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On September 24 2013 06:10 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:04 Raneth wrote:
Why is Forikorder still a member on this forum? I swear I only ever see him troll and bait people into warnings I agree with him in this particular discussion actually. I was referring particularly this time to "they had a second to think therefore stopped" "i think you mean shanks stopped them" "what do you think i meant by had time to think?" Just weird non-admittance of fault like we cant see what he wrote seconds before, it baffles me and if i was ever engaged in a conversation with him im sure i would end up with a warning aswell. Its just his manner of discussion being really obnoxious and baiting than that his content is always wrong
Yeah. It had more to do with the fact that Shanks shouted out "This pointless fighting is going to end up hurting you both for no gain. If you dont stop fighting each others, thousands of kids will lose their fathers and women lose their husbands.So if anyone of you want to Fight, WE WILL FIGHT YOU"
The Marines were not ready to deal with Blackbeard and another Yonkou crew at that point. The island was almost about to fall apart. So Sengoku was forced cave in and declare that the war was over.
The "they got a second to think and changed their minds" is such a far fetched conclusion.
Forik makes some occasional good points but his way of arguing with constant backtracking and selective use of logic is frustrating. like a few pages back:
>I write something regarding Law and DD and their mysterious prior companionship.
>Forik Demands proof of law and DD having a prior relationship
>I give him an example (DDs reactions do vergos call about SAD factory)
>Forik switches subject/focus, now trying to point out that i misread that particular series of events (even though it was irrelevant to the Law/DD discussion) but in fact just repeats exactly the way i retold it just more condensed.
>i point this out and remind him that he asked for proof and i gave him an example, and i point out that he was summarizing the PH events the same way i did except less details.
>Forik claims that he was just "pointing out that i wasnt pointing out something groundbreaking, everyone remembers that", or something. i still dont understand what he tried to hide behind.
>I point out that if he remembers this particular anecdote that contains all you need to understand that they have some kind of past relationship there was no need to ask for proof in the first place
>he backtracks to claiming that he meant proof that DD raised Law as a child, because people always claim that (?)
>I recite the original posts and point out that i never claimed that DD knew Law when he was a child, typically DD recruits promising rookies, and that Forik never asked for this kind of proof in the first place, he asked about them knowing each others in general.
>Forik leaves and comes back a few pages later, now claiming that there is no indication of DD and Law having met pre-timeskip whatsoever, apparently having already forgotten the Vergo anecdote that he made fun of for reciting because it was such an obvious thing that everyone remembers (because it was also the joker=doflamingo reveal i guess)
>Claims that DD (and vergo) just believes that they know law because they are crazy and wants him to join them
>I pull a reverse and ask for solid proof of DD and Vergo being that batshit crazy, but he doesnt comply nor seem to deem it necessary
This complete reversed logic is trademark Forik. Since he deems the evidence of DD and Law having known each others before, or Law being a part of DDs past sphere to be lacking, he jumps to the even less reasonable conclusion that everything that has to do with DD having known Law and his feelings of betrayal are in fact false and only exist in his imagination, because he is crazy. Despite this theory having absolutely no evidence, foreshadowing or hints through the entire series.
Im not sure if this is pure baiting or his actual beliefs, but from now on i dont think i will get into any debates with the guy.
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On September 24 2013 06:19 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:10 Raneth wrote:On September 24 2013 06:05 Zooper31 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:04 Raneth wrote:
Why is Forikorder still a member on this forum? I swear I only ever see him troll and bait people into warnings I agree with him in this particular discussion actually. I was referring particularly this time to "they had a second to think therefore stopped" "i think you mean shanks stopped them" "what do you think i meant by had time to think?" Just weird non-admittance of fault like we cant see what he wrote seconds before, it baffles me and if i was ever engaged in a conversation with him im sure i would end up with a warning aswell. Its just his manner of discussion being really obnoxious and baiting than that his content is always wrong Yeah. It has more to do with the fact that Shanks shouted out "This pointless fighting is going to end up hurting you both for no gain. If you dont stop fighting each others, thousands of kids will lose their fathers and women lose their husbands.So if anyone of you want to Fight, WE WILL FIGHT YOU" The Marines were not ready to deal with Blackbeard and another Yonkou crew at that point. The island was almost about to fall apart. So Sengoku was forced cave in and declare that the war was over.The "they got a second to think and changed their minds" is such a far fetched conclusion.
you can interpret it however you want but if Shanks had just joined in the battle it almost certainly would have continued
without causing a break in the fighting cooler heads would never prevail
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On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy
I fully expect the story's 'good' marines to rebel against the story's 'bad' marines at some point, with smoker/coby/aokiji going up against tenryuubito/akainu/loyalists
the marines as an organization are at most amoral, considering they do both good and bad deeds, according to where their interests lie (see garp saying he'll deal with rayleigh being in the human auctionhouse, instead of fighting against the greater evil, the auctionhouse itself - garp is definitely a good natured guy, right? but he still does nothing about this, hence amoral)
which is pretty much what the pirates do in one piece
the only difference is in who gets to frame the argument, which is the stronger, for the moment, side, the marines
hence DD is right on point with everything he said in that quote
hell, this is everywhere in one piece
good guy shanks says 'yeah, pirates do these things too' when buggy tells him pirates are all about killing and looting
luffy/zoro with the humorous 'why we don't want to be heroes' stuff in fishman island - they just wanna do what they want and that's it
luffy vs hannyabal, telling him he doesn't care about the world being better off without pirates - luffy's a good guy, right? but hannyabal is 100% correct in all he says right then, morally he's above luffy in that situation
it's gray all over, DD just announces it
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i doesnt matter whos stronger and whos weaker, there is still right and wrong no matter whos in charge
the only difference is how well its enforced
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Forikorder strikes again!
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the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p
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On September 24 2013 06:35 Taguchi wrote:
the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p
majority of the world remains safe because of the marines
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On September 24 2013 06:38 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:35 Taguchi wrote:
the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p majority of the world remains safe because of the marines
We still don't know too much details about the void period. Personally, the marines are just the victors of the two evils from an older time.
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On September 24 2013 06:46 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:38 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:35 Taguchi wrote:
the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p majority of the world remains safe because of the marines We still don't know too much details about the void period. Personally, the marines are just the victors of the two evils from an older time.
the Tenryuubito maybe, but the marines themselves have nothing to do with the void century
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On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy
I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine.
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On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine.
id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice
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On September 24 2013 06:38 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:35 Taguchi wrote:
the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p majority of the world remains safe because of the marines
...And live in societies like Goa Kingdom were non nobles-live in trash and are forced into crime to survive. Yeah the Marines are truly heroes for encorcing this dystopian fascist society.
If there is one good guy/faction in One Piece, its probably Dragon and his revolutionaries. He wants to create a world that creates opportunities for each and every individual to live a good life and reach the top. The Marines support a fascist caste-like society that where the main goal is to fulfill the wishes of the tenryuubuto.
If Dragon managed overthrow the gorosei and create a society that benefits more than the non-high nobles, aka the vast majority, less people would have to go into piracy.
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On September 24 2013 07:12 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:38 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:35 Taguchi wrote:
the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p majority of the world remains safe because of the marines ...And live in societies like Goa Kingdom were non nobles-live in trash and are forced into crime to survive. Yeah the Marines are truly heroes for encorcing this dystopian fascist society. If there is one good guy/faction in One Piece, its probably Dragon and his revolutionaries. He wants to create a world that creates opportunities for each and every individual to live a good life and reach the top. The Marines support a fascist caste-like society that where the main goal is to fulfill the wishes of the tenryuubuto. If Dragon managed overthrow the gorosei and create a society that benefits more than the non-high nobles, aka the vast majority, less people would have to go into piracy.
That is a good point, but... i don't know... i just don't trust dragon. He wants to be the savior of the world, but i think he has the potential to become a dictator.
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On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice
The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
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On September 24 2013 07:20 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that even though Sengoku nominated Aokiji as the next fleet admiral to Kong, Akainus absolute justice won thanks to overwhelming support within the organization. This says it all.
that only shows that the top is completely corupt im pretty sure fleet admiral was not decided based on a vote where every marine got to take part
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Where were the marines when don krieg randomly executed people, where were the marines when namis people were killed by arlong, where were the marines when alabasta was about to explode, there was only smoker and he was only there because of luffy.
All weve seen so far of the marines is they are not afraid to wipe out a whole island and its population(buster call on robins island, forgot the name), kill random people that they infiltrated to get a super weapon (cp9), and even nuke their own island (buster call on enies lobby). We havent actually seen any society, except on Shabaody Island-and there only because a noble got hit-, getting "protected".
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On September 24 2013 07:19 Arvediu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:12 sc2holar wrote:On September 24 2013 06:38 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:35 Taguchi wrote:
the world believes the marines to be the good guys and the pirates the bad guys
but the truth is they're, on the whole, much closer to neutral alignment (even though extremes exist, akainu/tenryuubito/kidd/big mom vs coby/smoker/luffy/shanks)
and yet, the marines get to wear a cloak with 'justice' written on its back
hence DD's quote being absolutely on point
ps. that's it from me, I realize all this will fly over forikorder's head but others can see the messages too :p majority of the world remains safe because of the marines ...And live in societies like Goa Kingdom were non nobles-live in trash and are forced into crime to survive. Yeah the Marines are truly heroes for encorcing this dystopian fascist society. If there is one good guy/faction in One Piece, its probably Dragon and his revolutionaries. He wants to create a world that creates opportunities for each and every individual to live a good life and reach the top. The Marines support a fascist caste-like society that where the main goal is to fulfill the wishes of the tenryuubuto. If Dragon managed overthrow the gorosei and create a society that benefits more than the non-high nobles, aka the vast majority, less people would have to go into piracy. That is a good point, but... i don't know... i just don't trust dragon. He wants to be the savior of the world, but i think he has the potential to become a dictator.
Even if thats true, i would rather see one dictator abusing his power but creating a slightly better world, than an entire capital city full of tenrybuutos riding around on human backs, killing innocents, kidnapping women to use as sex slaves even collecting specific types of people that they keep with specific drugs that renders them paralyzed.
even if dragon would do all this, having just one guy doing it is better than thousands (?)
but after watching him listen and react to sabos speech, you cant really doubt that he is noble through and through.
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On September 24 2013 07:27 Warri wrote:
Where were the marines when don krieg randomly executed people, where were the marines when namis people were killed by arlong, where were the marines when alabasta was about to explode, there was only smoker and he was only there because of luffy.
All weve seen so far of the marines is they are not afraid to wipe out a whole island and its population(buster call on robins island, forgot the name), kill random people that they infiltrated to get a super weapon (cp9), and even nuke their own island (buster call on enies lobby). We havent actually seen any society, except on Shabaody Island-and there only because a noble got hit-, getting "protected".
so what just because there not omnipotent there monsters?
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On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice
The fact that we have seen more moreal justice than absolute justice has nothing to do with which one is actually the most influencial within the Marines. It is true that we have seen more moral justice from important characters, but it is also true that most of the noteworthy Marines have been friendly towards Luffy and his crew. Smoker, Garp, Coby and even Aokiji have atleast not been hostile towards Luffy. So by your logic we can assume that the Marines and WG overall has a friendly/neutral attitude towards Luffy and his crew, simply because that is how most Marines so far has been portrayed.
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On September 24 2013 07:30 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:08 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 07:05 Prog455 wrote:On September 24 2013 06:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 24 2013 06:00 Taguchi wrote:
what the hell is so good and just about the marines?
they're the enforcers of the world government / tenryuubito, which makes them the right hand of racists/slavers/worst scum of the world we've seen so far (even kidd commented on that during the shabaody auctionhouse incident)
all the higher up marines know what's going on in mariejoa and I don't see them doing anything about it
WG/marines simply happen to be on top, they get to say what's good and what's not
hence DD saying that whoever wins here gets to define who's 'good' and who's 'evil'
this works in the real world too you know
it was pretty amusing/bewildering to see so many people (happily, there were many who understood what's up) celebrate the death of a human (osama bin laden) when they were the moral and just side
if they were truly moral they'd have made a simple announcement, explained why there wasn't any better solution, lament the need for the extremity of the measures and say they hoped they never had to do it again
but they celebrated
DD (oda) gets it just fine
btw, to avoid any misinterpretations, the real world is as gray as it gets compared to the black/white of the one piece world
there aren't any tenryuubito around here, thankfully your gonna try and tell me that Smoker is evil? just because the top brass in the WG are bad eggs doesnt mean the marines as a whole are rotten aside from the actions of the tenryuubito the marines keep everyone safe and happy I believe that it is a widely accepted fact that good-guy Marines such as Smoker, Garp and Aokiji is the exception rather than the rule. Absolute justice is the way of the Marine. id say weve seen less absolute justice then smoker justice The fact that we have seen more moreal justice than absolute justice has nothing to do with which one is actually the most influencial within the Marines. It is true that we have seen more moral justice from important characters, but it is also true that most of the noteworthy Marines have been friendly towards Luffy and his crew. Smoker, Garp, Coby and even Aokiji have atleast not been hostile towards Luffy. So by your logic we can assume that the Marines and WG overall has a friendly/neutral attitude towards Luffy and his crew, simply because that is how most Marines so far has been portrayed.
i wouldnt say right this second (anti-pirate bias and propaganda and uch) but i think majority of marines, given enough time spent with luffy, would be friendly/neutral towards him
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