mainstream more than anything. Generally, the more action/fighting an anime is the more mainstream it'll get. All the dragon balls, Naruto, Bleach, etc. Usually they're discussed so much in other places people that don't like them will break off and talk about other anime elsewhere. With that said, mainstream stuff like Haruhi and K-On and <insert kyoani animation here> will usually get talked about on the sites that generally don't talk about the Bleach type stuff just because if you try to talk about anything not like the shows mentioned above people come and ruin the thread. Plus I like arguing over best girl more than who would win in a fight.

I don't really like using MAL as a judge though, since it's one of those places where people think a 7 is average. I like using it to check what something is about though.

Which reminds me, has anyone seen Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai? What's were your thoughts on it?

Edit: Going to have to disagree with you Kaal. I think most people are over that now, especially seeing as she does still get work in anime. If it was as bad as you say then places simply wouldn't give her work. Places do try to line up when they show an animation to something else coming out at the same time. Like I'm sure the Hidamari Sketch OVA is going to air roughly around the release of a new manga book or something else. It's just the way places do it.


But she's NOT getting work. She's pretty much stopped being a voice actor, and gone to do some random Japanese variety shows instead. Her only currently airing show is Hunter x Hunter, and she's just a support character. Fairy Tail is over, and she's not voicing anything this season.

While the Western audience may have forgotten/no longer care about what she does, the Japanese audience probably still do, and they're the ones that buy/support the industry.

Also, PapaKiki was a dumb harem show. The whole "raise 3 kids thing (one of which just wants to be all over him)" was way too unrealistic. Go read/watch Usagi Drop if you want something like that.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:40:25
April 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#55384
On April 12 2013 06:30 ZenithM wrote:
There is the question of what is mainstream according to demographics also. I have to admit I started anime with Bleach and Naruto when I was 15, because that was the only stuff broadcasted on TV in France back then, but I can't bear to watch 20 minutes a week of those anymore. I still follow the manga because at least that's dealt with quickly and I have to know how it ends (assuming it does, ololol), but now I wouldn't really consider shounen "mainstream" for me :D


Shounen is mainstream. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Detective Conan, Toriko, Fairy Tail, UC Gundam, Pokemon these things are main stream. Things just outside the mainstream are Death Note, Gundam that's not UC, Digimon, Sailor Moon and such. Everything else is stuff that nobody but a basement dwelling otaku would have any idea what you're talking about.


Let's say Bleach and Naruto are mainmainstream

Haruhi and Lucky Star are below that

And then it's most other things

Trying to think of a better way to put it.. I guess if you were to go to your average university anime club, usually whatever they'll air is mainstream. So anything like FMA, Cowboy Bebop, Death Note I'd call mainstream, even if they're not shown on TV (I don't know the American channel that airs anime sorry) most people who've seen any small amount of anime will have seen a few of them.

On the other hand, things like Madoka and Nanoha I wouldn't call mainstream because they're only popular amongst people who watch quite a lot of anime, even if those two shows are probably known by everyone in this thread.


Lucky star


Are you serious? Ooook. Well you're completely wrong first of all. It's an anime that's about other anime with a bunch of hentai references combined with moe artstyle. And it aired at 2am.

Madoka, Nanoha, FMA, those are also 2amish shows. Magical girl shows that are made for men tend to be 1-3AM shows.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:45:04
April 11 2013 21:40 GMT
#55385
On April 12 2013 06:29 Kaal wrote:
Also Hirano hasn't had a role in a new anime since KnT S2, which is a long ass time for a VA.


Aya Hirano done a bunch roles, just not big roles (like I said earlier, the radio operator in GuP and stuff like that).

On April 12 2013 06:20 Hey Sean. wrote:
I don't really like using MAL as a judge though, since it's one of those places where people think a 7 is average. I like using it to check what something is about though.


While 7 is not average, it is in fact pretty close to the average of anime you actually watch. Unless you dedicate yourself to watch as many bad shows as good shows (me and kaal have watched 1000+ shows here and even we don't come close).

On April 12 2013 06:37 Kaal wrote:
Shounen is mainstream. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Detective Conan, Toriko, Fairy Tail, UC Gundam, Pokemon these things are main stream. Things just outside the mainstream are Death Note, Gundam that's not UC, Digimon, Sailor Moon and such. Everything else is stuff that nobody but a basement dwelling otaku would have any idea what you're talking about.


Pretty sure Sailor Moon aired prime time
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
April 11 2013 21:45 GMT
#55386
All I know is I used to argue a lot with Aya Hirano fans about whether she was a better singer than Nana or not. Now they're nowhere to be seen. Speaking of Nana,


zzzz need to wait a month for Nana solo version.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
April 11 2013 21:46 GMT
#55387
I'm pretty big Hirano Aya fan, but I think her singing is pure crap. I loved most of her roles though.

Kind of the same way with Minorin but she is a much better singer than Aya (and probably worse VA).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 11 2013 21:46 GMT
#55388
Ragz is getting what I meant to say about her getting work. She IS getting work, it's just not main parts. That's not to say this is because studios hate her and don't want her to get any work.

I guess, about the rating thing, that's probably only because people do tend to finish the things they like. It's not like amazon or something where people WILL rate things badly after using it. I just think it's a bit flawed is all, although it is good to find out what an anime is about.

And sailor moon is definitely mainstream. I'm sure it was dubbed and shown on UK television at one point but I might be wrong. I just know lots of people who've seen at least some sailor moon but no other shows.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:49:46
April 11 2013 21:47 GMT
#55389
On April 12 2013 06:40 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:29 Kaal wrote:
Also Hirano hasn't had a role in a new anime since KnT S2, which is a long ass time for a VA.


Aya Hirano done a bunch roles, just not big roles (like I said earlier, the radio operator in GuP and stuff like that).

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:20 Hey Sean. wrote:
I don't really like using MAL as a judge though, since it's one of those places where people think a 7 is average. I like using it to check what something is about though.


While 7 is not average, it is in fact pretty close to the average of anime you actually watch. Unless you dedicate yourself to watch as many bad shows as good shows (me and kaal have watched 1000+ shows here and even we don't come close).

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:37 Kaal wrote:
Shounen is mainstream. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Detective Conan, Toriko, Fairy Tail, UC Gundam, Pokemon these things are main stream. Things just outside the mainstream are Death Note, Gundam that's not UC, Digimon, Sailor Moon and such. Everything else is stuff that nobody but a basement dwelling otaku would have any idea what you're talking about.


Pretty sure Sailor Moon aired prime time


The first couple did, then it lost it's timeslot I think. We'd have to ask aers. for sure the remake will have the prime time slot.


All of Sailor Moon is not just the original series. It's like Gundam, everyone knows the original series but the other series they'd be like wut?

Ragz is getting what I meant to say about her getting work. She IS getting work, it's just not main parts. That's not to say this is because studios hate her and don't want her to get any work.


No, she's got work from shows that have been airing for the past several years, otherwise she has gotten no work. It's not that the studios hate her, she's a good voice actor. She's just terrible press so they can't cast her.
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
April 11 2013 21:48 GMT
#55390
Cool duet.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 21:52:52
April 11 2013 21:51 GMT
#55391
I guess TM Revolution and Nana do work very well together

Though best duet is still:

+ Show Spoiler +


On April 12 2013 06:47 Kaal wrote:
No, she's got work from shows that have been airing for the past several years, otherwise she has gotten no work. It's not that the studios hate her, she's a good voice actor. She's just terrible press so they can't cast her.


How is GnP been airing for several years O.o
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
April 11 2013 21:55 GMT
#55392
The original Sailor Moon anime was quite well-known in USA. It was aired dubbed on Cartoon Network if I recall. That was quite long ago, so I doubt many (young) people know much about it.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
April 11 2013 21:57 GMT
#55393
On April 12 2013 06:55 Blargh wrote:
The original Sailor Moon anime was quite well-known in USA. It was aired dubbed on Cartoon Network if I recall. That was quite long ago, so I doubt many (young) people know much about it.


Yes the original is popular. But there are 7? different sailor moon series, and many people would have no idea other than the first one, which why I said it was kind of like gundam. Many people would recognize UC/SEED but if you showed them gundam X they'd be like oh it's gundam but...wait whats this?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 11 2013 21:58 GMT
#55394
On April 12 2013 06:55 Blargh wrote:
The original Sailor Moon anime was quite well-known in USA. It was aired dubbed on Cartoon Network if I recall. That was quite long ago, so I doubt many (young) people know much about it.

Hell it even aired dubbed in France. I did catch some eps, but I don't remember much :D
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 11 2013 22:01 GMT
#55395
On April 12 2013 06:58 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 06:55 Blargh wrote:
The original Sailor Moon anime was quite well-known in USA. It was aired dubbed on Cartoon Network if I recall. That was quite long ago, so I doubt many (young) people know much about it.

Hell it even aired dubbed in France. I did catch some eps, but I don't remember much :D


Dubbed into Swedish too. I recall watching some of it but I honestly barely remember anything.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
April 11 2013 22:02 GMT
#55396
It's frigging dubbed everywhere, which in turn result in Togashi being a lazy bum.

So yes. we get half arsed HxH for all these years all because Sailor Moon!
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Hey Sean.
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom196 Posts
April 11 2013 22:04 GMT
#55397
On April 12 2013 06:55 Blargh wrote:
The original Sailor Moon anime was quite well-known in USA. It was aired dubbed on Cartoon Network if I recall. That was quite long ago, so I doubt many (young) people know much about it.

Are you telling me I'm getting old at 20? Please be more gentle ;;

I thought it was dubbed, so guess I was right with that one. I think the spinoffs not being as well known is a given though really, that's just how things are. You could say the Gundam/Sailor Moon franchises are mainstream, but the spinoffs less so. I don't think it really matters in the end though, mainstream doesn't automatically mean bad anyway, it's just a lot of people happen to dislike Bleach/Naruto etc and like to rile themselves up on the internet.

I'm alright with it until someone shows up to school/uni in an orange jumpsuit with a headband on anyway.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 22:04:57
April 11 2013 22:04 GMT
#55398
I remember watching Versailles no Bara (Lady Oscar in French) way before I started "watching anime". It's probably not the kind of stuff I would watch now (I tried recently to rewatch an ep "just to see" and I was like "Wtf is wrong with their eyes?"), but I recall finding it pretty interesting :D

Has anyone else seen that?
I guess, because to my surprise it has a very good mark on MAL, lawl.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 22:07:45
April 11 2013 22:06 GMT
#55399
Versailles no Bara is very popular (in that it's parodied alot) because it's one of the earliest shoujou genre.

I've seen it, feels it's alright but not something I'd recommend.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 11 2013 22:08 GMT
#55400
And it probably made a lot of sense to air that in France.
It felt "relevant" :D
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