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On September 24 2013 08:56 Sableyeah wrote: Look... if there was a police that was all friends with a criminal (Smoker and Strawhats) we'd be out of our minds and now because we love Luffy the criminal doesn't mean corruptCop/goodguySmoker is on the same side.
I know Luffy hasn't done any thing bad but Pirates in general do steal and kill people. And Nami steals. Just because Heisenberg doesn't kill doesn't make his methcooking justifiable.
what has Luffy actually done that hurts people though? all hes done is travel to island after island accidently getting involved and then solving peoples problems
On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote: Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote: Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
then what was the point of this meeting? why could Wapol refuse to help catch Dragon? why was Dalton saying that war could break out easily if there was a fight? why has the country of Wano been allowed independance?
none of that should be possible if the kingdoms are jsut states not seperate countries
On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote: Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
then what was the point of this meeting? why could Wapol refuse to help catch Dragon? why was Dalton saying that war could break out easily if there was a fight? why has the country of Wano been allowed independance?
none of that should be possible if the kingdoms are jsut states not seperate countries
Because Cobra was the one bringing up Dragon and Wapol is not forced to obey him as they have the same "rank" (monarch). Cobra has no authority in this meeting.
Dalton might be right, and if two WG-connected nations go to war, whoever wins and earns another nation will still be attending the reviere (supposedly) and both nations remains WG territory so i guess they dont care.
On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote: Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
then what was the point of this meeting? why could Wapol refuse to help catch Dragon? why was Dalton saying that war could break out easily if there was a fight? why has the country of Wano been allowed independance?
none of that should be possible if the kingdoms are jsut states not seperate countries
Because Cobra was the one bringing up Dragon and Wapol is not forced to obey him as they have the same "rank" (monarch). Cobra has no authority in this meeting.
Dalton might be right, and if two WG-connected nations go to war, whoever wins and earns another nation will still be attending the reviere (supposedly) and both nations remains WG territory so i guess they dont care.
look closer, its not Cobra its some unknown guy Cobra was jsut yelling at Wapol for taking it so lightly
that meeting would be like the President calling Texas and asking them to help find a criminal and texas saying no (assuming your right)
On September 24 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote: Everyone in the world of one piece is affected by the tenryuubito. Without them there might be local democratic leaders. They rule over everyone, so by definition everyone is affected by them.
like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
then what was the point of this meeting? why could Wapol refuse to help catch Dragon? why was Dalton saying that war could break out easily if there was a fight? why has the country of Wano been allowed independance?
none of that should be possible if the kingdoms are jsut states not seperate countries
Because Cobra was the one bringing up Dragon and Wapol is not forced to obey him as they have the same "rank" (monarch). Cobra has no authority in this meeting.
Dalton might be right, and if two WG-connected nations go to war, whoever wins and earns another nation will still be attending the reviere (supposedly) and both nations remains WG territory so i guess they dont care.
look closer, its not Cobra its some unknown guy Cobra was jsut yelling at Wapol for taking it so lightly
that meeting would be like the President calling Texas and asking them to help find a criminal and texas saying no (assuming your right)
Excactly, its just some unknown guy. why are you comparing him to the president of the US in your next sentance? he could just be like a secretary. i doubt he is a gorosei and he is obviously not wearing any astronaut suit. he might be another king like them who had suffered an attempt from dragon to start a revolution in his country and wanted to warn the others.
On September 24 2013 09:28 Forikorder wrote: [quote] like how the drum kingdom, and alabasta kingdom have no local leaders
They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
then what was the point of this meeting? why could Wapol refuse to help catch Dragon? why was Dalton saying that war could break out easily if there was a fight? why has the country of Wano been allowed independance?
none of that should be possible if the kingdoms are jsut states not seperate countries
Because Cobra was the one bringing up Dragon and Wapol is not forced to obey him as they have the same "rank" (monarch). Cobra has no authority in this meeting.
Dalton might be right, and if two WG-connected nations go to war, whoever wins and earns another nation will still be attending the reviere (supposedly) and both nations remains WG territory so i guess they dont care.
look closer, its not Cobra its some unknown guy Cobra was jsut yelling at Wapol for taking it so lightly
that meeting would be like the President calling Texas and asking them to help find a criminal and texas saying no (assuming your right)
Excactly, its just some unknown guy. why are you comparing him to the president of the US in your next sentance? he could just be like a secretary. i doubt he is a gorosei and he is obviously not wearing any astronaut suit. he might be another king like them who had suffered an attempt from dragon to start a revolution in his country and wanted to warn the others.
why would the meeting be in mariejoa if the WG hadnt called it? the WG would consider stopping dragon to be there number one priority yet Drum kingdom refuses to help
On September 24 2013 09:33 sc2holar wrote: [quote] They are tied to Mareijos and the WG. And i was talking about democraticly elected leaders. Not Leaders granted power by the world nobles. pretty big difference.
Cobra said his family was king for generations so unlikely that the WG decided who would be king (at any rate the populace seemed to think he was a great king)
and whoever now leads Drum kingdom probably wasnt appointed by the WG
Cobra is a Great King. but regardless, his family was at some point appointed to rule over alabasta by the WG. just like Wapol recently got a new kingdom from the world nobles.
what are you basing your assumption on the new king in drum kingdom on? a coinflip? its WG territory so most likely the monarch was appointed by the WG.
you realise thats entirely your assumption based on your opinion? theres no evidence that the WG controls the allied nations as far as weve seen the nations in the WG are just allies that promise to help each other out in times of trouble
We know that they are connected to the WG throught the Reviere. They are like states in the US, and Mareijos is like the White house. Except with monarchs instead of senators. And the Washington citizens cant go to New York and turn the Senator and the Mayors into slaves, marry their wifes and rape them in front of their eyes and then having them transported back to their mansion in DC as the new aquirements in their "Politician Collection", like the Tenryuubuto can do to local monarchs (it has been stated that they are equal to commoners for them).
What you said about the new DI king however is pure speculation and opinion so dont accuse me of something that you constantly do yourself (like when you said law+doffy had never existed outside doffys imagination)
then what was the point of this meeting? why could Wapol refuse to help catch Dragon? why was Dalton saying that war could break out easily if there was a fight? why has the country of Wano been allowed independance?
none of that should be possible if the kingdoms are jsut states not seperate countries
Because Cobra was the one bringing up Dragon and Wapol is not forced to obey him as they have the same "rank" (monarch). Cobra has no authority in this meeting.
Dalton might be right, and if two WG-connected nations go to war, whoever wins and earns another nation will still be attending the reviere (supposedly) and both nations remains WG territory so i guess they dont care.
look closer, its not Cobra its some unknown guy Cobra was jsut yelling at Wapol for taking it so lightly
that meeting would be like the President calling Texas and asking them to help find a criminal and texas saying no (assuming your right)
Excactly, its just some unknown guy. why are you comparing him to the president of the US in your next sentance? he could just be like a secretary. i doubt he is a gorosei and he is obviously not wearing any astronaut suit. he might be another king like them who had suffered an attempt from dragon to start a revolution in his country and wanted to warn the others.
why would the meeting be in mariejoa if the WG hadnt called it? the WG would consider stopping dragon to be there number one priority yet Drum kingdom refuses to help
But drum kingdom was always useless so who cares. and this was probably just an informative meeting regarding dragon, not a call to arms. nobody knows where he is anyways
On September 24 2013 08:56 Sableyeah wrote: Look... if there was a police that was all friends with a criminal (Smoker and Strawhats) we'd be out of our minds and now because we love Luffy the criminal doesn't mean corruptCop/goodguySmoker is on the same side.
I know Luffy hasn't done any thing bad but Pirates in general do steal and kill people. And Nami steals. Just because Heisenberg doesn't kill doesn't make his methcooking justifiable.
what has Luffy actually done that hurts people though? all hes done is travel to island after island accidently getting involved and then solving peoples problems
does he really count as a pirate at this point?
Yeah luffy is a pirate only in the symbolic sense. He only wanted to be a pirate to have freedom on the seas and be the pirate king. He actually doesn't do any pirate things like chase gold or harm any innocents.
which is exactly why theyd want every country on the lookout for him
its far from the most advanced medical science in the world. Perhaps it was when it was first introduced but as you know everything gets bigger, better and stronger the more time progresses in a shonen manga and every new place is ten times as dangerous as the last area. And Medical Science doesnt really help in any possible scenario regarding Dragon. Are they gonna fight him with with it or use it to find him better? i doubt it.
the country with the most advanced medical science is useless?
and this was probably just an informative meeting regarding dragon, not a call to arms.
no it was definently a call to arms which is why the dude stressed how much of a threat he was and Wapol mentioned how much he didnt care
nobody knows where he is anyways
which is exactly why theyd want every country on the lookout for him
its far from the most advanced medical science in the world. Perhaps it was when it was first introduced but as you know everything gets bigger, better and stronger the more time progresses in a shonen manga and every new place is ten times as dangerous as the last area. And Medical Science doesnt really help in any possible scenario regarding Dragon. Are they gonna fight him with with it or use it to find him better? i doubt it.
even when they got to Alabasta the doctor was practically pissing his pants being near a doctor from drum kingdom
you say there useless but if there useless they wouldnt be so advanced so there obviously not useless
ill say it again, if the WG actually had control over the countries then that meeting makes no sense, theyd just mail pictures of dragon to the leaders of the countries and say "kill this man on sight"
also on Alabasta the Poneglyph there had information about the super duper weapon the WG has been frantically trying to find, if the WG put the Nefeltari's in command why did they have information the WG would kill to get?
What are Wapol doing in a Call to arms against the most dangerous man in the world. Whats even cobra and vivi there for. they are small "fodder" countries in paradise. i guess you would get togheter the schichibukai and the admirals, tell them what you know, then gather some people from CP9 and try to get them to infiltrate the revolutionaries and climb the ranks to find out more. its like the gov never even tried with dragon :/
On September 24 2013 11:46 sc2holar wrote: What are Wapol doing in a Call to arms against the most dangerous man in the world. Whats even cobra and vivi there for. they are small "fodder" countries in paradise. i guess you would get togheter the schichibukai and the admirals, tell them what you know, then gather some people from CP9 and try to get them to infiltrate the revolutionaries and climb the ranks to find out more. its like the gov never even tried with dragon :/
taht makes no sense because A) you dont know that they havent tried infiltrating Dragons army and B) if your trying to find something that you dont know where is its best to look in as many palces as possible which is why they were trying to get all the countries on board and C) Dragon is marshalling an army theyd want to see how many countries are willing to stand against him so they know how much military they can expect in case of war
On September 24 2013 11:46 sc2holar wrote: What are Wapol doing in a Call to arms against the most dangerous man in the world. Whats even cobra and vivi there for. they are small "fodder" countries in paradise. i guess you would get togheter the schichibukai and the admirals, tell them what you know, then gather some people from CP9 and try to get them to infiltrate the revolutionaries and climb the ranks to find out more. its like the gov never even tried with dragon :/
I doubt that a revolutionary army like the one from Dragon isnt well informed. I mean technically they could of send Kuma to be part of the government to infiltrate them. Who knows what Dragon is planning. I really doubt that the government could get informants that easily into his higher up organization. Also dont you think he would know if the WG is gathering their admirals and shichibukai together to attack him. Who know if the shichibukai would even side with the WG, as they had a hard trouble fighting one of the yonko. If dragon is on par with the Yonko and i believe he is, then they would need everything to take him, and his organization down and who isnt to say that when they are done fighting one of the yonko would swoop in and take out the winner which by now would be worn down. So I think its actually very possible that the WG is just taking their time with catching Dragon.
why do you guys stress yourselves out and waste so much time arguing about a fictional story. just wait for the releases and see what happens. and from what ive seen in this whole thread, arguing against forik is a terrible idea. i swear he just comes into this thread to disagree with people and cause arguments
On September 24 2013 11:46 sc2holar wrote: What are Wapol doing in a Call to arms against the most dangerous man in the world. Whats even cobra and vivi there for. they are small "fodder" countries in paradise. i guess you would get togheter the schichibukai and the admirals, tell them what you know, then gather some people from CP9 and try to get them to infiltrate the revolutionaries and climb the ranks to find out more. its like the gov never even tried with dragon :/
taht makes no sense because A) you dont know that they havent tried infiltrating Dragons army and B) if your trying to find something that you dont know where is its best to look in as many palces as possible which is why they were trying to get all the countries on board and C) Dragon is marshalling an army theyd want to see how many countries are willing to stand against him so they know how much military they can expect in case of war
Classic Forik pattern of logic..:
A: Ask for hard evidence from others when it comes to their theories, or parts of the arc he doesnt want to believe, like DD+Law. but disregard every clue Oda has given us when pointed out to him because it doesnt "hold up" against his bias.
B: Feels free to make shit up himself, come up with assumptions or crazy theories (like DD beomg crazy and delusional and never having actually met law). twist around the order of events (ie Shanks holds off aikanu->the marines stop the war because that gave them one minute to think, instead of how it happened: Shanks forcing Sengoku to stop the war by bringing his crew between the retreating pirates and the marines and tells SG that if he wants a fight they are welcome to take on him instead of the retreating WB pirates, something the marines are not ready for yet) to suit your standpoint.
No need to send me more PMs everyone, i have gotten the hint. im not gonna take the bait again, and i will ignore the dude from now on. Thanks for all the support
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