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Marines are just police. Sure some police are scumbags, but without them our society would not function at all.
In order to get away from all of this fighting, let's talk about cliques and friendships in the Straw Hat crew. I think the best one is Ussop, Luffy and Chopper. However, the funniest interactions usually happen between Chopper and Brooke because their personalities play off of each other. Franky and Robin seem to have this background rapport where they always save each other and have each other's backs. Sanji seems like a bit of a loner, only focusing on women who aren't too friendly towards him  . As far as Luffy's best friend goes, I think it's Ussop because Luffy seems to mimic him a lot. They also did have that fight on Water 7 which only best friends would have. Zoro gets along with everyone but I think he's secretly racist and prefers the humans of the crew. And finally, Robin and Nami have their girl power duo which doesn't seem as much of a bond as it is a relationship out of necessity since they're the only two girls on the ship.
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On September 24 2013 07:25 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
that only shows that the top is completely corupt im pretty sure fleet admiral was not decided based on a vote where every marine got to take part
I dont see how corruption factors in. It was a choice between two ideologies, and apparently most of he marines (lets assume for the sake of argument that only those with vice admiral rank or higher could vote) favoured absolute justice.
its also funny how you spent like half a page defending the marines as good guys, but now you are willing to call their head office Corrupt.
on the subject of Smoker, thought he might not be evil, he is far from a hero. i have never seen him do anything to help better the society he lives other than chasing a rubberman that has done nothing wrong except defeating a bunch of opressive villains. He was even in alabasta and witnessed the fucked up situation, yet he doesnt seem to care or reflect on the fact that luffy saved the country by defeating crocodile. The guy is pretty damn stupid. after everything he has witnessed his goal in life is still to put the strawhats in impel down. Was satisfying to see him get it from Doflamingo. he had it coming for a long time.
I might add Kuzan to the "People who could potentially become true heroes in the end". As long as he leaves Robin alone.
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On September 24 2013 07:37 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:30 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that we have seen more moreal justice than absolute justice has nothing to do with which one is actually the most influencial within the Marines. It is true that we have seen more moral justice from important characters, but it is also true that most of the noteworthy Marines have been friendly towards Luffy and his crew. Smoker, Garp, Coby and even Aokiji have atleast not been hostile towards Luffy. So by your logic we can assume that the Marines and WG overall has a friendly/neutral attitude towards Luffy and his crew, simply because that is how most Marines so far has been portrayed. i wouldnt say right this second (anti-pirate bias and propaganda and uch) but i think majority of marines, given enough time spent with luffy, would be friendly/neutral towards him
It doesnt matter what they think of luffy, or pirates. Its about them being the militant enforcers and defenders of a twisted opressive dystopia.
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On September 24 2013 07:43 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:25 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
that only shows that the top is completely corupt im pretty sure fleet admiral was not decided based on a vote where every marine got to take part I dont see how corruption factors in. It was a choice between two ideologies, and apparently most of he marines (lets assume for the sake of argument that only those with vice admiral rank or higher could vote) favoured absolute justice. its also funny how you spent like half a page defending the marines as good guys, but now you are willing to call their head office Corrupt. on the subject of Smoker, thought he might not be evil, he is far from a hero. i have never seen him do anything to help better the society he lives other than chasing a rubberman that has done nothing wrong except defeating a bunch of opressive villains. He was even in alabasta and witnessed the fucked up situation, yet he doesnt seem to care or reflect on the fact that luffy saved the country by defeating crocodile. The guy is pretty damn stupid. after everything he has witnessed his goal in life is still to put the strawhats in impel down. Was satisfying to see him get it from Doflamingo. he had it coming for a long time. I might add Kuzan to the "People who could potentially become true heroes in the end". As long as he leaves Robin alone.
you actually think the marines got a vote? the dudes at the top decided who gets to be fleet admiral
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On September 24 2013 07:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:43 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:25 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
that only shows that the top is completely corupt im pretty sure fleet admiral was not decided based on a vote where every marine got to take part I dont see how corruption factors in. It was a choice between two ideologies, and apparently most of he marines (lets assume for the sake of argument that only those with vice admiral rank or higher could vote) favoured absolute justice. its also funny how you spent like half a page defending the marines as good guys, but now you are willing to call their head office Corrupt. on the subject of Smoker, thought he might not be evil, he is far from a hero. i have never seen him do anything to help better the society he lives other than chasing a rubberman that has done nothing wrong except defeating a bunch of opressive villains. He was even in alabasta and witnessed the fucked up situation, yet he doesnt seem to care or reflect on the fact that luffy saved the country by defeating crocodile. The guy is pretty damn stupid. after everything he has witnessed his goal in life is still to put the strawhats in impel down. Was satisfying to see him get it from Doflamingo. he had it coming for a long time. I might add Kuzan to the "People who could potentially become true heroes in the end". As long as he leaves Robin alone. you actually think the marines got a vote? the dudes at the top decided who gets to be fleet admiral
Sure, lets go with that. does that make things any better? does that change the fact that their purpose is to keep and maintain the world built to serve only the celestial dragons oppressive, hedonistic lifestyle?
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On September 24 2013 08:04 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:55 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:43 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:25 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
that only shows that the top is completely corupt im pretty sure fleet admiral was not decided based on a vote where every marine got to take part I dont see how corruption factors in. It was a choice between two ideologies, and apparently most of he marines (lets assume for the sake of argument that only those with vice admiral rank or higher could vote) favoured absolute justice. its also funny how you spent like half a page defending the marines as good guys, but now you are willing to call their head office Corrupt. on the subject of Smoker, thought he might not be evil, he is far from a hero. i have never seen him do anything to help better the society he lives other than chasing a rubberman that has done nothing wrong except defeating a bunch of opressive villains. He was even in alabasta and witnessed the fucked up situation, yet he doesnt seem to care or reflect on the fact that luffy saved the country by defeating crocodile. The guy is pretty damn stupid. after everything he has witnessed his goal in life is still to put the strawhats in impel down. Was satisfying to see him get it from Doflamingo. he had it coming for a long time. I might add Kuzan to the "People who could potentially become true heroes in the end". As long as he leaves Robin alone. you actually think the marines got a vote? the dudes at the top decided who gets to be fleet admiral Sure, lets go with that. does that make things any better? does that change the fact that their purpose is to keep and maintain the world built to serve only the celestial dragons oppressive, hedonistic lifestyle?
only a very small minority would actually be affected by the tenryuubito outside the grand line theyve probably never even seen one
yes the tenryuubito are assholes, but that doesnt make every marine an asshole who supports them
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Look... if there was a police that was all friends with a criminal (Smoker and Strawhats) we'd be out of our minds and now because we love Luffy the criminal doesn't mean corruptCop/goodguySmoker isn't on the same side.
I know Luffy hasn't done any thing bad but Pirates in general do steal and kill people. And Nami steals. So Pirates are bad guys actually and Marines are there to protect. Ofc Tenryo guys are bad and WG do support them but it's still only some of the topdogs.
edit* messy post, watching League Worlds.
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On September 24 2013 08:56 Sableyeah wrote:
Look... if there was a police that was all friends with a criminal (Smoker and Strawhats) we'd be out of our minds and now because we love Luffy the criminal doesn't mean corruptCop/goodguySmoker is on the same side.
I know Luffy hasn't done any thing bad but Pirates in general do steal and kill people. And Nami steals. Just because Heisenberg doesn't kill doesn't make his methcooking justifiable.
what has Luffy actually done that hurts people though? all hes done is travel to island after island accidently getting involved and then solving peoples problems
does he really count as a pirate at this point?
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On September 24 2013 09:00 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:56 Sableyeah wrote:
Look... if there was a police that was all friends with a criminal (Smoker and Strawhats) we'd be out of our minds and now because we love Luffy the criminal doesn't mean corruptCop/goodguySmoker is on the same side.
I know Luffy hasn't done any thing bad but Pirates in general do steal and kill people. And Nami steals. Just because Heisenberg doesn't kill doesn't make his methcooking justifiable. what has Luffy actually done that hurts people though? all hes done is travel to island after island accidently getting involved and then solving peoples problems does he really count as a pirate at this point?
Yo bro, he's gonna be Pirate King.
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On September 24 2013 09:00 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:56 Sableyeah wrote:
Look... if there was a police that was all friends with a criminal (Smoker and Strawhats) we'd be out of our minds and now because we love Luffy the criminal doesn't mean corruptCop/goodguySmoker is on the same side.
I know Luffy hasn't done any thing bad but Pirates in general do steal and kill people. And Nami steals. Just because Heisenberg doesn't kill doesn't make his methcooking justifiable. what has Luffy actually done that hurts people though? all hes done is travel to island after island accidently getting involved and then solving peoples problems does he really count as a pirate at this point?
yes, because they steal things and dont follow the law... not to talk about saving robin from cp9 and trying to save Ace
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On September 24 2013 08:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:04 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:55 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:43 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:25 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:20 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
that only shows that the top is completely corupt im pretty sure fleet admiral was not decided based on a vote where every marine got to take part I dont see how corruption factors in. It was a choice between two ideologies, and apparently most of he marines (lets assume for the sake of argument that only those with vice admiral rank or higher could vote) favoured absolute justice. its also funny how you spent like half a page defending the marines as good guys, but now you are willing to call their head office Corrupt. on the subject of Smoker, thought he might not be evil, he is far from a hero. i have never seen him do anything to help better the society he lives other than chasing a rubberman that has done nothing wrong except defeating a bunch of opressive villains. He was even in alabasta and witnessed the fucked up situation, yet he doesnt seem to care or reflect on the fact that luffy saved the country by defeating crocodile. The guy is pretty damn stupid. after everything he has witnessed his goal in life is still to put the strawhats in impel down. Was satisfying to see him get it from Doflamingo. he had it coming for a long time. I might add Kuzan to the "People who could potentially become true heroes in the end". As long as he leaves Robin alone. you actually think the marines got a vote? the dudes at the top decided who gets to be fleet admiral Sure, lets go with that. does that make things any better? does that change the fact that their purpose is to keep and maintain the world built to serve only the celestial dragons oppressive, hedonistic lifestyle? only a very small minority would actually be affected by the tenryuubito outside the grand line theyve probably never even seen one yes the tenryuubito are assholes, but that doesnt make every marine an asshole who supports them
Man think about it for a second. Everyone is affected by the Gorosei and the Celestial Dragons. Its not about Them going around and activley opressing people on the street. its about the fact that they rule the world but only care about themselves. This is about politics. Did you read the Goa Kingdom chapters? the structure that the tenryuubito created has corrupted and influenced the entire world. Most of the population is poor and has little options. The Nobles are born into luxury. There is no progression in a society that only cares about maintaining the privelages of the upper classes.
What if the Marines arrested the tenryuubito, took their possessions and basicly raided mareijos for money. Then elected a new, Democratic leader and used the money from the celestial dragons to build a better world for the people?
A Marine who opposes this idea is an asshole. A Marine who supports the tenryuubito supports fascism. What is your personal opinion on fascists? and that goes for everyone, not just marines. As long as we have the Tenryuubito there can never be democracy, as people would vote to take away their privelages so therefor they would never allow a system where they arent in charge
Have you even considered the fact that changing the world in one piece might actually be possible? You know there is this faction called the Revolutionaries that will probably come to play in the final sagas right? Dragon wants to build a world with less poverty and no oppressive tenryuubitos. Doesnt that sound good to you? Or would you Rather have things as they are.
Claiming only a very few people are affected by the celestial dragons is like claiming only those who live in washington DC close to the white House are affected by the american election. Evil leaders need to be replaced.
You seem to have a very narrow view of things, lacking interest in the big picture.
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Man think about it for a second. Everyone is affected by the Gorosei and the Celestial Dragons. Its not about Them going around and activley opressing people on the street. its about the fact that they rule the world but only care about themselves. This is about politics. Did you read the Goa Kingdom chapters? the structure that the tenryuubito created has corrupted and influenced the entire world. Most of the population is poor and has little options. The Nobles are born into luxury. There is no progression in a society that only cares about maintaining the privelages of the upper classes.
sounds like every civilized society ever
What if the Marines arrested the tenryuubito, took their possessions and basicly raided mareijos for money. Then elected a new, Democratic leader and used the money from the celestial dragons to build a better world for the people?
A Marine who opposes this idea is an asshole. A Marine who supports the tenryuubito supports fascism. What is your personal opinion on fascists? and that goes for everyone, not just marines. As long as we have the Tenryuubito there can never be democracy, as people would vote to take away their privelages so therefor they would never allow a system where they arent in charge
biggest question ever
presumably enough high ranking marines are on the Tenryuubitos side that they can squash any idea of revelolution in the rank and file
i mean the admirals are practicaly demi-gods would be hard for normal marines to get anywhere
it could also be sort of brainwashing, heavily "educate" marines on how amazing the Tenryuubitos are and how what there doing is jsut a small price to pay for what they've done combine that with ruthlessly crushing insubordination and traitorous actions and most marines would be too scared to do anything
Have you even considered the fact that changing the world in one piece might actually be possible? You know there is this faction called the Revolutionaries that will probably come to play in the final sagas right? Dragon wants to build a world with less poverty and no oppressive tenryuubitos. Doesnt that sound good to you? Or would you Rather have things as they are.
Claiming only a very few people are affected by the celestial dragons is like claiming only those who live in washington DC close to the white House are affected by the american election. Evil leaders need to be replaced.
You seem to have a very narrow view of things, lacking interest in the big picture.
no matter how well a government is constructed there will never be eternal equality eventually there will be a top class of people who have more and a bottom class who have less thats jsut how it works
but in general, for majority of the population they are not affected by the Tenryuubito
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This is fun to read.
2 guys argueing for 4 pages now and 2 warnings have alrdy gone out over it.
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Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
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On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote:
Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
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Forikorder vs sc2holar rematch of the century.
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On September 24 2013 09:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote:
Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them. like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
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On September 24 2013 09:33 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:28 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote:
Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them. like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
aside from the Gao kingdom and Alabasta (because of croc) every place Luffy has been everyone seems pretty happy
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On September 24 2013 09:35 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:33 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 09:28 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote:
Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them. like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference. Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king) and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
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On September 24 2013 09:42 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 09:35 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 09:33 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 09:28 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote:
Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them. like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference. Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king) and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles. what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
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