EPTOverall, I think Clannad is pretty good.
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Overall, I think Clannad is pretty good. | ||
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Kaialynn
United States242 Posts
On September 27 2009 04:26 PH wrote: I don't know... Overall, I think Clannad is pretty good. Episode 4 and I'm lovin' it so far. It's very...interesting haha. | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
EchOne: True, but that doesn't translate into profitability usually, which is what many shows look for. Usually though, animes like that are generally the ones that make you think, and those are also stand alone, meaning they aren't based off of anything. I consider those animes superior just because it's the director's vision that guides the show along rather than a director's fandom or just need for money. There are several exceptions to that, but that mostly holds true for me. As for the argument on realism, realistic characters are good only when they're matched up with a show that just isn't mainstream or that tries to pass a message - a show that doesn't exist purely to earn profits. Dramas and comedies both have their own type of characters. The problem with realistic characters in romance dramas is that the main character ultimately has to have some sort of flaw that causes trouble in the first place, so there is an extent to which realistic characters can be portrayed in such shows. Another point that I feel holds true for realism in anime is that characters are just a small part of any plot. If non-realistic characters work best for the story that the anime tries to tell, then the characters work. But there's a limit to how stupid/thick the characters can be. Cliches that happen in animes sometimes elicit laughs from me just because of the unbelievability. One scene that is like that in Clannad is probably the scene where Nagisa waits for Tomoya out in the rain on the basketball court. I think that there's a limit to human stupidity, and that scene, no matter how dramatic it was, was so over the top that it ended up being a relatively funny scene. Edit: Lol PH. Avoiding a big bullet. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On September 27 2009 03:01 triangle wrote: The characters in Air aren't? They are just as much, I didn't say I liked Air because of its realistic characters. Yeah, but how many of those are there? I took a list of all the animes I've watched, and came up with 6/30 that had even CLOSE to "realistic characters". TV shows don't have realistic characters. Realistic characters are often less interesting to watch. Perhaps they are less interesting if you want a cheap laugh or a quick dose of entertainment (which it seems like the majority in here prefer though, so I'm not sure why I'm arguing). But realistic or at least believable characters usually carry the story better and you have something to relate to. Mystlord also explained this more in-depth. ...are you kidding? I think Itou Makoto would like to have a word with you, but regardless, HUH? He isn't that unsympathetic, and certainly not that unlikable. Don't you think that all the male protagonists in the Key VN's are a bit too similar? It's even the same in Haruhi. They don't have any real traits (because they're basically made for most young males to identify themselves with). ?.?.? When was that? He beat the hell out of that fox girl (Makoto?) in one of the earlier episodes when she dropped the kitten. ...yes it does. Okay it does, but it's slightly less obvious than in the others. My comparison was quite bad, I can't specify very well why I think Air is better. Maybe it's just the atmosphere. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
Also I agree on the truth of business demanding the most marketable products. I'm grateful for exceptional works and understand that they won't abound. Still, I do get taken aback when mass market works are touted as exceptional, but that's just a consequence of preferences. In the end I have to admit that popular, successful products must be doing something right. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On September 27 2009 05:43 EchOne wrote: Mystlord I totally feel you on unbelievability turning into humor. Inadvertent humor is always a pleasant surprise. Also I agree on the truth of business demanding the most marketable products. I'm grateful for exceptional works and understand that they won't abound. Still, I do get taken aback when mass market works are touted as exceptional, but that's just a consequence of preferences. In the end I have to admit that popular, successful products must be doing something right. But it wasn't a omg that's so funny kind of funny. It was a "lol that's so unbelievable..." kind of funny. Not the right mood if someone almost died. | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On September 27 2009 05:28 Shauni wrote: Don't you think that all the male protagonists in the Key VN's are a bit too similar? It's even the same in Haruhi. They don't have any real traits (because they're basically made for most young males to identify themselves with). Wait, I'm confused. Because young males can identify with them, they're unrealistic? Or are they too realistic and therefore boring? Which is it? | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
Perhaps they are less interesting if you want a cheap laugh or a quick dose of entertainment (which it seems like the majority in here prefer though, so I'm not sure why I'm arguing). But realistic or at least believable characters usually carry the story better and you have something to relate to. Mystlord also explained this more in-depth. Try not to phrase your arguments in such a way as to belittle others? Well, we are all at fault with something like that so I guess I am not one to talk. What Mystlord said I addressed above, it is an issue only because people are telling themselves that it should be an issue. That makes a fine line of argument when you are critically analyzing it, but it shouldn't hamper enjoyment. The majority of the posts up to this point are simply describing that they enjoyed it rather than trying to go into the details and reasoning behind that enjoyment, after all. Honestly the issue here pervades every area in the field of entertainment, I once had a friend describe every romance novel in the last century to sport male protagonists that are either some derivative of Mr. Darcy of Pride and Prejudice or Mr. Rochester of Jane Eyre, the scary thing is that it is true to an extent. Popular characters are popular for a reason. I think I suggested once in this thread that I really only truly enjoy characters that are either so human that they are borderline boring or so badass that realism doesn't have a thing on them, think of it as a standard distribution of character types, perhaps? In all, meh, gimme my 3 episodes of bakemonogatari online so I can call this season over. In the meantime I should just watch 12 on repeat. On September 27 2009 07:32 Nylan wrote: Wait, I'm confused. Because young males can identify with them, they're unrealistic? Or are they too realistic and therefore boring? Which is it? They are not made to be detailed or unique, they are after a fashion, but after we apply surgeries to remove as much of the things about them that would make them hard to identify to. Romance visual novels aren't too interesting if you are reading it as a bystander, it is only interesting if you can cast yourself in the character's place. That's what Shauni is saying, all of them fit that category. Fortunately or unfortunately, it sells. I personally have no issues with it, what the heck, empathy is important. | ||
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
Clannad was such a tearjerker for me. Fuko and Nagisa are both totally awesome, but the anime made me so emo (actually cried) at times that I can't bear to watch Kanon or Air since I expect they will be similar. | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
He beat the hell out of that fox girl (Makoto?) in one of the earlier episodes when she dropped the kitten. No he didn't... he never touches her...Watch the scene again :p but realistic or at least believable characters usually carry the story better and you have something to relate to. I'm not sure if that's really true... Example: Reki from Haibane Renmei is a realistic complex character who reacts in realistic ways to her situation. But I've never been in her situation since it's a fantastical situation, so I can't relate. I'm not sure realistic characters in crazy fantasy situations are "relatable" As for "carrying the story", look at another realistic character, Ichise from Texhnolyze. He may be realistic but he practically never talks or does much (iirc, he doesn't say a single word for the 1st 3 episodes, and he's the MAIN CHARACTER). Certainly Kamina does a "better" job of carrying a story, even if his character is ridiculous. Perhaps they are less interesting if you want a cheap laugh or a quick dose of entertainment Is Clannad either of those? I'm not sure that "realistic characters" are necessary for a show to elevate beyond those criteria. Evangelion for example, has very unrealistic characters. How many girls like Rei do you see wandering around? Or Misato? But the characters work because you suspend your "wtf kind of a girl is that" reaction and focus on the merits of the show. | ||
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Mori600
Japan311 Posts
Akio is yelling at Nagisa to give it her best when she is on stage crying. But Clannad is really entertaining and kept up for over 24 hours in one incident. What is nice about the anime is that it goes past the part where the protagonist hooks up with the girl. And it focuses heavily family which was a breath of fresh air from all those high school dramas. Also, you may not want to watch After Story if you hate a depressing story. My mother told me to skip the part where + Show Spoiler + Nagisa died. If you really enjoyed shows like Shuffle! or Meet the Spartans, then forget Clannad. You will not find it funny at all. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 27 2009 08:18 Hold-Lurker wrote: Bakemonogatari is amazing, as a few people have said. Ep 12 is *soooo* good. Any recommendations for something similar? It's so unlike anything I've seen so far for anime. Clannad was such a tearjerker for me. Fuko and Nagisa are both totally awesome, but the anime made me so emo (actually cried) at times that I can't bear to watch Kanon or Air since I expect they will be similar. Try xxxHolic, though nothing is really similar to Bake, the author wrote the original in a pretty peculiar fashion. EDIT - How can you skip that scene? Best thing in the whole season. (Yeah I know, one of the few very people here who has that kind of opinion about that character) | ||
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LonGGone
121 Posts
On September 26 2009 13:40 Heen wrote: Can I get some recommendations on animated movies? They're easier to download and higher quality  I'm mainly looking for action (read: samurai swords)/fantasy but I'll stay open to others.I remember I was going to download a piece that goes along the lines of 'X millimeters per hour?' but I forgot. I need some help on that too. Movies: Wonderful Days, Tekkon Kinkreet, Sword of the Stranger, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Highlander, Hajime no Ippo: Champion Road(recommend watchin the series first). Grappler Baki(dont really need to see the series first), Ghost in the Shell and Ghost in the Shell 2, Armitage III(4 episode OVA), Armitage III the Movie - Poly Matrix, Armitage III Dual Matrix, Blood the Last Vampire, Appleseed, Laputa - Castle in the Sky, Metropolis, Ninja Scroll, Paprika, Perfect Blue, The Sky Crawlers, The Fist of the North Star OVAs: Shin Kyuseishu Densetsu Hokuto no Ken: Kenshiro Densetsu, Shin Kyuseishu Densetsu Raoh Gaiden: Gekito Hen, Shin Kyuseishu Densetsu Hokuto no Ken: Yuria Den, Spirited Away, The Boy Who Saw The Wind, The Voices of a Distant Stars, Brave Story, Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heavens Door, Howl's Moving Castle, and Hajime no Ippo Mashiba vs Kimura OVA. I tried staying away from the OVAs as much as possible and just mention some good movies, but decided to give u a few anyways. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On September 27 2009 08:37 triangle wrote: As for "carrying the story", look at another realistic character, Ichise from Texhnolyze. He may be realistic but he practically never talks or does much (iirc, he doesn't say a single word for the 1st 3 episodes, and he's the MAIN CHARACTER). Certainly Kamina does a "better" job of carrying a story, even if his character is ridiculous. I couldn't disagree more. Especially with your examples. Texhnolyze carries its story in an excellent way. You do not need ANY dialogue to 'carry a story'. Also, when I'm talking about realistic, I suppose believable might be a better word. They don't need to have any correlation with characters from the real world. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
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Shauni
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 ... I think we went over this before, but the masses seem to enjoy shows with a focus on entertainment and easily likable characters while I personally want something more than that to appreciate it. The most popular shows are usually not unique or thought-provoking, but rather the ones easier to watch. The majority is always right? Yes, unfortunately most animation studios won't make unique shows anymore due to the risk of them failing economically, the Japanese audience doesn't seem to care as much about this as the western however. They just proceed to make love to their weekly generic moeshow no.535 without any regrets. Anime in general has an emphasis on characters and not story, while this doesn't have to be a disadvantage it is when characters are stereotyped and made over and over again with the fans in mind. On September 27 2009 07:32 Nylan wrote: Wait, I'm confused. Because young males can identify with them, they're unrealistic? Or are they too realistic and therefore boring? Which is it? This comment wasn't due to them being realistic or unrealistic (it is highly subjective to judge that anyway), it was more to display my disgust for the calculation of the target audience while building the characters. This could be said about most harem-styled shows, it just feels as if I'm being tricked into enjoying them. | ||
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LonGGone
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
Haha, but if you don't like series being predictable, then obviously they're not your cup of tea or whatnot :x (I tried to dodge the majority of the somewhat deep discussion involving what makes an anime good, just because it's entirely up to taste, and I don't feel that I could make a meaningful argument one way or another. [aka I suck at writing/talking.] If you like something, then watch it ~ If I'm asked why I like something, does there need to be a reason?) (On another note, started watching CANAAN. Not particularly impressed after the first episode, but whatever, I'll still go through it. The animation is nice, but... that's the only redeeming factor atm?) (edit - yeah, not necessarily recommended. If you like the first episode, you'll probably like it though, so don't take this as some crazy de-recommendation.) | ||
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