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On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia
Find me a DL link and an english patch and I'll give it a spin -_-
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On October 04 2011 05:12 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia Find me a DL link and an english patch and I'll give it a spin -_-
It isn't in english to my knowledge, so IDK why he wants everyone to read it.
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The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia
Someone should finish their blog about Eustia. :o
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On October 04 2011 05:12 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia Find me a DL link and an english patch and I'll give it a spin -_-
I can give you the DL Link but english patch is.... oh well at least the trial is translated
http://erogedownload.com/downloads/trial/aiyoku-no-eustia-trial/
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On October 04 2011 05:21 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia Someone should finish their blog about Eustia. :o
That someone can't, I am still feeling too lazy to wipe his ass for him.
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On October 04 2011 05:19 On_Slaught wrote:
The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love.
I guess you missed Southlight's post on that circling scene earlier. Irritating? Yeah, it was supposed to be. Forced? lol.
You realize that F/Z is a prequel, and that Saber was a girl in FSN too, right? And that originally FSN was a Visual Novel, not an anime, right? And that the MC already has a love interest in this show who isn't Saber, right?
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On October 04 2011 05:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:19 On_Slaught wrote:
The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love. I guess you missed Southlight's post on that circling scene earlier. Irritating? Yeah, it was supposed to be. Forced? lol. You realize that F/Z is a prequel, and that Saber was a girl in FSN too, right? And that originally FSN was a Visual Novel, not an anime, right? And that the MC already has a love interest in this show who isn't Saber, right?
Nah he's spoiling that Einzbern get's NTRed hardcore.
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On October 04 2011 05:22 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:21 MoonBear wrote:On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia Someone should finish their blog about Eustia. :o That someone can't, I am still feeling too lazy to wipe his ass for him.
i fear i can't do the route justice
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Canada4481 Posts
On October 04 2011 05:19 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:12 Latham wrote:On October 04 2011 05:07 Blasterion wrote:On October 04 2011 05:01 Latham wrote:
VNs are great in my opinion because they tell a story in a certain way that cannot be done by anime. VNs aren't as limited by time constraints as anime (season length) and can take their time, pace themselves and the reader. This can make for a stunning story telling, the way the author of the story intended it to go. Visuals and music/sound are also a huge part of the experience.
It feels like you're reading a book, but the characters each have their own voices and feel more alive.
They also have a varying amount of interaction required from the reader. F/SN has a lot of choices for the player to make, which more often than not, result in a dead end. This can be fun in and of itself, to figure out the right sequence to progress with the story further. The dead ends in F/SN aren't meaningless. You get a tiger-stamp and get to see a special scene or dialogue between characters. Collecting is fun.
Such VNs as Ef - a Fairy Tale of the Two, have very few choices, which are quite obvious, limiting the interaction to almost zero.
There are also VNs like Planetarian which require no interaction at all. You just click or press a key and the narrative of the story continues.
Granted there are times when characters fuck, but honestly I just fast forward those scenes. The descriptions become very long and though out, and are usually not worth the read unless you're into erotica novels I guess. They break the feel of the VN for me personally, unless sex is a big part of the novel and it's selling point.
I guess "A drug that makes you dream" has a rather mature plot with a lot of fucking, while a VN like "My girlfriend is the president" has a very weak plot, is a comedy, and can attribute it's popularity to the sex scenes.
Overall I enjoy VNs. They are fun to read with a walkthrough when you're not in the mood for playing your usual games and want something different. Everyone should go read Eustia Find me a DL link and an english patch and I'll give it a spin -_- It isn't in english to my knowledge, so IDK why he wants everyone to read it.
It will be in English in hopefully another 8-12 months  . Hopefully I won't have forgotten about it when that happens.
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On October 04 2011 05:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:19 On_Slaught wrote:
The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love. I guess you missed Southlight's post on that circling scene earlier. Irritating? Yeah, it was supposed to be. Forced? lol. You realize that F/Z is a prequel, and that Saber was a girl in FSN too, right? And that originally FSN was a Visual Novel, not an anime, right? And that the MC already has a love interest in this show who isn't Saber, right?
Why is Arthur a female, regardless of how the series started? What possible reason could there be other than some stupid attempt to get males to like the show more than they would otherwise because it is a hot female in armor rather than some badass like all the other heroes. Maybe it's "edgy" that they can change lore around for one mythic char but keep others much more in line with the original. Why not just make every hero a hot female reinterpretation of the old heroes?
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On October 04 2011 05:40 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 04 2011 05:19 On_Slaught wrote:
The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love. I guess you missed Southlight's post on that circling scene earlier. Irritating? Yeah, it was supposed to be. Forced? lol. You realize that F/Z is a prequel, and that Saber was a girl in FSN too, right? And that originally FSN was a Visual Novel, not an anime, right? And that the MC already has a love interest in this show who isn't Saber, right? Why is Arthur a female, regardless of how the series started? What possible reason could there be other than some stupid attempt to get males to like the show more than they would otherwise because it is a hot female in armor rather than some badass like all the other heroes. Maybe it's "edgy" that they can change lore around for one mythic char but keep others much more in line with the original. Why not just make every hero a hot female reinterpretation of the old heroes?
Because its an interesting twist, having King Arthur turning out to be a woman? Saber doesn't even dress or act like a woman, and was raised as a man. According to Type-Moon stuff, Saber was raised as a man, and hid the fact that she was a woman. If you think it is all about sex appeal, then you are crazy. Shows like Ikkitousen are about sex appeal, when they do indeed change almost every hero into a hot female incarnation. FSN doesn't do that. If Saber being female was just for the sex appeal, you would expect her to be drawn and protrayed as a slut, when that is very far from the truth.
To add onto this, one thing that FSN did alot differently than F/Z, is that it kept the Servant's identities a secret for most of the story. The identities of people like Saber and Archer were a mystery for most of their respective routes, and were revealed later on as part of a twist/revelation. In FSN, just coming out and saying who your Servant's real identity was almost unheard of. The only time when a Servant's identity was just openly revealed was Berserker, and thats because Ilya was really confident/arrogant in his abilities.
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On October 04 2011 05:40 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 04 2011 05:19 On_Slaught wrote:
The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love. I guess you missed Southlight's post on that circling scene earlier. Irritating? Yeah, it was supposed to be. Forced? lol. You realize that F/Z is a prequel, and that Saber was a girl in FSN too, right? And that originally FSN was a Visual Novel, not an anime, right? And that the MC already has a love interest in this show who isn't Saber, right? Why is Arthur a female, regardless of how the series started? What possible reason could there be other than some stupid attempt to get males to like the show more than they would otherwise because it is a hot female in armor rather than some badass like all the other heroes. Maybe it's "edgy" that they can change lore around for one mythic char but keep others much more in line with the original. Why not just make every hero a hot female reinterpretation of the old heroes?
Arthur is a female because of Saber's sex appeal ? Really ? Saber is what you consider sex appeal in a show ?
Theres a ton of stuff out there for guys to fawn over these days. Saber is certainly not very high up on that list.
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17:20 ecael it'd honestly be a lie to say that there wasn't the idea of fan appeal in Saber being made female
17:21 ecael but the question to me is like
17:21 ecael does that actually do anything bad
17:21 ecael ikki's changing them to female was only annoying when all that people do with that was fan service
17:21 Sentenal fan appeal making saber female is a reason, but my point is that i dont think it is the ONLY reason
17:21 ecael yeah
17:22 gAOxI i feel like its more of a bonus
17:22 gAOxI then a reason
17:22 gAOxI ?
17:22 ecael I am more saying that talking about the reason is kinda pointless
17:22 ecael they wanted a twist
17:22 ecael also wanted appeal
17:22 Sentenal i think this on_slaught guy is just complaining for the sake of it
17:22 *** blahz0r quit ()
17:22 ecael so sex change, then actually use that to strengthen character
17:22 Sentenal he clearly hasnt read/watched FSN anyway
17:22 ecael nah he went to one of those arthurian camps as a child
17:23 ecael saber shattered his childhood dreams
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On October 04 2011 06:11 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:40 On_Slaught wrote:On October 04 2011 05:23 Sentenal wrote:On October 04 2011 05:19 On_Slaught wrote:
The scene where the two guys walk around the priest while talking made me cringe. It was so forced i felt bad for the animators.
However as long as the action is something like the previous installment then it should be worth watching.
I still hate how they made Arthur a female just b/c it is an anime and they need sex appeal/someone for the male to love. I guess you missed Southlight's post on that circling scene earlier. Irritating? Yeah, it was supposed to be. Forced? lol. You realize that F/Z is a prequel, and that Saber was a girl in FSN too, right? And that originally FSN was a Visual Novel, not an anime, right? And that the MC already has a love interest in this show who isn't Saber, right? Why is Arthur a female, regardless of how the series started? What possible reason could there be other than some stupid attempt to get males to like the show more than they would otherwise because it is a hot female in armor rather than some badass like all the other heroes. Maybe it's "edgy" that they can change lore around for one mythic char but keep others much more in line with the original. Why not just make every hero a hot female reinterpretation of the old heroes? Arthur is a female because of Saber's sex appeal ? Really ? Saber is what you consider sex appeal in a show ? Theres a ton of stuff out there for guys to fawn over these days. Saber is certainly not very high up on that list.
I seriously think that all of you are over thinking this. I guess this is what happens when you watch too much anime.
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Most appealing part of Saber is probably Kawasumi Ayako, did I mention I loved the Banner/Crest series?
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They made a female Arthur so they can have eroge scenes. That's the only reason.
Sad truth is most VNs are forcing eroge scenes into the stories and that's the only way they can boost sells and survive.
That said, there are still good VNs that not relied on that as Clannad ect. And some VNs have good storyline and worth reading even if you skip all those eroge scences. However, the fact isn't changed as majority of the VNs are relying on those 18X stuff.
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Reminds me of the Theory that Uesugi Kenshin was really female in history
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On October 04 2011 06:36 mofuli wrote:
They made a female Arthur so they can have eroge scenes. That's the only reason.
Even with Saber's original design, you would still have had eroge scenes. Apparently you missed the post where originally Saber was a guy, and Shirou was a girl? You would have had sex scenes regardless of their setup.
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